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Cole Riel
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05-18-2007 05:58
Why does it necessarily have to be about sex? Seems some of you are only thinking this is about sex and it's not. If you see in the op I said, couples who get together to dance, cuddle or have sex or whatever else they happen to be doing. Plus we weren't engaging in sex, just cuddling as thats what that spot was for.

Many spots are made for couples to get together and as we all know they usually do whatever they want to whether it's sex or not. Like I also stated, I was in an off-road, in a corner away from the main area and the only way to get to where I was you had to go out your way to do this. So what possible excuse is there for someone to do this except to interfere.

This thing about not seeing where you're going happens when you first rezz. For this person to get to where we was he had to manuver himself pretty good to get there, had he not been able to see there's no way he could of gotten there as he had also had to jump over a rope to get there. besides, I said if you happen to be rezzing in or near that area its then understandable.

If they saw dots and went to see what was up? You can be serious saying this, not the way it was situated it wasn't. That's a pretty weak excuse to begin with. So people can't tell when 2 dots are together all by themselves? Is this common sense? Maybe this guy thought it was a open house party for the entire sim, right?

Like someone mentioned in here, in rl you extend such courtesies, why not in here? Isn't this another life imitating the first? Too often people come in sl to harass and bother others and just because it's a public place does not mean they should do this.

For those who say sex isn't what sl is about I say you're denying what you know to be true. Sex happens all the time, you know it, I know it, everyone else does too. Just because you don't participate like Curry who has expressed this many times in other posts doesn't mean it doesn't exist or isn't in sl. Sticking your head in the sand isn't going to make it go away. it happens whether you like it or not, whether you agree or not.

I may of been wrong for doing this but I won't apologize nor do I regret my actions. He griefed and I griefed right back.
Lorna Languish
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05-18-2007 06:02
Remember Cole, if he managed to get a screenshot of you cuddling, you might get banned, private or not.
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05-18-2007 06:03
From: Cole Riel
I may of been wrong for doing this but I won't apologize nor do I regret my actions. He griefed and I griefed right back.



No, he stood, you griefed. The worst thing this guy did was to stand near you. He obviously didn't realise he was in the presence of the Grand High Poombah and so failed to keep the requisite distance.
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05-18-2007 06:04
From: Cole Riel

Like someone mentioned in here, in rl you extend such courtesies, why not in here? Isn't this another life imitating the first? Too often people come in sl to harass and bother others and just because it's a public place does not mean they should do this.


Because frankly speaking they stupid in rl as well as on sl... Too offen these lost of lifes really think they can do what they like to whom they like.Why because in their own sorry little lost life they are alone and unloved..Give them a computer and you see their real ugly little lives appear as a Second Life Avie to cause hate harm and other hearthless thing..... I dealt with many types of people in my work in rl, but i never met so many......Jerks, As******, waste of life, totally rude, bla bla bla. In my life.
Colette Meiji
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05-18-2007 06:08
From: Cole Riel
Why does it necessarily have to be about sex? Seems some of you are only thinking this is about sex and it's not. If you see in the op I said, couples who get together to dance, cuddle or have sex or whatever else they happen to be doing. Plus we weren't engaging in sex, just cuddling as thats what that spot was for.



Some born again SL virgins dont like SL Sex. Thats why.

Others are okay with SL sex but want to make sure all of us know that *they* dont ever have SL sex.

But in this case I think someone pounced on something you said, mainly. A danger of being too verbose with your posts.

A lot of people in SL dont use their RL manners ... you have to take that into acount in SL. Theres no way to force people to be considerate. Its just never going to happen.
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05-18-2007 06:17
From: Lorna Languish
Remember Cole, if he managed to get a screenshot of you cuddling, you might get banned, private or not.



No.. if the other person got the screen shot, Cole might not be banned for that, but will be if he keeps orbiting others in a non-damage place. LL won't care that Cole wanted privacy. All they will see is a series of offenses from this one person on different people.

*shrugs* Other than that, semi-privacy in SL is owning/renting your own land and setting the ban on it. Or use a security orb. Myself, I didn't come to SL for privacy.. although I truly appreciate the people who kindly wait for me to welcome them while I'm building.
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Colette Meiji
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05-18-2007 06:19
From: Lorna Languish
Remember Cole, if he managed to get a screenshot of you cuddling, you might get banned, private or not.



Not till we all get Integrity (c or TM or something) verified :p
Maggie McArdle
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05-18-2007 08:24
From: Hana Timtam
i just wanted to comment..

a lot of people seem to be saying "You shouldn't expect privacy in a public area".. but... in RL .. generally.. people grant other people "privacy" in public.

i've been in a Real Life beach.. and seen a couple on their towels close together.. i wouldn't =dream= of walking over to them, sitting down next to them, while they were obviously engaged in a private conversation and just start talking to them. Sure the beach was "Public" and thus i had every right to plant myself right next to the couple.. but i didn't!! O.o

in RL... we've all been to parks... seen a couple on a bench... and we've avoided walking right up to them and staring at them from a foot away. Even though the park was "public" and we had every right to stand 12 inches away from them and stare. We didn't.

in RL if you've been to a public nature trail... and you know there's a cozy area with this really great rock.. that has this really beautiful view overlooking a slight cliff.... and if you're walking with your best friend towards it (because you really want to show your friend this grand spot).. but... as you approach you see a couple sitting close together on a blanket... not kissing or doing anything "adult" but just clearly being close together. i think MOST decent people would back away... and decide to come back later.. and would allow the couple who was "there first" some privacy... even though it is a "public spot".

Errr...

yea.. okay. So SL and RL are different.. but... i don't get this idea that it's okay to NOT extend common courtesies or that it's okay NOT to respect other people's privacy just because you are in a "public place"...



umm agreed with You up to a point....just because one was raised with manners, doesnt mean others were. i too was raised that way. but this is the intarwebs, and in this venue we are a buncha lookyloos. and i for one agree with bilbo, sometimes Mr. Riel it aint about you, i have stopped where i was goin thru my inventory while in im, so never assume that you are the main attraction.

and as far as using SL as your personal XXX site? thats You. if thats the way you wish to use this arena, more power to you. but dont sit there and assume that thats what everyone is here for. again, if you want a modicum of privacy, a hotel is your best bet. other than that? use skype ;)
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05-18-2007 08:40
From: Cole Riel
Just because you don't participate like Curry who has expressed this many times in other posts doesn't mean it doesn't exist or isn't in sl. Sticking your head in the sand isn't going to make it go away. it happens whether you like it or not, whether you agree or not.


The name's Broccoli. Broccoli Curry. Licensed to... erm.. wrong movie sorry.

That aside, I fully understand that sex in SL does exist - but just like real life, it has a time and a place. If you decide to hop behind the sand dunes at your local beach and get jiggy, don't blame the kid chasing a frisbee that jumps over the ridge and lands with his foot on your arse.

You were in a public place, period, expect to be disturbed. If you don't want to be disturbed in SL, then get your own land, create your own private area, and put up the ban lines. Sorry, but that's just the way it is round these parts, and things are not going to change.

If your 'privacy' is really that important, just put up your mini-map and keep an eye out for dots on the map heading your way. You do realise that an important part of Second Life is socialising, and to do that people have to go looking for dots on the map. They have no way of knowing that you really don't want to be disturbed until they say "hello" ... I get people wander up to me all the time when I'm building, and honestly I've made some great friends out of many of them.

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Maggie McArdle
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05-18-2007 08:42
From: Cole Riel
Why does it necessarily have to be about sex? Seems some of you are only thinking this is about sex and it's not. If you see in the op I said, couples who get together to dance, cuddle or have sex or whatever else they happen to be doing. Plus we weren't engaging in sex, just cuddling as thats what that spot was for.


then why did you orbit the guy? perhaps you two were gray blobs to him and he was rezzin? and in your op, you did imply that more than "cuddling" was happening.

From: someone
Many spots are made for couples to get together and as we all know they usually do whatever they want to whether it's sex or not. Like I also stated, I was in an off-road, in a corner away from the main area and the only way to get to where I was you had to go out your way to do this. So what possible excuse is there for someone to do this except to interfere.


very true. but again PUBLIC sim. like one poster said: green dots attract people, and if he was a new player he probably thought somethin was goin on. or he was being nosy.

From: someone
This thing about not seeing where you're going happens when you first rezz. For this person to get to where we was he had to manuver himself pretty good to get there, had he not been able to see there's no way he could of gotten there as he had also had to jump over a rope to get there. besides, I said if you happen to be rezzing in or near that area its then understandable.


not true. took me once after an update almost a half hour to fully rezz. in the mean time i was blindly walking into people and things. im not making excuses for the chap, but never assume you are the center of attention. then again he was probably wonderign why yall was, so to speak, "in the booth, in the back, in the corner, in the dark"


From: someone
Like someone mentioned in here, in rl you extend such courtesies, why not in here? Isn't this another life imitating the first? Too often people come in sl to harass and bother others and just because it's a public place does not mean they should do this.


to dream the impossible dream eh?

From: someone
For those who say sex isn't what sl is about I say you're denying what you know to be true. Sex happens all the time, you know it, I know it, everyone else does too. Just because you don't participate like Curry who has expressed this many times in other posts doesn't mean it doesn't exist or isn't in sl. Sticking your head in the sand isn't going to make it go away. it happens whether you like it or not, whether you agree or not.


just because it happens doesn't mean everyoen is doin it. but i bet some of those people have the sense not to expect privacy on a public area.

From: someone
I may of been wrong for doing this but I won't apologize nor do I regret my actions. He griefed and I griefed right back.

then i strongly urge the gentleman you orbited file an ar against you. standing isnt agains the TOS.
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05-18-2007 08:47
I am seriously getting tired of catering to the needs of people who apparently can't get laid in the RL
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05-18-2007 08:47
From: Cole Riel
With this said, why is it so difficult for some people to steer away from couples who're sitting or laying down doing whatever by themselves?


I'm sure it's the same thing that makes it difficult for people to stay out of others' homes.

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05-18-2007 08:54
To me, the point of the game is 'interaction with other humans' not sittin lookin at a empty sim

so if i am 'randomly map hopping' and i see green dots, of course thats the 1st place i go

to meet new ppl


now i wont barge into your house to watch you fornicate, altho i may stand outside and zoom in and call my friends in the other room in my RL house over to watch at laugh at you.......


but otherwise, if you dont wanna be social, dont log in ;)
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05-18-2007 09:00
From: Tybalt Brando
I am seriously getting tired of catering to the needs of people who apparently can't get laid in the RL

That's ok other people are getting sick of catering people who apparently can't make money by working in RL too :P

And not to mention those who apparently can't do First Person Shooting in real life.
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05-18-2007 09:09
From: Tybalt Brando
I am seriously getting tired of catering to the needs of people who apparently can't get laid in the RL

Oh, thank you. Brilliant.

And, really, orbiting someone for standing and watching you do creepy simulated cuddling in public is incredibly childish. Too bad that we can't age-verify maturity.
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05-18-2007 09:09
Different people view SL in different ways. You may view SL as an extension of RL, but that doesn't mean nor require that others view it that way. I view SL - and always have - as a big, public, virtual art gallery. As far as I'm concerned, people buy space in the art gallery in order to exhibit. If you leave it rezzed in-world, you have left it out for people to view.

Now, you can argue all day long that everyone who takes this same view is WRONG, but that does not negate the fact that this what SL is for me and this the way a fair number of others view SL also. How you use SL is not the same way as how others use SL and you don't have a right to your own TOS, that's just the way it is.

Certainly there is a case to be made for basic manners involving two people 600m in the air in a skybox, but again you can't assume that everyone is looking at SL through the same lens that you are.
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05-18-2007 09:11
From: Tybalt Brando
I am seriously getting tired of catering to the needs of people who apparently can't get laid in the RL



:rolleyes:

Some of the biggest SL nymphos I know are also nymphos IRL.

I think we need a new word

SLirgins.
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05-18-2007 09:17
From: Colette Meiji
:rolleyes:

Some of the biggest SL nymphos I know are also nymphos IRL.

I think we need a new word

SLirgins.




I started out as an escort. Got really bored with it. Seriously though, if you don't want people to come up to you, don't go in public. Not a real hard concept to work with.
Tybalt Brando
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05-18-2007 09:18
From: Egil Milner
Oh, thank you. Brilliant.

And, really, orbiting someone for standing and watching you do creepy simulated cuddling in public is incredibly childish. Too bad that we can't age-verify maturity.




Why thank you :)


And agreed. That'll just cause retaliation. And it's going to be hard to cyber while caged.
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05-18-2007 09:25
From: Cole Riel
We all know what this game is about


Absolutely. It's about scripting, building, exploring, and social networking.

That's not what you meant?

Oh, well, maybe that's because there is no single consensus about what "this game is about", huh? Maybe some of us couldn't care less about pixel sex, maybe even a whole lot of us. Maybe we don't want to see you in any public (meaning not specifically set aside for sexual purposes) place acting out your fantasies.

Maybe, just maybe, many of us want to only see that kind of thing when we specifically choose to, and not at any other time. Maybe we like exploring, and should be able to safely assume that when we see a dot on the minimap in a public area, that it's safe to go see who's there without interrupting your so-called "quality time".

Sheesh.

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05-18-2007 09:35
From: Conan Godwin
Apparently, but I never see any.
People orbit me when I try to



haha

Yeah, I don't know where you've been IRL but I've had plenty of private moments on a park bench with "someone special" that were interrupted by people walking by making conversation. I didn't push them as hard as I could (eqivalent of orbiting). I was able to either convey the idea that we wanted to be alone or we left and found somewhere else.

In fact, I was on the beach in Brasil with a girl I met there and these kids that were selling keychains would NOT leave us alone until I told them that I was about to ask her to marry me (which I wasn't). They winked and walked off!

If you want privacy, go to private areas. Don't be a griefer because you don't know where the good spots are!
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05-18-2007 09:45
From: Broccoli Curry
The name's Broccoli. Broccoli Curry. Licensed to... erm.. wrong movie sorry.

That aside, I fully understand that sex in SL does exist - but just like real life, it has a time and a place. If you decide to hop behind the sand dunes at your local beach and get jiggy, don't blame the kid chasing a frisbee that jumps over the ridge and lands with his foot on your arse.
Broccoli


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05-18-2007 09:45
From: Broccoli Curry
That aside, I fully understand that sex in SL does exist - but just like real life, it has a time and a place. If you decide to hop behind the sand dunes at your local beach and get jiggy, don't blame the kid chasing a frisbee that jumps over the ridge and lands with his foot on your arse.

You were in a public place, period, expect to be disturbed. If you don't want to be disturbed in SL, then get your own land, create your own private area, and put up the ban lines. Sorry, but that's just the way it is round these parts, and things are not going to change.

On the contrary, things will always change, just as the conventions of courtesy are constantly evolving in real life. The question is whether or not the change can be steered in a direction that improves life in SL.

If a kid chasing a frisbee happens upon a couple making out, the proper response is "sorry" and heading back to the frisbee game immediately. It is not to stand and stare, invite friends over, or whatever. But if that happens, the proper reaction, after polite requests, is to either ignore it or move, not kick sand in the faces of the onlookers.

But no matter what you do in such situations, it's unlikely that the police would get involved unless it came close to being a fist fight. Manners are not physically enforced on others, they are enforced by social convention and peer pressure. To suggest that anything that isn't against the ToS (the SL equivalent to being illegal) is ok is to assert that manners are unnecessary in real life. Saying that nothing can be done about it suggests a lack of appreciation for the way peer pressure enforces conventions without force.

From: someone

If your 'privacy' is really that important, just put up your mini-map and keep an eye out for dots on the map heading your way. You do realise that an important part of Second Life is socialising, and to do that people have to go looking for dots on the map. They have no way of knowing that you really don't want to be disturbed until they say "hello" ... I get people wander up to me all the time when I'm building, and honestly I've made some great friends out of many of them.


The novelty of SL is enough that I'm willing to concede that some people may sincerely act that way. But it isn't a huge learning curve to get to the point of recognizing semi-private activity in public areas. Building is an altogether different activity, and while personally, I would never interrupt a builder while building, it's not the sort of thing that demands the same level of privacy.
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05-18-2007 09:50
From: Cole Riel

Last night I was accompanied by someone and we sat at a corner away from everything and everyone but I got so tired of these half-wits going out of their way to walk right up to where we was for no reason other then to bother us. They had to veer all the way to the corner of the sim where we was and other then us being there, there was no reason for anyone else to go there. I asked this one person if he would excuse us I mean it didn't take a rocket scientist to see he shouldn't of been there but he refuse to move so I sent this guy up so high I believe he's still coming down as I write this. And I will continue to do this when I see they're obviously interfering for no other reason then to bother or harass. Maybe then they'll think twice about going where they don't belong.
When I see a couple, I make sure I don't go anywhere near them no matter what it is they're doing but unfortunately everyone is not the same.


When I am on my own land and I see someone on it, I go right up to them to find out what they are doing there. Even if there are 2 of them in an out-of-the-way corner.

If you did that on land I owned, you'd be perma banned.

BTW did you happen to notice the owner of the land you were having your "private moment" on?
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05-18-2007 09:52
From: Kidd Krasner


The novelty of SL is enough that I'm willing to concede that some people may sincerely act that way. But it isn't a huge learning curve to get to the point of recognizing semi-private activity in public areas. Building is an altogether different activity, and while personally, I would never interrupt a builder while building, it's not the sort of thing that demands the same level of privacy.



the thing is though there will always be noobies in Second Life - thus there will always be some people on the bottom of the learning curve.

Has anyone ever been rudely intruded on by a non noobie or non griefer? This tends to be a problem mainly with new people who are still learning their way around SL.

It also tends to bother people newer to SL also. Those who have been around knows what kinds of places they will typically have no control over.

The Original Poster should have privately IM'd the person intruding and asked him if they could be left alone. If the person wouldnt leave they should have either ignroed him and goen to ims , or TP'd to somewhere a bit more seculded.
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