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Peggy Paperdoll
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06-02-2007 17:20
Thank you Zap.
 You know I disagree with you on many subjects but you also know I enjoy your arguments. They actually help me to solidify my own thoughts. Your assertion that it's the fringe elements is very true...........and a thought I've been trying to put in words and type here. We don't need those elements in our lives............and, in my opinion, they should be removed. Rational diversions from the norm are good. Thanks. |
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errUh Oh
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06-02-2007 17:35
"I never ask for it to be ok with you, Just leave me alone and let me live my life the way I want to till I do something that hurts someone (and prove that I have hurt someone)"
No kidding. Why is this such a foreign concept to so many nosey rude overbearing jackoffs who think they are entitled to tell other people what thoughts they are allowed to project on their own private property? Some people have mistaken me for someone who cares what you think and what you approve of. I live by my own moral compass. Im not a mindless sheep. I can form my own thoughts by myself without your help. Maybe you should open your eyes and try thinking for yourself sometime instead of going rabid foaming at the mouth about things you dont even understand beyond the fact that they disturb you. ZOMBIES. "Where I have a problem is with child avatars, to me that's paedophillia. Two adults with adult avatar's, engaging in ageplay, is not paedophillia. When you bring a child avatar into it, it's not an ageplay issue, it's a paedophile fantasy. " I beg your pardon but how do you know its a pedo fantasy. Maybe they enjoy the contrast of avatar sizes which reaffirms the power exchange. Maybe you could have the same affect if you humped a chicken or a teapot or a pie anything else unable to defend itself. You cant tell every male in sl to stop calling his girlfriend "baby" You cant control Lolita personalities because thats a natural part of character for some women. You dont even know what youre talking about but thats ok Freak out some more. |
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
Join date: 1 Oct 2006
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06-02-2007 17:36
Thank you Zap. You know I disagree with you on many subjects but you also know I enjoy your arguments. They actually help me to solidify my own thoughts. Your assertion that it's the fringe elements is very true...........and a thought I've been trying to put in words and type here. We don't need those elements in our lives............and, in my opinion, they should be removed. Rational diversions from the norm are good. Thanks. But as you remove fringe, what is to keep the new fringe from being removed in a week, a month, or a year? Someone is always on the fringe. |
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Peggy Paperdoll
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06-02-2007 17:56
And mincing of words will always be present too. Get a grip. Yes there will always be "fringe" elements. But the fringe will be tolorated and accepted when that "fringe" is closer to the middle.
I love it when someone makes statements like that. So easily seen through. You know as well as I know that your fantasies are not going to be banned as long as those fantasies are anywhere near the norm for a civilized society. Childsex is nowhere near the norm of any civilized society..........and you know it. Argue on............it's getting really funny. |
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Zaphod Kotobide
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06-02-2007 17:57
That perhaps is the slippery slope people are subconsciously referring to. I won't speak for peggy, but since I brought up the idea, I'll just say that it exists, it is exerting pressure, and it is what is driving these various issues. It's a difficult issue to solve at the community level especially. If it were all business, it'd be easy.
But as you remove fringe, what is to keep the new fringe from being removed in a week, a month, or a year? Someone is always on the fringe. _____________________
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errUh Oh
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06-02-2007 18:01
well ok lets put it this way. If all the people who are participating in sexual ageplay are real life pedos then your response is completely inappropriate. Smiling and acting superior to people you think have a mental disorder is really obnoxious and sleezy. I personally think you are FULL OF IT and they arent pedos at all. But you are definately showing your true colors.
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Peggy Paperdoll
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06-02-2007 18:03
well ok lets put it this way. If all the people who are participating in sexual ageplay are real life pedos then your response is completely inappropriate. Smiling and acting superior to people you think have a mental disorder is really obnoxious and sleezy. I personally think you are FULL OF IT and they arent pedos at all. But you are definately showing your true colors. It just takes one.........only one. I'm not willing to take that chance....but I guess you are. |
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Zaphod Kotobide
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06-02-2007 18:03
errUh, this thread is very fast paced.. use the "quote" button when replying, so we know to whom you're replying.
well ok lets put it this way. If all the people who are participating in sexual ageplay are real life pedos then your response is completely inappropriate. Smiling and acting superior to people you think have a mental disorder is really obnoxious and sleezy. I personally think you are FULL OF IT and they arent pedos at all. But you are definately showing your true colors. _____________________
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Peggy Paperdoll
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06-02-2007 18:04
I think he was talking to me..........I've been the obnoxious one.
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VooDoo Bamboo
www.voodoodesignsllc.com
Join date: 4 Oct 2006
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06-02-2007 18:05
So, there are these people in secondlife. And they enjoy what they do. However, some people don't feel that the fact people have the right to do what they want to is a good thing. Why do people even care that people participate in pseudo pedophilia acts(Just to clarify, Ageplay is the act of putting on a different age. You can be young, or old. Pseudo pedophilia is the act of sex with someone playing as a child, but is really a consenting adult) ? They're acting like it's any of their business what residents halfway across the grid do. And, because of their ignorance, people's right to free speech in SL is becoming a little less free. At any rate, i better ask this before this turns into a rant: If you're against Pseudo pedophilia (let's keep in mind that they're not actually raping anyone, and that nobody is a child in this case), Why? Don't tell me: "It's illegal." -- Yes, pedophilia might be illegal in real life. But dressing up as a child and having sex is -not-. Furthermore, there are plenty of other illegal things in SL that people have little problem against. "It's Gross!" -- So? nobody is FORCING you to watch it. Stay away from these places if you feel it's so gross. "It's dangerous!" -- In what way? Wouldn't giving pedophiles SOME sort of a release prevent actual raping of children in RL? At any rate, let us debate this LOGICALLY and RHETORICALLY. ****Make your claim, and back it up. **** Stay away from Argumentum ad Hominem, or Argumentum ad baculum. This is a debate to find answer in the ways of the human mind, not a mud slinging contest. Are you fricking kidding me! PLEASE post your address someplace so the local police in your area can keep a close eye on you. ANYTHING....READ MY WORDS...ANYTHING DEALING WITH CHILDREN IS SICK, PERVERTED, AND REQUIRES A SICK MIND TO DO SUCH THINGS. I don't care if you acting or however you want to sugar coat it. |
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Zaphod Kotobide
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06-02-2007 18:08
I wasn't concerned much about who it was directed toward, just that it's clear. Lightning fast threads like this get disjointed very quickly.
*off to attend a vegetable stirfry* I think he was talking to me..........I've been the obnoxious one. Not you. _____________________
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Bree Giffen
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Join date: 22 Jun 2006
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06-02-2007 18:10
Here's a small part of an article I read on the differences between a 'pedophile' and a 'fantasy user'. I'm no expert on these things but I kind of agree with what the doctor wrote. Please feel free to read it in full.
It's found at -http://www.netaddiction.com/articles/articles.htm under the legal articles and is titled: "Virtual Sex Offenders: Profiling Cybersex Addiction and True Online Pedophilia" Here's an html version link: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:pOXNRdU-FPEJ:www.netaddiction.com/articles/eia_pedophilia_profile.pdf [this BBCODE is a POS, well go figure out how to read the html version thru google] [quote] Profiling Online Pedophilia from Fantasy Users In order to differentiate pedophilia from “fantasy users”,one should observe the behavior within the context of three key components, (1) the chat channel theme, (2) handles utilized, and (3) the level of intimacy and engagement between the alleged predator and child. The chat channel theme utilized by an online user is indicative of his or her intent. Pedophiles tend to frequent chat rooms designated exclusively for children and adolescents (e.g., Pokeman, Kidsusa) and often pose as younger children themselves through the use of descriptive handles such as “John12” or “C laire10”. They pretend to younger in order to gain trust and acceptance from other children in the room. Pedophiles groom children through inform ation abouta child‟s favorite music, hobbies, and interests and often agree to enjoy the same interests in order to establish an intimate relationship with the child. As trust is further established, a pedophile will slowly reveal his (or her) true identity, often making statements such as “I w illbe your special friend”. Their goal is to visit where actual children tend to frequent online, then establish a bond and slowly encourage the child to meet in real life. In comparison, fantasy users often meet in adult chat channels with nam es like “incestroom ”, “dad& daughtersex” or “olderm an4ynggrl”. These rooms clearly specify that participation in the room is limited to those over the age of eighteen and that in-room discussions are for fantasy only. While pedophiles may frequent these rooms, they typically look for others to trade in child pornography not to meet young children. Pedophiles learn as mentioned above that the main types of “children” in these room s are in reality “of-age” w om en or m en,for w hich they have little interest. This is not to say that in some instances, actual teenagers may experiment inside these types of adult chat rooms and that is certainly a concern both for parents and law enforcement agencies. While pedophiles initially disguise their true identity, fantasy users often reveal their true identity such as age, appearance, and employment status, and possibly posting an electronic picture of oneself for others users to see. In some cases,fantasy users ask for the person‟s measurements, ask to see a picture, or ask if they have a webcam within the first few seconds of their virtual meeting. Such blunt discourse suggest that fantasy users believe that they are talking with another adult, as this type of online behavior would scare away a child or teenager. In comparison to pedophiles who try to establish a close, intimate, and special bond with a child, fantasy users appear indifferent towards their online relationships and often speak in a detached tone throughout their conversations. Fantasy users may abruptly end the conversation, take phone calls or conduct business in between instant messages, or forget what he or she was just saying (often evidenced that multiple sessions are taking place). These behaviors are inconsistent of a person trying to cultivate a close, trusting, and special online relationship. [/quote] |
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VooDoo Bamboo
www.voodoodesignsllc.com
Join date: 4 Oct 2006
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06-02-2007 18:23
Note to F.B.I.
PLEASE start tracking some of these IP's and putting some tags on some of these people. |
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Zaphod Kotobide
zOMGWTFPME!
Join date: 19 Oct 2006
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06-02-2007 18:26
Note to Voodoo:
Please construct a thought that lends something positive and enlightening to the conversation. Over. Note to F.B.I. PLEASE start tracking some of these IP's and putting some tags on some of these people. _____________________
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Peggy Paperdoll
A Brat
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06-02-2007 18:30
Here's a small part of an article I read on the differences between a 'pedophile' and a 'fantasy user'. I'm no expert on these things but I kind of agree with what the doctor wrote. Please feel free to read it in full. It's found at -http://www.netaddiction.com/articles/articles.htm under the legal articles and is titled: "Virtual Sex Offenders: Profiling Cybersex Addiction and True Online Pedophilia" Here's an html version link: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:pOXNRdU-FPEJ:www.netaddiction.com/articles/eia_pedophilia_profile.pdf [this BBCODE is a POS, well go figure out how to read the html version thru google] Very interesting. But I believe that is all related to pedofphiles stalking children in text only chat rooms. I know it's been studied intensively..........and many stings have been successful in finding and convicting pedophiles. Most recent, widely publicized case, is the current Miss USA ( was it Miss America?) and her posing as a teen in a chat room. But, I'm not talking about a pedophile stalking children in SL. I'm talking about possible pedophiles using "ageplay" as a means of meeting others of similar mind........comparing notes, maybe role playing to "learn" the other's interests and becoming so immersed in it as to decide that maybe it's "time". The visual part of SL would enhance that little game where text only would be a little flat for such a sick mind. A "meeting place" so to speak where they are free to gather up their fantasies. At some point someone will take the next step. How long do you think a chat room hosting site would last if there was a place such as that? If memory serves me right a few have been closed down on the internet already. Old technology in a new tech world. SL is not a chat room. I can be one but it's not classified as one. At the moment pedophiles have free reign here. And it's about to stop. Good move, in my opinion. |
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VooDoo Bamboo
www.voodoodesignsllc.com
Join date: 4 Oct 2006
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06-02-2007 18:34
Note to Voodoo: Please construct a thought that lends something positive and enlightening to the conversation. Over. If it gets people who think this sort of garbage is ok, then it is way constructive. |
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Zaphod Kotobide
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06-02-2007 18:38
Unfortunately, you've gone from constructive to agitating. In that mode, you won't be effective.
If it gets people who think this sort of garbage is ok, then it is way constructive. _____________________
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Najmah Handayani
(aka Toy LaFollette)
Join date: 26 Nov 2006
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06-02-2007 18:46
using the assumption that ones in SL who take part in ageplay is a possible pedophile that is an assumption I would not care to take.
Throwing that red herring out at a group of people, in my mind, is condeming a group because one of them may be a pedophile. What follows this witch hunt once it dies down? No more BDSM because someone may be a sadist, wife beater? And what after that? No more furries because one of them may be into beastiality? The list can be endless. Upholding the rights of ALL is what needs to be done. Innocent until proven guilty. _____________________
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errUh Oh
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06-02-2007 18:47
"I'm talking about possible pedophiles using "ageplay" as a means of meeting others of similar mind........comparing notes, maybe role playing to "learn" the other's interests and becoming so immersed in it as to decide that maybe it's "time". The visual part of SL would enhance that little game where text only would be a little flat for such a sick mind. A "meeting place" so to speak where they are free to gather up their fantasies. At some point someone will take the next step."
Its funny that you talk about sick minds Peggy Paperdoll. It takes a really sick mind to put together a scenerio like that. You paranoia is mindblowing. Maybe you should talk to someone about that. Someone who is qualified to give you the help you need. |
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VooDoo Bamboo
www.voodoodesignsllc.com
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06-02-2007 18:54
"I'm talking about possible pedophiles using "ageplay" as a means of meeting others of similar mind........comparing notes, maybe role playing to "learn" the other's interests and becoming so immersed in it as to decide that maybe it's "time". The visual part of SL would enhance that little game where text only would be a little flat for such a sick mind. A "meeting place" so to speak where they are free to gather up their fantasies. At some point someone will take the next step." Its funny that you talk about sick minds Peggy Paperdoll. It takes a really sick mind to put together a scenerio like that. You paranoia is mindblowing. Maybe you should talk to someone about that. Someone who is qualified to give you the help you need. Well said, I back you 100%~! |
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
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06-02-2007 19:00
Well said, I back you 100%~! Ummm are you expressing agreement for Peggy or errUh? |
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VooDoo Bamboo
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06-02-2007 19:06
Uuuummm did you look at the ""?
errUh Oh of course. |
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Peggy Paperdoll
A Brat
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06-02-2007 19:08
Its funny that you talk about sick minds Peggy Paperdoll. It takes a really sick mind to put together a scenerio like that. You paranoia is mindblowing. Maybe you should talk to someone about that. Someone who is qualified to give you the help you need. And you're just the one to give me that help? I just love pyschologists who offer their "expert" opinions so freely online. Oh thank you so much for your concern about my mental health. Actually, I'm fine, thank you. But it's so tempting to turn that all around and stating that maybe you are the one that needs a little help. If you can't project the possibilities of such a scenario then I believe you have a much bigger problem than I. It's the blind eyes of people like you that enable people like pedophiles. You're to freaking worried about your little selfish "rights" (rights you do not have in Second Life in the first place) to even consider the well being of an innocent (unknown and unnamed) child that could be a victim.Your stabs at me will not change my mind. But those stabs do reinforce my thinking of people like you. I'll be gracious and not state my thoughts though. |
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
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06-02-2007 19:10
Uuuummm did you look at the ""? errUh Oh of course. Ok, just wondering Peggy's post seemed more in line with your previous position on cleaning up SL. |
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VooDoo Bamboo
www.voodoodesignsllc.com
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06-02-2007 19:11
Well I was backing this part of it:
"I'm talking about possible pedophiles using "ageplay" as a means of meeting others of similar mind........comparing notes, maybe role playing to "learn" the other's interests and becoming so immersed in it as to decide that maybe it's "time". The visual part of SL would enhance that little game where text only would be a little flat for such a sick mind. A "meeting place" so to speak where they are free to gather up their fantasies. At some point someone will take the next step." |