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Briana Dawson
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02-18-2009 16:14
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Wow - many think I am sweet and innocent.... well okay, maybe not innocent

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SuezanneC Baskerville
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02-18-2009 16:17
I'm not sure of the precise relevance of this to these forums but it seems like it might have some bearing. This is from the vteamblog.com site, http://vteamblog.com/2009/01/30/monthly-mentor-meeting-transcript-january-30-2009-10am-pst/ .
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Lexie Linden: You may have read awhile back about the new blog/forum software that is coming.
Lexie Linden: This new software presents an opportunity for us to explore how we can extend the Volunteer Program and respond to something volunteers have asked for in the past.
Lexie Linden: The new forum/blog could allow us to design a system inspired by “Yahoo Answers” (Here’s the link in case you are not familiar with it - http://answers.yahoo.com )
Lexie Linden: By creating a written, searchable, live resource that can be accessed by the masses, instead of limiting help to the smaller number of residents volunteers can reach in world, we can become scalable and reach more Residents than ever before.
Lexie Linden: Some of you might be thinking we could use wiki for this. .
Lexie Linden: But, I think if you have ever spent time trying to search wiki..you may have found that it can be difficult to locate exactly what you are looking for. It is still a good resource for many things, but we can do better for our particular needs
Lexie Linden: There are some important benefits to this new idea that I want to point out for your consideration.
Lexie Linden: One is that multiple languages are supported. I think we can all agree that’s pretty important!
Lexie Linden: Also, by compiling helpful and searchable correct answers, it would be possible over time for some of this information to be picked up by the Knowledge Base in English and other languages.
Lexie Linden: The positive impact on basic account holders, not just brand new residents could also be pretty significant.
Lexie Linden: This program could preserve the knowledge, share it easily, connect the community in a new way and enable volunteer assistance to be truly accessible and global for Second Life Residents.
Lexie Linden: Our current status on this “project” is: The program extension is not something designed yet. We are looking at the options and the best way to take advantage of the new software.
Lexie Linden: So, when could this happen.
Lexie Linden: We do not have the timing set yet since we are still in the initial explore and design phase. It would not be when the new blog/forum first launches. (That could be within the next month or so) We will keep you updated as things progress : )
Lexie Linden: Here are a few general items we would hope to include and also some ways volunteers may be able to help in the launch
Lexie Linden: Please keep in mind this is in design phase and can change
Lexie Linden: As always we will want and value your thoughts and feedback. (Yes, there are surveymonkeys in your future : ) )
Lexie Linden: We would want…
Lexie Linden: A Question/Answer area possibly seeded with Q&A from current volunteers.
Lexie Linden: Some initial question categories pre-determined with volunteer input and feedback (surveymonkey!)
Lexie Linden: An initial “group/community” of volunteers within this website that have a title that reflects their participation.
Lexie Linden: and…
Lexie Linden: A “leader board” for top contributors that could show who gives the most answers, correct answers or helpful answers
Lexie Linden: A little note on that feature: Correct answers or helpful answers are determined by the person who asked the question. When they mark the answers as helpful or correct, it would update the total for each person that answered.
Lexie Linden: That’s some basics about the idea.
This project could be totally independent from whatever is going to happen to this vBulletin forum, I don't know.
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Marianne McCann
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02-18-2009 16:23
I'd definitely miss them
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Briana Dawson
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02-18-2009 16:28
From: Jig Chippewa
Its sad to say I wouldnt miss it. Its kinda addictive to type ideas down but they get so hammered these days I wonder if its even worth it. Maybe I am changing and sl is not. I change as my real world changes but there isnt real community here - not really. And no feeding of teh soul. I come here to seek "approval" of some sort, I guess, as I "entertain" myself inworld and look at how we have used a incredible machine to create a strange place to inhabit.
Forums were a place for coming up for air and saying "wow, this place is brill". An then asking a question like "Is it flat or round?" as I once did and got some irritated answers. The issue could be that from perpective of teh forum, sl is a very different place than what it is when we are there.
Reading forums now makes me feel so old wih the attitudes I see.


Jig, you have shaped your own forum experience which i feel from this post you believe to be at least a somewhat negative experience. But honestly, you invite a certain amount of negative or irritated replies when people read your posts and wonder why you are making 'teh' same spelling errors over and over and over again in what is seemingly a juvenile manner. I have never corrected your spelling and i never will, but what i have noticed is that quite a few people in a different thread mentioned this to you, thus expressing to you why they may have a negative view of you and yet you choose to ignore this social correction/sanction. I think the spelling thing with you and some in this forum is more than just an error of misplacing ones fingers on the keyboard and have probably assigned a number of negative character traits to you because of it.

Intentional alienation can never bring a good experience or a feeling of belonging to a community when the community is what you are alienating yourself from.
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Briana Dawson
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02-18-2009 16:31
And yes, i like having this forum to socialize in outside of SL as it often brings new friends and experiences inside of SL. Therefore i would miss it if it were gone
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Brenda Connolly
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02-18-2009 16:48
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
I'm not sure of the precise relevance of this to these forums but it seems like it might have some bearing. This is from the vteamblog.com site, http://vteamblog.com/2009/01/30/monthly-mentor-meeting-transcript-january-30-2009-10am-pst/ .
This project could be totally independent from whatever is going to happen to this vBulletin forum, I don't know.


So, not surprisingly, the whole spiel last year about the New Forum, with 3rd party moderators, yadda yadda was just another steaming pile of LL Horse Hockey. But based upon that, and other situations, we can't even trust they intend to do what you just posted.
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Tabliopa Underwood
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02-18-2009 17:02
Yes I would miss them if they are replaced by a technical help thingy only.

There should always be a place for help with technical issues True. And, there should always be a place for help with social issues, something this forum provides. I hope that when LL move to the new blog channel system thingy that they recognise that the social issues that vworlds raise are as equally important.

While it can appear to some people to be just mindless chatter sometimes when people do address social issues here, its not, and the issues raised do need to be aired and discussed. Solved even.

I think LL do recognise this (well Mr Philip Linden does anyways) and I hope that this will continue in what ever form the forum replacement takes if it is to be replaced. Im encouraged to believe that LL will continue to allow us to examine and help with social issues in a forum-like setting by this extract from Gwyneth Llewelyn's blog
From: someone

when he [Mr Philip Linden] designed Second Life, he was thinking about the architecture of the place: how would the Big City in Second Life look like? How would people design it, create it? What tools would they need? That were his worries. He never really thought about the people that would be living in it, and so, things like using SL for psychological studies or even learning/education came to him as a complete surprise, but a very welcome one. The whole concept of people writing about how to live in the city was something he never imagined to be interesting to anyone. So, SL is the place, the social tools just came later.

Well, the later is now today =)

The full text of it is here: http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2009/02/13/philips-vision-1999-2009-and-beyond/
Rhaorth Antonelli
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02-18-2009 17:16
From: Brenda Connolly
What do you mean by "Continue" to support? They have to start doing something before they can continue to do it.

To answer the question:Yes I would. I enjoy the banter that goes on here. There is an interesting mixture of personalites here. I'm only inworld an hour or two a week, usually at off peak times, so I don't see too many of the people here "in the pixel".



continue to support as in host them (as they do not do more than that) :)
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Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar. :)


They are taking away the forums... it could be worse, they could be taking away the forums AND Second Life...
Rhaorth Antonelli
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02-18-2009 17:23
From: Brenda Connolly
What do you mean by "Continue" to support? They have to start doing something before they can continue to do it.

To answer the question:Yes I would. I enjoy the banter that goes on here. There is an interesting mixture of personalites here. I'm only inworld an hour or two a week, usually at off peak times, so I don't see too many of the people here "in the pixel".



continue to support as in host them (as they do not do more than that) :)
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Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar. :)


They are taking away the forums... it could be worse, they could be taking away the forums AND Second Life...
Love Hastings
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02-18-2009 17:36
From: Jig Chippewa
I know it may be inconvenient because of teh real world situation for many who post here but why cant the group who are close to each other use teh cartel and the IM there?


We all know how you'd like to exclude certain people from these forums. In fact, all too well. I'm not about to tell you to stop harping on it (do what you like), but perhaps your message has been conveyed enough times already? We all know how you feel in this matter.
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Briana Dawson
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02-18-2009 17:58
From: Jig Chippewa
It is very slow to post but why cant it be a "diffrent" forum? I know it may be inconvenient because of teh real world situation for many who post here but why cant the group who are close to each other use teh cartel and the IM there?


It sounds like what you do not realize you are saying is that you do not like being here.
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Peggy Paperdoll
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02-18-2009 18:33
I probably would..........for about a day or so. I mean, what would I do each day after reading my email when I come home from work and the time to think about something to eat? Geeze, I might actually eat before 9 pm. :)

Seriously, I probably would miss the forums a little more than I think I would. I enjoy browsing the posts to see what people are having problems with or what people are happy or pissed off about. I play a little game sometimes with myself.......see if I can predict the answers to repetitive questions and who will post that answer. Hehe, I'm getting pretty good at it too. :)

But I won't die if it poofed tomorrow........or even 5 minutes from now. I'd find something else to fill the time between home from work and dinner. However, one big disappointment would be if that "thread that won't die" doesn't make the half million viewed marked!! Getting close though..............and I've never viewed it. :)
Elora Lunasea
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02-18-2009 19:04
I would miss it a lot. I enjoy the banter here and look forward to "seeing" my friends and getting to know others better as time goes by. It's a totally different interaction than inworld chat or seeing each other at the Hangout since it serves the purpose of providing serious information where you can spend a lot of time explaining yourself and, providing ridiculous amounts of silly entertainment.

Additionally, I work in a very small office with little social interaction (or humor) and this is a mental lifeline for me during the daytime. The small diversion it brings into my life has saved me from throwing myself off the parapet several times :p (I'm exaggerating of course, but you get the picture).

I'm active on other boards unrelated to SL; in other interests I have but none compare to this one. I have come to know the people here on a completely different level, more personal and therefore, they matter more to my daily life.
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Jig Chippewa
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02-18-2009 21:37
From: Briana Dawson
Jig, you have shaped your own forum experience which i feel from this post you believe to be at least a somewhat negative experience. But honestly, you invite a certain amount of negative or irritated replies when people read your posts and wonder why you are making 'teh' same spelling errors over and over and over again in what is seemingly a juvenile manner. I have never corrected your spelling and i never will, but what i have noticed is that quite a few people in a different thread mentioned this to you, thus expressing to you why they may have a negative view of you and yet you choose to ignore this social correction/sanction. I think the spelling thing with you and some in this forum is more than just an error of misplacing ones fingers on the keyboard and have probably assigned a number of negative character traits to you because of it.

Intentional alienation can never bring a good experience or a feeling of belonging to a community when the community is what you are alienating yourself from.


To an extent I have never felt a "belonging". That is quite true. But a sense of belonging isnt goign to change the status of forums in eyes of teh lindens.

But What is this THING you people have with spelling????? Sometiems I swear I am being haunted by chalk dust, dry erase, and school teachers.

I'll miss teh forums. And you know what? You'll miss me.

And admit it - teh forusm is really a secret staff room society of teachers. All of you - your all teachers arent you?? Confess before forums shut down.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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02-18-2009 21:42
LOL if we were teachers you would be seeing all those little lines of correction and such on the posts (wonder what the screens of some folks look like LOL)

the only issue I have with spelling Jig, is it makes it difficult to read, when one expects the words to be spelled a specific way (sure it can be read, but not with ease)

That's all


I maen I culod sepll it all icrnorcelty and sitll be udnsreotod.

but not be easy to read.
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Jig Chippewa
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02-18-2009 21:49
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
LOL if we were teachers you would be seeing all those little lines of correction and such on the posts (wonder what the screens of some folks look like LOL)

the only issue I have with spelling Jig, is it makes it difficult to read, when one expects the words to be spelled a specific way (sure it can be read, but not with ease)

That's all


I maen I culod sepll it all icrnorcelty and sitll be udnsreotod.

but not be easy to read.


You know, i read somewhere that really teh middle letters of a word dont mean much to teh brain but teh first one and last one do. They make teh connection. Its somethign to do with the synapse or whatever its called. (No sure about the last sentence of this but it sounded kinda liek teh stuff I say in real to my friends. So its really a real Jig thing).

And I look for the secret signs of teachers here. I swear you are all hiding soemthing.
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02-18-2009 21:49
From: Jig Chippewa

But What is this THING you people have with spelling????? Sometiems I swear I am being haunted by chalk dust, dry erase, and school teachers.


Perhaps for all of their faults, those teachers were onto something. I appreciate your individuality, but when enough people have the same complaint, perhaps there's actually some merit to their point?
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Jig Chippewa
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02-18-2009 21:56
From: Love Hastings
Perhaps for all of their faults, those teachers were onto something. I appreciate your individuality, but when enough people have the same complaint, perhaps there's actually some merit to their point?


You know, you may be rigth but I am really just not into correcting - its just a character flaw. I truly have good intentions but I never carry them through and correct. I once made a teacher apopolexic when she found I had removed exericse book pages coz I wasnt satisfied with my handwriting. She went ape and ballistic. I seriously think it was teh end of my career as a studnet.

Anyway, letss get back to the topic.

Missing forums. Will you?
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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02-18-2009 22:02
From: Jig Chippewa
You know, i read somewhere that really teh middle letters of a word dont mean much to teh brain but teh first one and last one do. They make teh connection. Its somethign to do with the synapse or whatever its called. (No sure about the last sentence of this but it sounded kinda liek teh stuff I say in real to my friends. So its really a real Jig thing).

And I look for the secret signs of teachers here. I swear you are all hiding soemthing.



I also read that too, a Cambridge university study if I recall correctly.

however the one that stands out the most in your typos (not sure if it is on purpose or accidental) I have seen you type it correctly though... is the...

the... teh is not having the first and last letters in the correct place...
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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02-18-2009 22:05
From: Love Hastings
Perhaps for all of their faults, those teachers were onto something. I appreciate your individuality, but when enough people have the same complaint, perhaps there's actually some merit to their point?



mine is not so much a complaint, as it is an observation and a request.

If Jig continues to use the typos (again I do not know if they are purposeful or accidental and it doesn't matter, one can correct them either way) if Jig continues.. I will have to stop reading, as it is very difficult.

When I read I speed read to a degree, blending one word into the next, and when I hit a word such as teh, or tehy etc, it is like hitting a speed bump, I stumble in the reading, losing the track of what I was reading and often have to start over.

I will just avoid the posts in the future (which I would hate to have to do, but if Jig doesn't want to take the time to make her posts enjoyable, then that is up to her)

(I think Jig is a her, been messing up on genders lately)
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Pie Serendipity
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02-18-2009 23:05
From: Jig Chippewa
I'll miss teh forums. And you know what? You'll miss me.
No we won't. Another know-nothing, delayed adolescent, attention whore who can't spell will turn up to replace you.

Pie (Is the "I" key worn out on your keyboard yet?)
Briana Dawson
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02-18-2009 23:33
From: Pie Serendipity
No we won't. Another know-nothing, delayed adolescent, attention whore who can't spell will turn up to replace you.

You didn't have to go there. :(
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02-18-2009 23:35
My answer: Probably not.

And as a side note, the amount of people who do use these forums probably amount to a minority anyway.
Rhaorth Antonelli
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02-19-2009 00:47
From: Soap Clawtooth
My answer: Probably not.

And as a side note, the amount of people who do use these forums probably amount to a minority anyway.



that would be my guess too, at least according to the stats...


SL Forums Statistics
Threads: 225,279, Posts: 1,938,750, Members: 1,841,909

and when you consider that a lot probably never came back, or never visit specific areas, or use it to just post new products, etc

the % that use this portion of the forums, is probably a very very small % of the active SL population.
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Qie Niangao
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02-19-2009 01:54
I confess: I'd miss the Forums.

I guess I could live with a change to a more "answer-oriented" approach. It's still possible to have some fun with that. It's a bit scary that Lexie used as explanatory example the dreadful "Yahoo Answers" (@#27) instead of, say, stackoverflow.com. But if they make it subject to google search (even just site-local), it would be a huge improvement over vBulletin's newbie-hostile and weirdly persnickety Search feature.

I sat in on the weekly Doc Team office hours yesterday; it's relevant that they struggle with the relative merits of the Knowledge Base vs the wiki for different kinds of information. Similarly, there are communication exchanges that work in-world, and others that work better in Forums, due at least in part to the timescale of asynchrony: current in-world communication methods are next to useless for joint construction of a persistent "document" (like a Forums thread) where the contributions are spread out over hours or days, for which content is supplied by scores of individuals, and that can be referenced for years.

The Forums differ markedly from the wiki, in the short timescale of interactivity: post a specific question and you can expect an answer--usually within the coffee-refill interval.

That only a small minority of residents know about the Forums is hardly surprising. Only a small minority know about the Knowledge Base, too, and there's a team of Lindens whose continued employment is contingent on the KB. The Forums would be a lot more popular if there were just one Linden who had success of the Forums as even one objective, and we'd surely know the plans and schedule for the new software. But whenever a Linden gets a Forums assignment, they're immediately distracted by some other shiny task. (From personal experience: managing researchers is like herding cats. I sense that managing Lindens is like herding lolcats.)
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