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Kendra Bancroft
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11-19-2004 08:37
Welcome to Das Gildehaus.

Let's discuss operations, procedures and aesthetics of The Guild here :)




-- Gildemeister Kendra Bancroft.
a lost user
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11-19-2004 13:59
Just a suggestion but you may want to post all of your wonderful discriptions of a Guild here for a place to start. ;)
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-19-2004 14:04
From: Billy Grace
Just a suggestion but you may want to post all of your wonderful discriptions of a Guild here for a place to start. ;)


Expect that to appear this weekend
Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-21-2004 23:47
Kendra,

There have been some discussions in the Constitution thread concerning whether or not someone should be allowed in multiple branches. I believe that we all agreed that the Representative and Philosophic branches would remain completely separate. However, that leads to an overlap between the Artisanal and the other two branches.

I was curious what the hierarchy of the Guild will look like and if it will be possible to have a part of the group which is excluded from decision-making roles.

For instance, right now I'm in charge of the vendor and server and have 49% of the sales (you have 51%). Given that I'm in the Philosophic branch, is there a way I can be compartmentalized in the Guild to prevent conflicts of interest while still being able to contribute as an artisan?

~Ulrika~
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-22-2004 04:39
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Kendra,

There have been some discussions in the Constitution thread concerning whether or not someone should be allowed in multiple branches. I believe that we all agreed that the Representative and Philosophic branches would remain completely separate. However, that leads to an overlap between the Artisanal and the other two branches.

I was curious what the hierarchy of the Guild will look like and if it will be possible to have a part of the group which is excluded from decision-making roles.

For instance, right now I'm in charge of the vendor and server and have 49% of the sales (you have 51%). Given that I'm in the Philosophic branch, is there a way I can be compartmentalized in the Guild to prevent conflicts of interest while still being able to contribute as an artisan?

~Ulrika~


Excellent question. I'll have to work on that one.
Satchmo Prototype
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11-22-2004 05:17
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Given that I'm in the Philosophic branch, is there a way I can be compartmentalized in the Guild to prevent conflicts of interest while still being able to contribute as an artisan?

~Ulrika~


Why not remain a journeymen?
Kendra Bancroft
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11-22-2004 06:07
From: Satchmo Prototype
Why not remain a journeymen?


She could --but it would limit her ability to open her own shop -- plus I'm not sure I want to exclude someone of meister status from being a voice in the Artisinal Branch.

I'm toying with the idea of having the Gildemeister as the sole representative for the voice of the Artisinal Branch --with votes to be taken internally within Das Gildehaus to give voice to the Gildemeister.

What that would mean is that while Ulrika could indeed be a meister in Die Gilde --she could not (as long as she is on the Philosophical Branch) serve as Gildemeister.

thoughts?
Kendra Bancroft
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Join date: 17 Jun 2004
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11-22-2004 06:31
Current Guild projekts under works:

Church Pipe Organ
Christmas Snowglobe
Bavarian Smoking Pipe
Beer Kegs
Nutcrackers
Racing Balls

Currently seeking teams for the following builds:

Rathaus
Meisterstrunk Clock
Schloss


Current members of The Guild

Kendra Bancroft: Gildemeister
Ulrika Zugzwang: Meister
Bladedancer Pendragon: Meister
Ursula Zapata: Meister
Rose Karuna: Meister
Chandra Page: Journeyman
Kenny Jackson: Journeyman
Satchmo Prototype: Journeyman

anyone wishing to build, code, script, throw events or other artisinal projects please post here to join the Guild.

You will enter as an apprentice, and upon succesful completion of your first project be given journeyman status.


I am currently working on a document which explains in detail the workings of Das Gildehaus --expect to see that tonight.
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11-22-2004 10:11
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Kendra,

There have been some discussions in the Constitution thread concerning whether or not someone should be allowed in multiple branches. I believe that we all agreed that the Representative and Philosophic branches would remain completely separate. However, that leads to an overlap between the Artisanal and the other two branches.


I for one do not agree with any overlap and if I am not mistaken and without painstakingly going back through all of these posts there was at least one other that agreed. I fail to see any reason why this is a good idea. It gives one person too much power in my opinion.

I would like to know the reasoning behind wanting to do this if you don't mind.
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-22-2004 10:18
From: Billy Grace
I for one do not agree with any overlap and if I am not mistaken and without painstakingly going back through all of these posts there was at least one other that agreed. I fail to see any reason why this is a good idea. It gives one person too much power in my opinion.

I would like to know the reasoning behind wanting to do this if you don't mind.


Uhm --I just outlined a possible method to prevent the overlap between The Artisinal Branch and any other Branch -- Dod u bother to read my post? Am I just typing into thin air?

I'll state it again -- I suggest that the Gildemeister represent The Artisinal Branch in government -- it is up to the Gildemieister to adequately express the voice of the Guild by means of votes WITHIN The Guild. This allows for productive members of society to produce goods and join other bodies of the government if they so choose. The Gildemeister is not allowed to belong to any other Branch.
Pendari Lorentz
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Join date: 5 Sep 2003
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11-22-2004 10:22
From: Kendra Bancroft
I'll state it again -- I suggest that the Gildemeister represent The Artisinal Branch in government -- it is up to the Gildemieister to adequately express the voice of the Guild by means of votes WITHIN The Guild. This allows for productive members of society to produce goods and join other bodies of the government if they so choose. The Gildemeister is not allowed to belong to any other Branch.


I actually like this idea. I would love to create from time to time for the projekt, but I am also very interested in being involved in the Representative Branch (if elected). I would not want to have a voice twice, but would hate to not be able to create for the time that I am involved with the RB. This solution does keep that from happening I think.

One question, and forgive me if I have just overlooked it. Will the Gildemeister be a changing position? Meaning will there always just be the same Gildemeister or is there some type of election or appointment to this position?
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Catfart Grayson
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11-22-2004 10:35
Evening,

Yes I know the answer is probably somewhere in the masses of posts about the constitution etc, but getting a straight answer out of some of you is like, well, like getting a straight answer out of a politition.

So, simple answers please;

If I intend to create objects to be sold via the city's vendor system, do I have to join the Gildehaus?

Thanks in advance.
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-22-2004 10:45
From: Catfart Grayson
Evening,

Yes I know the answer is probably somewhere in the masses of posts about the constitution etc, but getting a straight answer out of some of you is like, well, like getting a straight answer out of a politition.

So, simple answers please;

If I intend to create objects to be sold via the city's vendor system, do I have to join the Gildehaus?

Thanks in advance.


yes.
Satchmo Prototype
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11-22-2004 10:51
From: Kendra Bancroft

Meisterstrunk Clock


Kenny and I are working on a Coo Coo Clock. I'd be happy to apply the functional elements of the clock to a Meisterstrunk Clock.

There is already a tower in the city with a non-functioning clock. Is that where the Meisterstrunk Clock is?
Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
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11-22-2004 10:56
From: Catfart Grayson
If I intend to create objects to be sold via the city's vendor system, do I have to join the Gildehaus?
I just wanted to say that Kendra and I would love to work with talented people who want to make world-class products. If you think about it, there are very few organizations in SL which bind together large groups of talented artisans successfully. If we stay focused, in time we could be the creators of a line of vehicles superior to those made by Beckett Motor Works. In time we could be the creators of clothing which is on par with Nephalaine Protagonist. In time we could be creators of airships that rival those of Cubey Terra. Think big. Think the best.

~Ulrika~
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-22-2004 11:00
From: Pendari Lorentz
I actually like this idea. I would love to create from time to time for the projekt, but I am also very interested in being involved in the Representative Branch (if elected). I would not want to have a voice twice, but would hate to not be able to create for the time that I am involved with the RB. This solution does keep that from happening I think.

One question, and forgive me if I have just overlooked it. Will the Gildemeister be a changing position? Meaning will there always just be the same Gildemeister or is there some type of election or appointment to this position?


The Gildemeister is up for re-selection on a quarterly basis -- based on sales, quality of work, seniority --and a 2/3 consensus of the Meisters.
Kendra Bancroft
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11-22-2004 11:05
From: Satchmo Prototype
Kenny and I are working on a Coo Coo Clock. I'd be happy to apply the functional elements of the clock to a Meisterstrunk Clock.

There is already a tower in the city with a non-functioning clock. Is that where the Meisterstrunk Clock is?


Actually, Satchmo --Kenny, you and I are working on the cuckoo clock build (I'll be doing the textures) and then we'll be using Eggy Lippman's clock script. I'm assuming you are doing the actual bird.

Oh -no --thatis just a simple tower waiting for me to use with Eggy's script. The Meisterstrunk is wayyyyy more complicated and will require automatons coming out of the building and striking glockenspiels.

I do, however, need someone to build the Clock and Tower as well as the figures that come out on the hour.
Catfart Grayson
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Thank you
11-22-2004 11:12
From: Kendra Bancroft
yes.


In that case, please take this post as my request to join the Gildehaus.

Currently I'm working on a steam powered sleigh, which I would like to use as my apprentice piece.
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Pendari Lorentz
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11-22-2004 11:12
From: Kendra Bancroft
The Gildemeister is up for re-selection on a quarterly basis -- based on sales, quality of work, seniority --and a 2/3 consensus of the Meisters.


Great! Thank you for the clarification Kendra! :)

I suppose I should also formally state that I am very interested in being a part of the Guild. Perhaps only ever going as high as journeyman (not certain - mainly due to the fact that I am interested in the politics aspect of the city as well). But I would love to help where I can. I mostly deal in simple clothing (I've actually been working on some winter clothing that I think would be great for the weather in Neualtenburg), and low prim furniture and accessories. I am satisfied with my building skills on a personal level, but I am no where near as talented or skilled as most who have been building in the city thus far. I am happy to do grunt work where needed though. Searching for and creating textures (which I enjoy doing), cleaning up the snow drifts in the buildings, hehe.. Creating some low prim furniture for those who want to have homes in the city, etc. I also enjoy hosting events (and recently was an event coordinator for a sim that unfortunatly had to shut down due to no fault of the sim - simply RL issues), though I am short on time this week and will be off an on during Decemeber (due to the holidays).

Just let me know if there is anything else you need from me for guild consideration. :)
Kendra Bancroft
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11-22-2004 11:23
From: Pendari Lorentz
Great! Thank you for the clarification Kendra! :)

I suppose I should also formally state that I am very interested in being a part of the Guild. Perhaps only ever going as high as journeyman (not certain - mainly due to the fact that I am interested in the politics aspect of the city as well). But I would love to help where I can. I mostly deal in simple clothing (I've actually been working on some winter clothing that I think would be great for the weather in Neualtenburg), and low prim furniture and accessories. I am satisfied with my building skills on a personal level, but I am no where near as talented or skilled as most who have been building in the city thus far. I am happy to do grunt work where needed though. Searching for and creating textures (which I enjoy doing), cleaning up the snow drifts in the buildings, hehe.. Creating some low prim furniture for those who want to have homes in the city, etc. I also enjoy hosting events (and recently was an event coordinator for a sim that unfortunatly had to shut down due to no fault of the sim - simply RL issues), though I am short on time this week and will be off an on during Decemeber (due to the holidays).

Just let me know if there is anything else you need from me for guild consideration. :)


Consider yourself in!

You'll start as an apprentice. Pick a project to work on with another member of the Guild (Not another apprentice though). If you complete the project to the satisfaction of The Gildemeister (me) it goes into the vendor for sale -- and you become a journeyman with the ability to set up your own shop to sell works you have collaborated on with other members.

In order to sell "auteur" works you need to be a Meister.
A Meister does not need approval of The Gildemeister to sell goods --and does not need to collaborate, although the Guild frowns upon non-collaborative effort.

The idea is for the artists and artisans to support each other, make beautiful things together, plan and throw events for the betterment of the city, and get filthy stinkin' rich in the process ;)
Kendra Bancroft
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11-22-2004 11:24
From: Catfart Grayson
In that case, please take this post as my request to join the Gildehaus.

Currently I'm working on a steam powered sleigh, which I would like to use as my apprentice piece.


sounds exciting --if no one is working with you on that --I'd be happy to help with it myself :)
Catfart Grayson
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Sounds good to me
11-22-2004 11:28
Thanks for your offer which I shall take up. I will send you the prototype in game.
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Pendari Lorentz
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11-22-2004 11:51
Great Kendra! It sounds wonderful and a great way to handle the guild! :)

I should have included in my original post: If for some reason it is decided in our laws or constitution that I could not be a member of the Guild and still hold a position in one of the other branches (namely the RB), then I would like to be able to step down from the guild in order to serve in the other branch. If this were to happen, would I need to start over from apprentice status if I returned to the guild after serving a term? Would I even be allowed to reapply if I needed to step down due to this provision in our Law or Consititution?

So I suppose really me belonging to the guild does hinder on if the following proposal is accepted: "....the Gildemeister represent The Artisinal Branch in government -- it is up to the Gildemieister to adequately express the voice of the Guild by means of votes WITHIN The Guild. This allows for productive members of society to produce goods and join other bodies of the government if they so choose. The Gildemeister is not allowed to belong to any other Branch."

Or on if I can join and step down and return if the above proposal is not accepted.
Kendra Bancroft
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11-22-2004 11:55
From: Pendari Lorentz
Great Kendra! It sounds wonderful and a great way to handle the guild! :)

I should have included in my original post: If for some reason it is decided in our laws or constitution that I could not be a member of the Guild and still hold a position in one of the other branches (namely the RB), then I would like to be able to step down from the guild in order to serve in the other branch. If this were to happen, would I need to start over from apprentice status if I returned to the guild after serving a term? Would I even be allowed to reapply if I needed to step down due to this provision in our Law or Consititution?

So I suppose really me belonging to the guild does hinder on if the following proposal is accepted: "....the Gildemeister represent The Artisinal Branch in government -- it is up to the Gildemieister to adequately express the voice of the Guild by means of votes WITHIN The Guild. This allows for productive members of society to produce goods and join other bodies of the government if they so choose. The Gildemeister is not allowed to belong to any other Branch."

Or on if I can join and step down and return if the above proposal is not accepted.


If you left the Guild due to an obligation either IW or RW --you could just come back at any time at the level you left at, but at the bottom rung of that level's seniority pool.

Frankly, I can't see anytime where someone of Journeyman status would ever be in a conflict of interest position --so worstcase scenario is you'ld have to remain a journeyman.
Pendari Lorentz
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11-22-2004 12:03
Thank you for your help Kendra! :) I know you stated above that you are "currently working on a document which explains in detail the workings of Das Gildehaus", so I'll try to hold back any other questions till you have that posted. No sense in you having to repeat yourself a million times. :)
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