Want to feel good about SL again?

That's beautiful? Who's "E.D."?

Does it rhyme with "SPIDERS SPIDERS SPIDERS!"?

I do vaguely remember a person seeking me out in-world and asking me not to reply to their threads nor respond to their posts.

And I pointed out I was under no obligation to do so under the Forum Guidelines.

WTF with the SPIDERS crap. Elex, you are fast becoming the most hated individual in SL. I think you need to log off from the forums for awhile, take a deep breath, and relax a little.

It's a virtual world, not reality.

That statement is correct and obvious.
Unlikely? Not at all. I had my taxes raised this year even tho I had done nothing wrong. It had been put to a vote. The majority decided to choose a tax package I thought was a bad idea. The change occured because the majority decided it should. Just because the purveyors of 16 meter ad plots are within the rights dictated by the TOS doesnt stop the TOS from being ammended to no longer accept such usage of ones own property for this express purpose if it ruins the gaming pleasure of the community at large. Im not futily gnashing in vain, Im expressing a view that just may be shared by enough people to influence change. If enough people say, ' CRIPES, THIS TOTALLY SUCKS, HEY LINDENS DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!", then perhaps the powers that be might just listen and take corrective action against something that works to the detriment of enjoyment for the majority of players.

We dont trod, we sacrifice. Hopefully that sacrifice results in a better situation.
Our personal liberties are stomped on everytime some clown puts up a griefing device next to our house with the express purpose of forcing us to pay outragous sums to get rid of it. Does anybody actually go looking for these ad cubes to find a new place to shop? Do you advertise on an ad cube in a residential area? Does it bring in business? Everybody but the schmuck who puts the 10k price tag on em HATES these things! Eliminating them has what negative repercussions? Well, other than ruining the rip off artists ad farm business, Umm, lets see, "Im 16 meters above my tier limit so have to dump 16, but OH NO, I CANT SELL IT BECAUSE THE NEW RULES STATE ITS NO LONGER ALLOWED!" I might be out a few bucks, but at least I dont have a friggin flying cube sign overlooking my hottub in the back yard. I want my SL to look purty again! Get these things outta my face. Ok, go ahead, play some patriotic music and talk freedom again.

I feel much better about things since I used my freedom to execute my right to use the ignore list.

Until the "clown" violates either the Terms of Service or the Community Standards it's not a "griefing device." No one is forcing anyone to purchase an ad farm parcel. It is up to the parcelholder to place whatever value they wish upon it.



How you wish to spend your money is how you wish to spend your money. As it flies out of your hands it has no bearing on what others should do with their parcels.

It's the fundamental point.

It's unlikely we can collectively revoke the land privileges of a specific class of resident, their class being solely determined by the form of enterprise they wish to engage in, when they have not violated the Terms of Service or Community Standards. Even if we vote on it. We also can't do it if we find that their parcel contains an object, which though one might find unappealing, has also failed to violate the Terms of Service or Community Standards. We don't get to seize their land and the land of other residents on the basis of the parcel being of a particular size. We don't get to grief them because of it.

Once we've decided to go down the slippery slope is there anyone else which should be banned? We've revoked the land rights of the ad farmers. Better get rid of the landbots next as they use technology which doesn't violate the Terms of Service. I'm watching a show on the viewer in my own home... you don't like the show so smash my TV. Uh oh... someone has a pink unicorn painting on their wall... better burn their house down.

I... am... horrified.

Let us embrace the world of limitless possibilities... as long as it fits within the subjective limits of one or a few individuals who have no authority over any of us.

Two words: I won't.

Your outta control, lol. You espouse the TOS as tho its written on stone tablets by God. A griefing device is a griefing device whethers its forbidden by the TOS or not. Its not a slippery slope to anything. All your examples such as having the TV police smashing your tv, tho every Orwellian, are a far cry from eliminating something minor that damages the enjoyment of a great many people. And yah, BURN DOWN THE PINK UNICORNS!! I dont care if it horrifies you or not. Subjective is whether or not red is a better color than blue. Giant rotating ad cubes are subjectively a 'good' thing for most people??? NOT.

I thought that video was amazing, thanks for sharing the link

Wonderful.
We start with a build that shows some of the best of SL - the creative possibilities. Imagination and soul.
Then for complete contrast we drift into E.D. being a TOSbot again, and again, and again. No imagination and soul.

The two themes are an illustration of the best and the worst of SL. (In that order)

Actually, what I espouse is that we don't get to seize the land of other residents simply because we don't like what's on their parcel.

Yes, it is a slippery slope.

It's not much of a step from burning the painting of the pink unicorn to setting the person dressed as a pink unicorn on fire.

How many books should we burn today? The ones you don't like? The one's I don't like? The ones they don't like? All the books? Only the bad books? Which ones are the bad books? Keep the one's with the prettiest covers?

Which houses should we demolish today? The ones with porches? The ones with too many windows? The brick ones? The wooden ones? A house needs to be erased. The persons inside it must be tossed from their home. Their land must be seized as their house was the wrong color, the wrong size, the wrong shape, had the wrong roof.

The Busy Body committee has arrived. They wish to inform us that we must wear our hair a certain way. Wear certain clothes. Only go to certain places. Only conduct business the way they proscribe. They will tell us what is good and what is bad. And if we do not agree to this we are bad. We must be ejected from society for breaking no rules and no laws.

You mentioned a giant rotating ad cube. Go look at the parcel it is over. Is your name on it? As your name is not on it what gives you the right to interfere with the right of the person who owns the land to cultivate it as they see fit?

I feel much better about things since i used my freedom to not listen to these elitarist answers in the forums from residents who think they know how sl has to be lived by everybody ...

Gosh, I'm sorry. Please elaborate on how seizing the land of another resident and interfering with what they can do with their own parcel is a reasonable attitude, especially when they've violated no rules.

Yes. I have no imagination. As I feel the land of other residents should not be seized when they've committed no infraction.

Yes. I have no soul. As I feel the land of other residents should not be seized when they've committed no infraction.

Unless the object(s) on a parcel violates the Terms of Service or Community Standards nothing can be done about it.

Giant rotating ad cubes have got nothing to do with cultivating land. They are in the sky above the land. The land itself, underneath, is barren and waste.

The person who owns the parcel has decided to do what they wish with the prims upon it, and to place those prims at whatever altitude they desire... to cultivate it as they see fit... or to not cultivate it.

Please note that there are threads in which a person seeks advice on how to acquire the land next to them as they feel their neighbor, who owns the parcel, is not around, and thus is not putting the land to what the person feels to be better use, namely, being seized on the part of the Lindens, and then turned over to them (and maybe even paying a market value fee) so that they might make use of the prims.

The argument is not that the parcelholder has violated any rules, but that they are simply absent for an extended period of time from the parcel they own. They paid for it. Their name's on the parcel. They're paying the tier fees for it. Can we seize the land? They're not in their house. It's unoccupied.

True. I, for instance, decided to grow a big tree on the parcel right next to the banner, so i could hide the damn thing in the foliage.

I can not 'elaborate' on a position that I have not taken up.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the E.D. school of debate.

Coming up in later postings -
E.D. will ask me to elaborate on how I justify
- tracking down the owners of SL ad plots in RL
- hanging, drawing and quartering them
- burning the remains on a pile of books
- gathering the ashes and flushing them down the toilet
- oh, and seizing their RL property, killing their first-born, 'n stuff

Holy hell, that's inspirational. My favorite painting of all time, and he's captured it beautifully.

We'll be back to our Main Event after this message. IBTL.

I usually don't get much out of machinima, but this is indeed amazing. (Talk about "violating the picture plane!" ) As observed in an earlier posting, Robbie's WhisperBox installation is not to be missed, too.

But, speaking of creativity...... is a whole new genre: invoking another thread, irrelevant to the argument that is itself irrelevant to the thread to which it's posted. There's something stunningly post-Postmodern about self-referential irrelevance.

(oh, yeah: IBTL)

to the OP, your work is astounding. thank you

Thanks for posting that link, Raymond. It brought tears to my eyes. I loved every minute of that short video of Robbie Dingo as it reminded me of why I came to SL and why I stay here.

As for Elex 'AdBot' Dusk, if feel he's setting new records for throwing up straw men and ad hominems. Creativity of a sort but not of the type I care for. I get the impression that Elex is a failed defense lawyer in RL.

Only your books I'm afraid

Seriously, do you ever log in, or just live in the forums? Your little green light is never on. Are you this difficult to get along with in RL? Perhaps that is why you can devote so much time to this crap.

Also still don't understand the SPIDERS thing.

Gee Sling, that sounds like a pretty good plan to me. All except the part about flushing the ashes down the toilet - pollution, you know. I suggest - feed them to the troll.

So does anyone know if the build is in-world still?

Oh, yes, as the OP had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the work let's all take a moment to give them a big round of applause. They earned it.

/me claps her hands in delight!

Ray, you've got way too much time on your hands...but it's creative, beautiful, and to the point. Also, "Starry Night" is one of my favorite songs!

Unfortunately, this is a debate that's never won, and always in progress. The basic question is, "where do we draw the line between my rights and your rights?" E.D. comes down on the side of individual freedoms to the point of anarchy, the rest of us (yes, I hate the ad farms too) want to uphold some level of community standards.

I don't know who's "right"...but I know what I like, and it ain't billboards. I'd like to see some kind of economic disincentive, such as the 512 m2 minimum parcel size somebody suggested in another thread.