under 18 epidemic

Myspcae is a good istance its not google but it has a search bar right at the top. The default for Internet Explorer which is there by default on most people's computers and if they have firefox guess what? It defaults to Google. A good deal of websites out there do have google if you look or at least some sort of search engine. There are many out there

The thing is there are other ways not involving the internet to find out about things. For instance asking other people you know going to a place that deal in that sort of thing and the internet or asking someone tech savy to look it up for you. There are alot of avenues out there that you could take is the thing. The parent could also guess SecondLife.com i mean its pretty easy to guess.

As i said though there is more then 1 avenue and more then 1 search engine out there.

Well an easy answer here is fine out what your kids are up to. Keep the games and stuff in a public. Most parents can you say it with me buy the game systems in their home and if they keep it in view where they can see what the kid is doing or palying they will know if it is objectional. Dont need to constantly look over the kids shoulder if you see the game once and object take the game from them end of story.

I ask again, what about the parents who aren't able to look over their kids shoulder because they are at work? SL doesn't come in a game box. So it's not out in the open, it's somewhere on the comp. Which, as we've discussed, and let's say for argument's sake, a kid is home alone for 2 hours, SL takes 10 minutes to install. They crack into the comp and get SL, play it for an hour and a half and uninstall it.

It sounds like an easy answer, but the fact is, there are millions of teens home alone everyday after school without parents for several hours.

Oh, and your reasoning that since you know what it is, means others have to isn't absurd? At least I make logical connections. You keep saying you aren't gonna bother, but then another long post comes without giving any answers to my questions, just attacking me and refuting common sense.



Making it up? Kettle, hello, this is pot, you're black. You have NOT ONCE provided a SOLID basis for your opinion. Not a single iota except census data which doesn't track usage. And now, you've changed your argument again, to suit my solidly formed opinion. So NOW you are saying that a kid COULD do something wrong, and that a parent COULD eventually find out... but how long is eventually by your standards pre tell? A week, a month, a year?



Wow, more demanding questions from one who refuses to answer mine. Do you like it up there on your throne? Why not answer the questions instead of attacking my INFORMED opinion? In fact, I tell you what. I'll be happy to come to your house, install a program in under 5 minutes and make it undetectable. Are you that ill informed about computers to think ALL programs HAVE to be in C:/ Program Files? Are you that ill informed that a 2 second delete from Start menu can't happen? I cannot believe you can sit there and attack me, with my valid data, proof and common sense thinking with irrational thought and avoidance of what I ask you.



I'd quote you, but you obviously don't even believe your own eyes with the quotes I gave you. Your opinion is not a well thought out, informed opinion and excuse me for trying to enlighten you on the nuances of the net and computers. I showed several quotes already of where you've pointed directly that parents are 100% to blame, so spare me this "I didn't say that" cause you did.



I guess you type in another language then, because you've directly stated it. How do YOU interpret "out of control kids have one reason and that's crappy parenting?" Don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot eh? Tough situation... continue to attack me, or point out nothing which I said "bad parent material (hey didn't you accuse me of putting words in your mouth), or that you ARE obviously out of touch. That isn't an attack. It's a fact. I provided information to back up that fact. And you obviously posted it yourself. Especially here about the start menu or program files. You obviously forgot that I already mentioned hiding them in hidden files which common searches don't look for.



Yes I disagree. You are saying that defiance is a direct result of bad parenting and that's simply not the case. I tell you what... answer me this. What caused me to defy my parents when I was taught not to? Please. I'd love to hear another of your baseless opinions. Tell me, what a child is raised completely and ethically properly why they resort to smoking? What garners that defiance? You've done nothing but blame parents the whole time. So tell me, what should a parent do to curb defiance and be totally 100% sure their kid is NEVER doing anything wrong.



I think you mean carefully RESEARCHED. I provided examples of how I got my opinion, why haven't you? Why can you sit there and question me continously, avoid the information I've given you, and not respond to questions and expect me to sit here and give you everything you want?

And cover my tracks? How pray tell? Let me step you through the series of events:



Actually, it has everything to do with being smart enough at the time. Most kids would think to wait til they hear snoring, or wait til their parents went to work (I did the latter, I wasn't about to get caught in the middle of the night with them home, I waited til I knew they were gone and far away). I've already told you locking things in a den doesn't provide the security you think it does. Lockpicking has nothing to do with still being able to get into it. Unless you discount windows, connecting doors, and ceilings. So you drew a line of respect, to do something he told you not to, then didn't do something he told you not to. That's just... I can't even begin to describe the hypocrisy in that.

I seriously doubt, due to your lack of obvious information, or your 'simple workarounds to finding out what's going on' that you are in networking. And aside from that, knowledge of covering your tracks now has nothing to do with doing them when you were a kid.

Hey, I tell you what. I'm in networking too! I work for Bill Gates! Does that make me a genius? Does that mean I know everything?

Again, you make an assumption that since you know what Google is, that EVERYONE MUST!!!! Please, provide me even a logical line of thinking that proves that.

But my question is about Google, not just search engines in general. I've never been to MySpace, I'm actually pretty anti-MySpace, but that's my own opinion.

I know that he or she doesnt get it and i didnt read most of the postings in this thread as that would of taken a long enough time and it can be summed up by the start and threads getting into it later. Yeah someone involved in networking would know about google i knew about it ages ago and used yahoo before i knew about it. Everyone knows what a search engine is and most of them bring up the same references irregardless. And most kids take the discipline they receive its still on the parents to make sure that the kid follows the rules that have been set. I notice many stories are made up first a room is padlocked then mommy is taking the hardware with her.

I dont really know what to say here i could repeat it till im blue in the face and the point still wont get across that LL isnt to blame for kids getting in and verified or unverified wouldnt really make any difference.

I ask again, what about the parents who aren't able to look over their kids shoulder because they are at work? SL doesn't come in a game box. So it's not out in the open, it's somewhere on the comp. Which, as we've discussed, and let's say for argument's sake, a kid is home alone for 2 hours, SL takes 10 minutes to install. They crack into the comp and get SL, play it for an hour and a half and uninstall it.

It sounds like an easy answer, but the fact is, there are millions of teens home alone everyday after school without parents for several hours.

Oh, and Seola - I am fully aware of the fact that you can browse anywhere you want when installing a proggie.

I so love the word epidemic lol. Like we are all under 18 or something seriously.

While thats true you can check things and most teens are not that smart when they are disobeying their parents. Just like criminals they will eventually get caught. The thing here is even so the child lied to get here and if the parents do check what the kids are doing when home. Do you honestly think a teen that is really into SL is going to only play for an hour and a half or keep playing as an unverified account for a long time? The thing is i think parents need to keep up what their kids are doing more often and many dont care enough to. Even with work there are ways of watching your kids.

And to the above post thats true parents should worry about parenting their own kids not everyone elses.

Apparently yes, in your mind that makes you a genius. Just take a look at the bolded portions above. Ego much? Take a look at how you have condescended over the course of this thread to anyone who dares to disagree with you. I don't think its my name on that throne, "sweetie".p/quote]

I'm excited you can html to bold. But what kills me is that telling you that I've done research on this, provided you with information (which you've asked for, then ignored), you've basically bolded what I've said in response to what you asked for. I'm terribly sorry if you feel that's an ego trip, when I've answered everything you've asked (while you ignore what I ask of you) and then quote you and you don't address it.



No, it's cause I refuse to satisfy your whims any longer. You ask for proof of what you say, I provide it and you ignore it. You demand of me and yet when I ask simple questions, you just attack, restate the same thing over and over and then deny you ever said it.



So this:



Means you have no experience in the field whatsoever, but what you do for yourself makes you a professional in discussing it to patronize me? I assumed (silly me) that since you brought that out as your gun of proof of how dumb I am and how smart you are, that you were actually in the field and had an iota of credibility. I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt. Ah, so you don't know everything like you say. What a shame too! You almost had me fooled!



So, since YOU didn't have other times to break the rules means EVERYONE didn't right? I thought life experience doesn't count (as you have said to me)! And actually, depending on geography, many DO have drop ceilings. And I never said once about breaking into a window. Ah, putting words in my mouth? Now, aren't you accusing me of doing that? I'm glad you choose to blame my parents for my behavior regardless of knowing ANYTHING about the teachings of my parents, what they did and how I responded. I tell you what, YOU broke the rules too... EGAD! What does that say about you? Guess your father was a bad father too! Not to mention, the fact that I can recall my teenage years doesn't mean padoodle about anything in terms of timeframe or housing arrangements. So please... continue to judge me. It's rather entertaining that you STILL are blaming parents no matter what.



But there is something hypocritical about blaming parents for their kids disobeying, share your story of disobeying and then say... oops... there's a line not to disobey. According to you, if his parenting was so great, you wouldn't have done it in the first place! How is it that YOUR terms are the definite in everything? What line you drew for respectable parenting, what good parents are, what good parents should do, how they react, and how kids act if they are brought up right? Because YOU did respond doesn't mean squat, darlin. I've been grounded, lost my car, lost my computer, lots of things. But it's what's called REBELLING. Or have you not heard of that before? Have you been so sheltered to believe that a parents raising DIRECTLY and DEFINITIVELY dictates a kids actions?



I never said I didn't like it, lemme state it in smaller, simpler format.

Don't take a post to another as a continuation of the posting I've said to YOU. I could care less if you respond, I'm quite entertained by it. You questioned me on continuity. I told you not to count that as continuity since I wasn't posting in response to YOU.



Just because you don't go somewhere, doesn't mean you know a lot about it 'sweetie'. So are you saying someone who spends time researching Africa can't have an opinion about it because they never went there? You do realize that hundreds of professions out there are a basis in this nature right? I've spent time researching MySpace, I didn't like what I found and cross referenced it with several third parties. Please, do tell me what YOUR definition is of being informed! You have basically said that because it's YOUR feelings, that it's FACT, whereas you've never once provided ANY information, ANY links, NOTHING, ZIP, ZILCH to the effect to support your opinion. Not one ounce of proof as fact, though you state it as such. I never claimed ONCE to work for microsoft or networking did I? lol, you again exude hypocrisy at it's finest. If you are going to pick at what I say, word for word and blame me when I put words in your mouth (which I haven't once), why put words in mine? For all you know I could be Bill Gates' maid. See how silly you look when that hypocrisy comes through?

BTW, ironically, I'm glad you place another judgement on me, that since I didn't know what ONE site was, that limits my ability to know other things. Wouldn't that be like the argument since you don't have children you can't know the feeling of the parent? Oh that's right, I'll use the line "I don't have to have children to know about it". Changed to my side "I don't have to know what Google is to know about computers."



lol, still gotta resort to low blowing eh? I'll respond to your Google thing on the statistic post you mentioned. I'm simply providing you over and over with the answers to the questions, the links you beg for, and you refuse all common sense in addressing the issue and refuse the questions I ask.

Besides, if I'm so lowly on the food chain, why are you still sitting here responding? I shouldn't be worth your effort right?

Yeppers. I agree 100%.

Just for posterity -

The domain google.com was registered on September 14, 1997, and the company was incorporated as Google Inc. on September 7, 1998.

That's going on a decade.

Somebody get me some air freshener.

I've encountered only one who I knew for sure was under 18.

Hyperbole is fun though, for folks who have a flair for the dramatic. If you listen to some people, we have epidemics of all sorts in SL. Most women are men, ageplayers are everywhere, sex is everywhere, and on and on. It's odd then though, that even though I am all over the grid, day in day out, I never see these epidemics.

The mind (and fear) is a powerful thing, especially when we want to believe something.

And for the one who said you can get easy to c-prompt. Yes, you can... and then what? Not much you can do there unless you really know what you are up to. And yes, there are kind of tools that can all do all kind of things.
When noticed, and we will notice or at least our admin-friend will... she checks our computer once per week when she comes along for coffee, then our youngster knows what will happen, we will limit for a more or less longer time her rather large freedom.
And when it comes down the computer, she even requested some limitations, because in some kind of sites she is really not interested.

K, so you judge by the time a company is established as to how long someone *should* know about it? Wow, another baseless standard set yet again by you, with no information given besides incorporation date.

BTW, that's 9 years and 8 years respectively.

Also, if we were to go by YOUR assessment of WHY everyone should know what Google is, then I assume that you also believe that since Microsoft was established in 1975, that EVEYRONE should have known about it by 1985 right? Wrong.....

Or let's see... that Apple was 1976, so by 1986 EVERYONE should have known about it.

Or that since Nike was founded in 1972, that by 1982, EVERYONE should have know about it.

Or... Cisco was founded in 1982, which means by 1992 it's a household name right???

I could go on and on about how an incorporation date (the starting date was the date they determined the specifics) doesn't automatically mean that everyone should know about it, since that is common sense and all, and you obviously have it, there's no need to point that out.

My roommate is a Networking Technical Supervisor in the Air Force. He's been in for 5.5 years now. He hadn't heard of Google til about 3.5 years ago. But by your standards I guess that means that he's not smart enough to have an opinion, or that even though he has a degree in networking, holds several certificates in the field and related areas, spent more than 5 years on the job, tech school, yearly classes dealing with networking, internet access, etc. and is in charge of a squadron for it... because he didn't know about Google on start up date, right away... he's an idiot with all computers. Great analysis.

Thank you yet again Captain Seola obvious!

Let's recap Seola's presence in this thread:

Some folks say that checking to see what the kid is doing once in a while is a good thing.

Seola is horribly aggravated at this, because she simply cannot wrap her brain around the fact that no one has suggested that this ONE aspect of parenting some suggested is the end all be all to parenting. I guess coming to terms with a simple fact such as that doesn't provide the necessary launch pad for a sef-aggrandising tirade of epic proportions...

So she treats us to reams of righteous indignation, speaks to us as if we were children and have no clue about the net or computers ourselves, completely misconstrues and misrepresents what people have suggested, and posts reams of unsolicted extraneous info that is common sense stuff that everyone is fully aware of, and not only that, she positions herself as if these were her original thoughts.

She insinuates people weren't smart if they got caught as a teen doing something wrong on the computer, because she was oh so smart as a teen. And then she projects her own sneaky, consistently disobedient behavior as a teen onto the majority of teens out there.

She knows all, and the rest of us are preposterous idiots for even suggesting looking over the kid's shoulders. Because the kids are all mini Einsteins, and they're going to do bad things anyway.

I still have no clue what she is arguing. Is she saying not to look over their shoulders ever? It's the dumbest line of reasoning in the world if that is not what she is saying. If this is the case, it's just a big waste of time, and is just so much chest thumping. I suppose then it would just boil down to being a convenient stage for her to bleed all over us about how tech savvy she is and what a genius she was as a teen.

I didn't ask her for scads of links to extraneous info. I asked for links to this "common psychological research" she was citing as her basis for talking down to us peons. Yet here she is, twisting that into me asking her for links to something completely different.... well I suppose, given her propensity to either not read thoroughly or willfully misrepresent what others have said, this should come as no surprise.

Oh and HTML bolding LOL! No, I used the little button 'sweetie', but I do know HTML, and have been coding websites and doing custom graphics for several years now, since my older brother started teaching me when I was about 13. See, i can posture like a know-it-all too!

Get over yourself lady. You have control issues, so much so that you're willing to try make stuff up just to avoid having to admit you're wrong about your claim that most parents have no idea what Google is. Didn't hear about Google until two years ago and works for Microsoft ROFL! You're not talking to your 3 year old here lady. Oh, and the 'sweetie' bit was because you patronised April by saying that to her. If you weren't so aloof, maybe you would have caught that this is why I put quotation marks around it.

If indeed you work for Microsoft and didn't know about Google until 2 years ago, then you are not the norm, period, and I wouldn't want you working for me if you're so behind the times.

Oh and yes, Nike was a household name by 1982, as was Apple by 1986, and Cisco is a bit different because it's specific to people who deal in that particular field.

By the way, "9 and 8 years respectively" is "going on a decade"...

Go argue with someone else, because I have more important things to do than be lectured by a disingenous, shifty, self-important "expert" who thinks she has all the answers - like cleaning the toilet.

It's been real.

Hey, I tell you what. I'm in networking too! I work for Bill Gates! Does that make me a genius? Does that mean I know everything?

She uses big words

She's so smart

Last I checked, MS was run by Bill.