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Sys Slade
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05-18-2007 10:31
The very fact that the area was set up for public use should tell you something.
It is not there for your exclusive use, and thus anyone could wander up at any time, single or couple.
Attacking anyone who comes in range is just asking for your account to be banned.
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Stephanie Abernathy
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05-18-2007 10:38
From: Colette Meiji

Has anyone ever been rudely intruded on by a non noobie or non griefer? This tends to be a problem mainly with new people who are still learning their way around SL.


Actually, yes... about 8 months or so ago. He was "born" in 2004.

When I asked him why he had broken into a locked building and into the room where my partner and I were, his reply was "Because that's what I do".

So I hit Eject & ban, because that's what -I- do.
Then set our land to group access only, so he couldn't return with an alt.
Sys Slade
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05-18-2007 10:41
Me and a friend bought some scuba gear then went to investigate the pink octopus we could see in a king size bed under the water.

Fun way to meet the new neighbours, and drop the hint that they were in full public view :p
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Aleister Montgomery
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05-18-2007 10:45
From: Broccoli Curry
I respectfully suggest that if all you're here for is pixel sex, then you've really really missed the point of what SL is all about.

Broccoli


Ehm... I always thought the point of SL was to realize our fantasies? And most of the human fantasy revolves around relationships and sex, since the No.1 priority of our genetic program is to be fruitful and multiply, plus gaining social status within our herd (in order to have more partners to be fruitful and multiply with).
The reasons for our evolutionary success are a vivid imagination and a constant desire for sex, therefore every means of communication that we invent will always contain sex. Phone sex, video sex, internet sex, metaverse sex. If you find that disgusting, you missed the point of what life is all about.
Colette Meiji
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05-18-2007 10:46
From: Stephanie Abernathy
Actually, yes... about 8 months or so ago. He was "born" in 2004.

When I asked him why he had broken into a locked building and into the room where my partner and I were, his reply was "Because that's what I do".

So I hit Eject & ban, because that's what -I- do.
Then set our land to group access only, so he couldn't return with an alt.


think hed count as a Griefer.
Stephanie Abernathy
Susan Ivanova Wannabe
Join date: 8 May 2006
Posts: 352
05-18-2007 11:08
Right

But he definately counted as a non-noob, since your question was "non noobie - or - non griefer"
Chie Salome
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05-18-2007 11:27
In light of the famous "Greater Internet F**kwad Theory" (i.e. normal person + anonymity + audience = total fecktard), I would humbly suggest you'd try out my hypothesis;

1. Have common courtesy toward others.
2. Don't expect the same thing from them.
3. Happier Second Life!

It'll give you pleasant surprise each time you meet people with common courtesy, and they actually are the majority of SL. As for the feckwad minority, well, they can't hurt you unless you allow them to in online world.
Usagi Musashi
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05-18-2007 11:32
ok.........next :rolleyes:
Solanghe Sarlo
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05-18-2007 11:45
Well here's my 2 cents:

I agree with many of the points made in this thread. In my humble opinion:

#1: SL is about whatever YOU WANT it to be about. That is different for everyone.

Personally, I love to explore, dance, SHOP(!) Role Play (which entails various and sundry animations) and work on my building skills. But, that's ME. So, we shouldn't be bashin other folks for what they choose to do. This is the beauty of SL; the unlimited ability to choose your own entertainment.

#2: I, like many people (I think) tend to behave in SL the way I do in RL regarding common courtesy and manners. I often go to places like Lost Gardens of Apollo just to enjoy the beauty there. It is a place that is ideal for cuddly couples. What do I do if I realize I have rezzed or walked into an intimate moment? I friggin leave. After I've said, "excuse me". I know it's public land, but I would do the same thing in RL on a beach or in a park, etc. To me, that is just common courtesy.

And as for private land...There was a couple recently having a rather loud discussion (sounded like a break up) near my home. I was inside the house, they were down the road abit and I could hear every word. I shouted to them, "Hey guys, I'm in my house and can hear ya'll" to which they replied, "Oh, thanks for telling us" and they moved out of my ear shot. Enough said.

#3: There is NO such thing as real privacy in SL. Quit stressin about it. I agree with whoever it was that said this seems to only bother people who haven't been in the game very long. Had this incident happened to me, after I politely cleared my throat and the other resident didn't get it, I would have just gone IM or gone somewhere else.

There are tons of weirdo griefer types in SL and also new residents who are not sure or don't care about social etiquette. It's just how it is. Don't let it spoil your own experience.

*climbing down off of my soapbox*
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Serenarra Trilling
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05-18-2007 11:57
I am normally a big supporter of privacy issues in SL, but you are going WAY too far when you expect privacy in a public place.

If you orbit someone for watching you do ANYTHING in a public place, my opinion is that you should be permabanned from SL.
Maggie McArdle
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05-19-2007 02:24
From: Aleister Montgomery
Ehm... I always thought the point of SL was to realize our fantasies? And most of the human fantasy revolves around relationships and sex, since the No.1 priority of our genetic program is to be fruitful and multiply, plus gaining social status within our herd (in order to have more partners to be fruitful and multiply with).
The reasons for our evolutionary success are a vivid imagination and a constant desire for sex, therefore every means of communication that we invent will always contain sex. Phone sex, video sex, internet sex, metaverse sex. If you find that disgusting, you missed the point of what life is all about.



sex takes no imaginantion.
and surprise Mr Montgomery, sex isnt the end all be all in many peoples lives, as you have made it seem in yours.
and umm im human, my fantasies revolve arounda never depleting credit card and and building somethign that wont vanish when i put it into inventory.
anyone who comes here strictly for pixel sex, is boring, very limited in their thinking, and lack the drive to imagine anything else. im sorry Mr Montgomery, but you probably should get your mind out your pants. and stop trying to paint others with your limited one sided view.
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Suzi Sohmers
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Pop!
05-19-2007 03:24
Hey Cole, did you hear the pop yet?
Luthien Unsung
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05-19-2007 09:30
From: Hana Timtam
i just wanted to comment..


yea.. okay. So SL and RL are different.. but... i don't get this idea that it's okay to NOT extend common courtesies or that it's okay NOT to respect other people's privacy just because you are in a "public place"...


Could you define public place in SL? Are you referring to Governor Linden Land?
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Angelique LaFollette
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05-19-2007 10:28
From: Maggie McArdle
sooo you feel that in a "public" area you should be able to do what you wish w/o expecting an audience? shakes my head. my partner and i also love those romantice spots, but we dont do anything remotely hide worthy, nor do we expect anyone to not walk up to us. its a public area. maybe to avoid those awkward moments, might i suggest a hotel?

Do whatever you with with out an audience? No, But like in RL, Without attempts at AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION.
Go into a public park on a pleasant sunny afternoon, approach any young couple you find there, doing what comes naturally to young people in Love, and begin annoying them in the same fashion as many people do in SL, anything from attempting to engage them in Inane conversation, asking for Sex, or asking to watch while they have sex, Or telling them they have No right to be behaving as they are in Your space. The reaction you receive will be Unpleasant at best, and depending upon the temperment of the persons you are annoying, Potentially Very painful.
Public displays of affection have been the Norm in North American life for well over half a century, Acting like you are shocked by them is Frankly lacking in sincerity. People who Irritate couples in Public areas (And just as frequently in the private areas as well) are not doing so to express any kind of moral outrage, but seem more interested in making a nusience of themselves. All i can say to persons who feel compelled to annoy couples in thier Affectionate moments is "Grow Up".

Angel.
Solanghe Sarlo
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05-19-2007 10:43
From: Luthien Unsung
Could you define public place in SL? Are you referring to Governor Linden Land?



Public: a spot that is created for all residents to enjoy such as parks, recreational islands, clubs, shops, coffee houses, sandboxes, classrooms, etc.

Private: land and/or property owned/rented by residents for their home or private activites - this includes skyboxes btw.

I'm sure I'm missing some things but you get the idea? No offense intended, but I find it hard to believe that you really need an explaination of what is "public". :confused:
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Har Fairweather
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05-19-2007 12:10
Yep, if you're in a public or even semi-public space, you have to be prepared for visitations from newbies, idiots, and rude jerks. Comes with the territory. Use an entirely empty sim if you must be "outside" and not on your own land, and that should help. But there can be no guarantees.

Best bet: Just don't do it in the road.
Io Zeno
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05-19-2007 12:17
WAIT.

You want to be able to have sex in a public place, and complian if people watch or come near you?

rofl.

How does that work in RL?

"I just wanted to do my girl doggie style on a park bench and these bastards won't leave us alone."
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Angelique LaFollette
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05-19-2007 17:25
From: Io Zeno
WAIT.

You want to be able to have sex in a public place, and complian if people watch or come near you?

rofl.

How does that work in RL?

"I just wanted to do my girl doggie style on a park bench and these bastards won't leave us alone."

In RL, You don't visit parks much, do you? lol.

Angel.
Io Zeno
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05-19-2007 18:05
From: Angelique LaFollette
In RL, You don't visit parks much, do you? lol.

Angel.


Yeah, it's amazing, I can walk through Central Park in the heart of New York City and not see one couple fucking on a bench in broad daylight.

What parks are you strolling through?

And when you see these orgies in public parks do people avert their eyes?
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Yiffy Yaffle
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05-20-2007 10:07
The way i see it, land owners have full rights to remove anyone from their land for any reason. So if your on someone elses land being private with your special other and someone comes up to you intruding, just give a holler to the land owner. If the land owners is governor linden, just contact a linden. For resident owned land contact them directly or contact the officers of the group that the land is deeded to. Make sure their online at the time or it's kinda pointless lol. if you choose to shoot them for invading your privacy on land you don't own, your setting yourself up for a abuse report by them. I agree that we all wish to get rid of pests but that isn't the best way.
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Maggie McArdle
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05-20-2007 10:26
From: Angelique LaFollette
Do whatever you with with out an audience? No, But like in RL, Without attempts at AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION.
Go into a public park on a pleasant sunny afternoon, approach any young couple you find there, doing what comes naturally to young people in Love, and begin annoying them in the same fashion as many people do in SL, anything from attempting to engage them in Inane conversation, asking for Sex, or asking to watch while they have sex, Or telling them they have No right to be behaving as they are in Your space. The reaction you receive will be Unpleasant at best, and depending upon the temperment of the persons you are annoying, Potentially Very painful.
Public displays of affection have been the Norm in North American life for well over half a century, Acting like you are shocked by them is Frankly lacking in sincerity. People who Irritate couples in Public areas (And just as frequently in the private areas as well) are not doing so to express any kind of moral outrage, but seem more interested in making a nusience of themselves. All i can say to persons who feel compelled to annoy couples in thier Affectionate moments is "Grow Up".Angel.



any couple rl or sl who engages in activities that should best be done indoors is asking for an audience. im not talking about the occaisonal cuddle cutsey stuff. im sorry, but in real life? where REAL stuff happens? if Mr.reil and his companion were to indulge in such things, they would be laughed at, pointed at, gotten an audience and or arrested. at least in this arena all the guy did was stand there. hardly an activity worth orbiting the gentleman for. and to expect said privacy on a SIM that was built for PUBLIC enjoyment is laughable.
you can make all the excuses about so called ettiquette and manners you wish. bottom line: drop your drawers in a public venue, expect the public to look. again GET A ROOM!
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Colette Meiji
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05-20-2007 10:41
From: Maggie McArdle
any couple rl or sl who engages in activities that should best be done indoors is asking for an audience. im not talking about the occaisonal cuddle cutsey stuff. im sorry, but in real life? where REAL stuff happens? if Mr.reil and his companion were to indulge in such things, they would be laughed at, pointed at, gotten an audience and or arrested. at least in this arena all the guy did was stand there. hardly an activity worth orbiting the gentleman for. and to expect said privacy on a SIM that was built for PUBLIC enjoyment is laughable.
you can make all the excuses about so called ettiquette and manners you wish. bottom line: drop your drawers in a public venue, expect the public to look. again GET A ROOM!



While true

In real life when I have inadvertantly seen a couple having sex in a Public place - I look away and go about my business.

Not everyone stares, cat calls, mocks or calls the police. Some people respect privacy and arent instantly offended to the point of exploding at seeing something natural like sex. For health reasons of course they shouldnt use public benches, etc. But thast a seperate issue from turning your head.

Most of the public sex Ive encountered was in parked cars in parking lots. Although I have seen it at a public park as well.

The Original Poster did say he was only cuddling with his girl, and wasnt happy he was intruded on.

It was him defending himself that led to his comments about sex.

It is true a lot of people like sex in SL. Its also true a lot of those same people like a lot of other activities. To say that playing house and having sex arent Big parts of SL is to be unrealisitc. Simulated Love makes MUCH of the SLworld go round.
Conan Godwin
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05-20-2007 18:39
From: Io Zeno


"I just wanted to do my girl doggie style on a park bench and these bastards won't leave us alone."


LSHMCOOMN (Laughed So Hard Milk Came Out Of My Nose)

If a couple are "at it" in a public place, they must want an audience, otherwise they would go home for their "country matters" (as I believe someone mentionned earlier, quoting Shakespeare - Hamlet, Act III Scene II btw if anyone wondered).

Oddly enough, I wasn't actually drinking any milk at the time.
Rusty Satyr
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05-20-2007 18:46
Pshaw... let'm watch. Put on a show.

It's not like they know who you are anyway.

Just keep the conversation in IM's. ;)
Susie Boffin
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05-20-2007 20:23
Part of the thrill in having sex on public land is the chance of getting caught. :)
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