*scratches her head a little* Why does everyone care all of a sudden?

If you want to be constrtive that notes from the people who figh this stuff on the internet as a whole. talk to people, Trap them, make them think you are realy younger, and have them try to meet with you RL. Or make them think you are one of them and share ther RL experince and then get it to a DA. I am sure that LL will be more than willing to give IP numbers of anyone at the request of a DA. And I am sure that 99% of the people of SL will say they broke the law and there privacy deserves to be broken.

But honestly the Age Play boards, websites, chatrooms and what not are not what they look for, and I am sure they have been doing it a lot longer than you. and Yes I am sure they have had people keep tabs and partisipate in those venues at various points in time, but they never Attack them.

To follow up on that argument you would consent to drug trafficking and maybe murder as well if it happens in private homes?

Yes, these would be RL incidents, but the case is similar - there is a line where the sanctity of a private home should end.

1 There are no Childen in SL (Everone should be over 18 even if we know diffrent it is a Asumption that must be made or nothing sexual can ever be done any time any where, also Children would not play children in SL, they play adults)

2 Offensive is offensive to use to justify anything. Don't look, you can look up something comepletly inocent on google and come up with sex sites it is part of the masssive amounts of information.

3 Or it might prevent it from happening, Honestly I don't think pedo's will use SL becuse it is all adults. My space, and live Journal and such are such bigger and better targets.

4 Almost everything is Illegal in Some area. It should be your resposiblity to avoid those situations (One of the only Good excuses for advertiseing, to warn peopel)

5 No One has said anythign about the RL picture aspect I think 99% of Sl agrees with that.

6 Is hard to argue for no other reason that it is a opionon,

7 Pedofile want real children. Any ageplayer would gladly report anyone who tryied to take the fantasy to a reality. Other than that Pedo's seach for eachother anywhere, And get to meet each other for Private IM's talking about things Like the newest disnay movie, and places where they are unlikey to find a adult of diffrent mind.

8 the only RL threat to SL is the RL pics. and everyone should agree that those are wrong.

9 Pedo's are paranoid. and in this day in age they are going threw even more hopes to keep people away from them. Yes they could use anything to connect, but they are more likely to use more open and less idenifying methods of comunication than SL.

10 emotion should have not place in logic, law, or science. And Yes I probly have been to emotional to something that should be done logicly. I tried logic and it was not responded too. So maybe emotion dose win in the end.

Just remember I am sure there is something you do that someone would consider imoral, and if I hear about it I will come to protest for you as well. Becuse no one should be with out a voice, and all should be free to express them selves in no destructive way.

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Yo, ho, haul together,
hoist the Colors high…
Heave ho, thieves and beggars,
never say we die.
Freedom is for Everyone.

If you can find a way to trafic drugs with out leaveing your house (the whole suply train from Creation till it has left your system) or doing any damage to the peopel around you, then let us know you secret It could be usefull for other things like the energy consern.

To murder means that someone is hurt and always beyond the scope of your home.

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Yo, ho, haul together,
hoist the Colors high…
Heave ho, thieves and beggars,
never say we die.
Freedom is for Everyone.
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/full-reign-of-self-expression-for-consenting-adults-in-second-life.html

My problem is this - why would an adult want to have sex with another adult playing a 6 year old if they don't have paedophile tendencies? And I don't understand the possibly female child avs participating in this. I am not talking about people wearing school uniforms with pigtails here.

By the way, I guess you all know that LL keeps a record of all chat and IMs in world?

Because they are sick people thats why, point blank. They need mental help. They like to sugar coat it but it all comes down to the same thing. Your right though, SL does keep a record of everything thank god. I only hope the FBI takes notice of this crap and starts to keep a sharp eye on some of these people. Scary minds out there walking free these days.

Given that there is no age setting in SL, how do you distinguish between a 5'1 adult female avatar dressed up in a sexy schoolgirl outfit (i.e. in fancy dress), and a child schoolgirl avatar?

Could a picture of the former out of context get you banned by being mistaken for the latter?

See you will not get a straight answer on the fact. They just continue to beat around the bush and sugar coat it.

The question seemed straight forward to me... Why would an adult want to do that?

Voodoo,

I don't know why someone would want to RP sex with someone pretending to be a six year old. It isn't something I would personally condone. On the other hand, I would far prefer someone to RP sex with an adult pretending to be a six year old, than for them to have RL sex with a RL six year old.

However, I can see why someone would what to RP sex with someone pretending to be a 16 year old, or with an adult dressed as a schoolgirl - however in SL would a bystander be able to tell the difference between all three? Could someone doing one of the latter two be ARed because it looked like they were doing the former?

In my opinion…children are children and should NOT EVER be sexualized for the pleasure of adults even if it’s just a child form when it’s really an adult.

What ever two adults do is between them not involving kid avs is mostly ok i think in SL at least. Adults are sexual, the adult form is meant to be sexual so you can have sex make babies. It’s what we’re designed to do. What I’m against is bundling up BSM and just purely kinky stuff saying we will make this SL 'safe'. Didn’t they ban age play ages ago anyway?

To be honest Matthew I don't know.

No your right it would be hard to tell. I agree with you there and I fully understand that part of what you are saying. I guess my point is you have to draw the line someplace. I guess none of us know where that line currently is. I have four children and to think there is people walking around free that have minds like that scare the hell out of me though. I would rather have major restrictions then none at all. Alot of people in here say the same thing over and over... Its roleplay. Sorry but I don't buy that. It may start out that way but this must be something they want in the long run. The sad part it they think its perfectly normal. There is nothing normal about acting like children and having sex... there is nothing normal about pretending to rape or be raped.... none of these things are normal in any way shape or form.

My neice was physically abused by a male friend of the family. He was charming and funny and kind to the children. Everyone liked him, he worked with children in a club of some sort.

It took my neice a year to feel able to tell her parents, who went to the police but the child would not give evidence, too scared. However, he is now on the police list.

I have zero tolerance with these people whether its a mental illness or not. They should not be allowed to ruin people's lives; not just the child but the whole family.

This is why I find it hard to believe that people who rp this in SL are not paedophiles, or potentially so.

There is enough sex of all kinds in SL to satisfy everyone surely.

That's a different issue - there have been plenty of surveys indicating that 10%-13% of women fantasize about being "raped". and some of those will RP that even in RL.

Of course they aren't really RPing "rape" because it is all consensual, so it can't be rape by definition, what they are RPing is a sexual encounter where the woman gives up control (although in a safe environment where both sides can in fact end it at any time) - the majority of those who do have "rape" fantasies would not want to be really raped.

Alot of sexual ageplayers in world are abuse survivors who have never harmed a child in their real life ever and have no intention of ever doing so. So, you see my friend, the people you are trying to protect are the same types of people you are attacking. Thats something you might wanna think about.

I will think about it Erruh but its difficult to understand why, if they were abused, they would want to re-enact that.

The issue for me is what they are visualising/internalising when they do RP this - are they visualising having sex with a real six year old, or are they visualising having sex with an adult dressed as a six year old.

The first *is* disturbing, the second may not be *my* cup of tea but is, IMHO, just kinky.

I don't think these two, IMHO very different scenarios, are properly differentiated either within SL or in these discussions.

That's my position on it too, alhough I lump using child avatar's in the *disturbing* category. The second I agree with you, to me it's not my cup of tea, just kinky.

I also agree that they are two very different scenarios and people aren't appreciating the difference. To be fair many are probably a bit worried about googling more information regarding such a controversial subject.

At the end of the day it's as simple as this.

Some people are unable to handle the freedom of expression that exists in SL.

All judgement is subjective and based on what you think should be 'right' or 'wrong'.

People do have problems, this is true. There is no way you can tell apart the kinds of individuals being portrayed here though as it comes down to intent.

I'm not into the age play scene but I know enough about people to recognise self-righteous indignation when I see it.

The irony is that many of the knee-jerk reactions we're seeing here come as the result of mental instability and fear. We even have people in this thread whose statement of intent has been to offend others who engage in this form of roleplay.

If you're calm and balanced you can see who the real people with issues are. ; )

Perhaps true.. but the web doesn't provide anwhere near the same interactive possibilities that SL does, nor does its content exist as a single, global database. A kiddyporn site exists in relative obscurity on the web, probabaly a single server running on a DSL connection in someone's bedroom. Once found, discovery is a pretty simple task - confiscate computer hardware from the residence.

Considering a worst case scenario in Second Life, where the avatar pixel humping is accompanied by circulation of real life kiddyporn images, discovery could become akin to searching for a needle in a haystack. SQL queries can't recognize images, they can only look at database tables and rows. Once uploaded, these images will likely linger in the data store for years, and technically, Linden Lab is the possessor. There's alot more at stake here than on the web.

One last thought - If Linden Lab and the community aren't pro-active on this issue, it's a perpetual problem, not a "moment in time".

If Linden Labs were really concerned they could put bounties out on this sort of stuff ; )

Nevermind SQL.

I've been reading this thread with great interest.

Seems a lot of people get really emotional about this subject.
But what is the question really?
Are sexual ageplayers paedophiles even though they know their partner isn't a child but a grownup?
If a sexual ageplayer is a paedophile would playing in SL tempt him or her to take their fantasies to real life?
Until now i haven't read any proof of that. And i doubt seriously anyone is going to be able to provide real proof either.
I think it is quite clear that most people don't approve of real life paedophilia.
It is disturbing that trying to bring any subtlety into this discussion leads to accusations of having peadophile tendencies. That brings the discussion to a level where people don't even try to reason anymore.
A discussion is about arguments, not about emotions even though i can understand people being so horrified by the idea of a child in real life being abused that they can't control their emotions anymore and start bashing anyone who doesn't start their post by stating that they truly, utterly, unquestionably despise child abusers.
Personally i think that people are innocent until proven guilty. And so far noone has proven to me that sexual ageplayers are paedophiles,nor that anyone who has engaged in sexual ageplaying acts has taken their sl fantasies to real life.
Speculations of the influence of second life on real life just aren't good enough. Not for me at least.

Is a wife who dresses up as a schoolgirl encouraging her husband to be a pedophile?

Does fantasizing about being back in high school and having sex with the homecoming queen who always turned you down show pedophile tendencies?

Does enjoying reading the novels Lolita and Candy a cause for concern?

Is the statue of the naked boy in Copenhagen harbor kiddie porn?


True pedophilia is evil. What is happening on SL is not pedophilia but a media-fueled moral panic. People need to learn the difference.

This forum isn't for general discussion; there are many Resident Sites where this discussion is appropriate — Resident Answers is for Resident-to-Resident help. I'll close this thread...