There is a guy who keeps controlling my character..

If you give an object permission to animate your avatar, the objectr can be moved somewhere you've never been and never will be and you are forever at the object's mercy, barring Linden intervention, is that correct?

I wonder how that will work out with non-Linden grids connected to the LL grid.

In order to animate your avatar your avatar would have to get messages from LL. Those messages would show up in SLProxy's output, right? The message would include the location of the object sending the message, right?

SLProxy will show every message or does it only show a subset of messages? What message would LL send in order to animate your avatar?

I'm sorry but this is hilarious. I am sorry for the trouble you are having but I just got a visual and
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This guy must be STOPPED! If not for us then stop him for the prim babies.
Think of the prim babies!

HAHA i love the charlies angels idea,,, sign me up lol Im gonna check out this place just to see. I have bad weapons i never get to play with anymore, maybe i can lure them somewhere to play lol. You all are so entertaining always get a giggle in this forum
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Hey Cen What Lil Me said...the forum group is a great group to hang out with...however AR this ass, and edit his name out of your OP it is against TOS to post his name (I think) ...Just AR his ass.

I don't think so. I'm too lazy to test it just now, but I'm reasonably sure that llStartAnimation only works on primary or child agents of the sim where it's called. If that's correct, as long as one stayed out of the object's "neighborhood" of sims, one could stop all animations and it couldn't start another. (I realize llGiveMoney isn't subject to this limitation, so debit permission is universal--and obviously a huge complexity for non-Linden grid interconnect. But L$ transactions go through the central db, while animations are pushed directly by the sim, as I understand it.)

If true that it's not global and for all time that is good, but...

The effect might be much the same for a person that stays in one sim a lot.

I'm too lazy to find SLProxy and install it at the moment, the version I have is quite likely out of date.

That should be corrected.

You should be able to pull up all the Debit and Animation permissions you've given and rescind them at will.

Yup. Now THAT would be a USEFUL new feature... in fact, I'd say so useful that it could properly be labeled a "showstopper" that we DON'T have it! (If you somehow end up giving debit permissions to a malicious script, you can currently NEVER undo that without getting direct Linden intervention.)

Of course, our definition of what's a useful new feature, and what isn't, obviously differs considerably from that of the Lindens...

So wait, if I give someone permission to animate me for a hug, that person has control over me forever?

A friend was recently given a Valentines card by someone she didn't know. Once worn, her avatar was controlled, and whats more, big kiss particles were appearing and rushing towards her crouch. I resolved the particles by getting her to logout on my land, after she gave me mod rights to her objects, and a very small prim dropped to the floor after she logged out, which I deleted before she logged back in. Another friend 'cleared the ' other issue.

Some nice people in the world.....

Assuming "crotch" there, that's kinda difficult to avoid: a particle that targets an avatar ends up targeting the centroid of its bounding box, which is roughly the lower torso. So for a particle to appear to target somewhere else and still follow the avatar, the texture would have to be offset (little hearts way up at the top of the texture, perhaps), and could look very strange depending on cam angle because particles are always oriented to the viewer plane. (Some geometry and an extraordinarily laggy script could theoretically use a different particle emission pattern to send particles toward and offset from the sensed position of the avatar, but this wouldn't be robust to animations, nor even avatar movement once a particle is emitted. A more workable approach is to target a known attachment of the avatar, but of course that requires cooperation from the targeted avatar.)

I think you will find, the direction of the particles was intended.. if somewhat easier to do, than direct elsewhere....

No; animation permissions get rescinded when you log out, and (to an extent, I'm not sure on the exact limits off the top of my head) if you move far enough away... that is, put enough full sims between you and the object or item to which you gave the permissions.

Of course, it would be so much handier to have the option to turn OFF animation permissions you'd given without having to do the above.

Debit permissions, though, persist across sessions and across the entire grid.

This bit isn't quite correct. As long as the script hasn't been reset, it retains those permissions. This doesn't show up for things that get permission because you sit on them, because you unsit when you logout. Things like danceballs that have to explicitly ask permission could retain it till they're reset (or run out of script instances to hold the permissions)--but they generally include a sensor or some other means to discover when an agent has left the vicinity, so as to be able to re-use the script instance that held that avatar's permissions.

(Attachments... I forget now, but think they retain anim perm across logins; it's a purely scripter diversion anyway, since attachments, like sit targets, only "request" anim perms internally to the script.)

Unless things have changed in the last month, the above is NOT true.

First, note that a hugger won't keep your permissions. Only a buggy or malicious script would.

But, I've been working extensively with MLP, and had to fix a bug where, if someone was using it (animated after sitting on a poseball) and they logged off or crashed without standing, the script would accidentally keep permission to animate them. If they came back within range (whatever that is), whenever poses on the bed would change, the person would get animated for whatever ball they had been sitting on. This would persist until someone hit STOP on the MLP menu, or someone else sat on the ball they were on.

It would be interesting to find out whether distance has any effect on this; I couldn't say. But logging off definitely does NOT revoke permissions. Perhaps it should, but no doubt that would break some scripted product or other (or make it less functional). For animations, might be no problem, but if all debit permissions died when you logged out, shop and club owners would go ballistic. The last thing they want to do is re-give debit permissions to all their tipjars and scripted vendors every time they log on!

It's not such a trivial problem for LL to fix, unfortunately.

Lesson: don't wear stuff from people you don't know!

Unless it's been washed.

Hmm that does sound hot, want to push me around some time?

I agree wholeheartedly! I believe there's a JIRA entry for this.

Yep: for PERMISSION_DEBIT it's http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1750 or http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1365, and for PERMISSION_TRIGGER_ANIMATION it's
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2326.

I've been over that way several times now (I'm trying to find an acceptable way of motorcycling from the bridge over the Straits of Shermerville to Raiden via Barcola/Grignano/Dore). It takes me right past the scene of the crime - the brick bridge - each time. I stop and check everyone out on the off chance I might see the culprit..but not yet. Odly this evening there was some guy setting off some wierd storm thing which started with an announcement in a very English accent..for a moment I thought it was him.

I'm there right now..'Obscured Sands' is playing her violin again, but no sign of our man. All you vigilantes keep note of this thread..I'm sure 'the target' will show himself eventually..not that I condone any form of reprisal..coff coff!

Only if you'll let me use my new boots to stomp on u.;-]

the 'bad spot' has a new devise. At least new to me, it was a huge blue blob hanging in the sky and when I got near (by walking up the street) it attacked me in a swirling fashion like a sawmill blade. I think it was supposed to thrust me around but I was wearing my 'sit' thing from Mysti and I just stood and let it try. Didn't see our doobie friend but my Mysti list showed him as being around. Could he have been the ball? can anyone tell me what it is?

No, I've got a Mysti HUD that has a section called "offensive" that lets me encase people in an invisible trap and drag them around, cage them, orbit them and so on without their permission. I've only ever used it on friends as a joke, because it is definitely AR-able. My SL boyfriend orbited me a million metres underwater once - he claims it was an accident while he was testing out his Mysti HUD (and no, I didn't AR him!)

There are hugger's out there that boast get permission once and animate forever....

But this is not a case of giving permission, she was being tossed around by G-force or a similar weapon. NOBODY is using animate permissions in this case. They are just using griever weapons.

The reason the other person never saw who pushed her into the pit was because it was an alpha textured object, from a push weapon.

This isn't a case where the griever needs permission to animate your avatar.