* Accounts not Verified

Why did we go to having unverified accounts. I dont see many ups in benefits besides numbers look good for SL. other than that Mad Griefing going on and lots of people under 18 are here now. LL listen to your residents and please start using CC paypal verification again, All these Grid attacks are really making SL not as much fun as it used to be.I can expect more than not nowadays not to be able to log in and thats just wrong. Seems to me the only time there should be downtime is updates not at least once a day and possibly hours on end.

Because of the simple fact that people will often NOT want to sign up if they have to give their credit card details...a lot of people don't have them anyway.

Why segregate these people? Just put up with the fact that occassionally you will have to take a break of a few hours from a game. Spend that time reading a book or going for a walk!


Or even.......watch Catchphrase repeats with the sexy Roy Walker.....*purrrrr*

what ticks me off is all this bloody downtime and never any compensation for it. i'm seriously starting to wonder what i am paying for exactly when ohh right we can't log in, ohh another griefer attack, ohhh more bloody crap on the grid. this is sick now and i wouldn't be surprised how many residents will actually be leaving since they can never log in anymore
LL smarten up and fix the mess you gave to us and fix it the right way not these half jobs you put out.

Excuse me but they do the best work they can! If it wasn't for these idiot griefers then none of this would happen! If you think you can do better than LL then set up your own MMORPG.

No reason to get hostile Charlie I mean arent you a resident? Or an employee? ok fine i dont want to give my Credit card info fair enough. You can use a pay pal account its some sort of verification and all this griefing was not as bad as it is now you cant deny that.People are untraceable now. It's not fair for the rest of us either who are active citizens. And in one aspect it is there fault I understand its not my game and i fully am aware i could not do better but I do play activly in SL I use money in it i have land in the game i own a store in the game i think mine as well as other residents voices should be listened to and when the majority spoke and said no free accounts nobody listened and now our downtime is out of control and alot falls back on the unverified accounts.

I am sorry, but the old 'we did this for people without credit cards' just doesn't hold water.

Then why not offer an alternative - how about a written letter with a copy of a household bill? Something that give someone some verifiication. In this day and age there must be loads of ways.

Until people are accountable for their actions those of us who are trying to just enjoy our SL will suffer.

Most people in SL are just normal decent people (well, I am MOSTLY normal!) It is a shame that this tarnishes the whole place.

I see alot of teens on the Main Grid, I know they are teens...thier actions define it.

I made this /327/02/141947/1.html#post1304298 post to offer a solution.

make your land forbidden to unverified, bam problem solved

I'm unverified and happen to value my Internet anonymity very highly. I am an adult. I have never griefed, nor do I ever intend to. I have no problem with there being teens on the main grid; obviously if parents were concerned about their children viewing adult material they would take precautions.

I make significant contributions to the Second World, and I help my fellow residents every chance I get. I am a member of an anti-griefing group. If unverified accounts are shut down, SL will be losing at least one very productive and helpful member.

What they NEED to do is design and implement tools for dealing with the problem without denying service to those who mean no harm. I've made one suggestion that I think would help with the current replicator issues. There are plenty of other possibilities as well. I understand that people are frustrated with the situation, but I'm seeing a lot of demands like this that will unnecessarily cripple SL's growth and deny an excellent service to many very wonderful people.

This excuse works for hobbiests that run chat rooms and MUDs and stuff, but it doesn't work for LL. They "do the best work they can" but that work is being paid for by us. We have every right to demand they do a /better/ job.

I'm sure all paying members of SL can handle a little downtime, it happens. But /how/ many times has this happened in the past month? In the past week? In the past two days?

As a paying member, we expect to see problems happen, and problems solved. We do NOT expect to see problems consistantly reoccurring. We expect something to happen, something to change, something to stop these continual attacks.

That isnt bad except a lot of RL money is lost during these down times. And on top of that why not segregate the people who dont want to use there CC. If I dont have one I cant do a lot of stuff people that do have one can. And that is for a reason you dont get an account if your a screw up or a ripp off. And thats what some (not all) of these people are.If they like the game that much why not go buy a pre paid CC? I did it for my girl friend and it worked fine. It just seems to me there are a few people out there who constantly make alts and make a hobbie of taking down SL. Its a case of the rotten apple that spoiled the whole barrle. But My barrle costs 300 US so Ill toss the apple before I eat worms on this one.

The only real answer is for LL to fix the code that lets these attacks work (and that is exactly what they have said they are doing). That takes time and effort on their part and patience on ours.

Verfied is not going to change anything. It is far to easy to set up bogus verification

Does the downtime and hassel suck
you bet it does

There isn't jack we can do about it and a witch hunt is never an answer.

If you don't like unverifieds then ban them from your land. Enough ban lines go up they may get frustrated enough to leave SL or get verified.

THAT I will agree with whole-heartedly. But be aware that there is a difference between REQUIREMENTS (grid must be protected against DOS attacks) and SOLUTIONS (e.g. the suggestion that unverified accounts be eliminated). Just because some people can't envision other solutions that will meet the requirements doesn't mean they don't exist.

[sarcasm] Maybe we should ban black people, or chinese, or disabled or gays or any other group. [/sarcasm]

segregation is never an answer

Hey you got to paty to play I liked that. And again pre paid CCs now anyone can be verified violla. No discrimination and you have your annominity. In the store you have to buy a computer game if you want to play it.

While I think most reasonably unbiased people can agree that the griefing problem has increased due to the non-verified accounts, I'm not interested in segregation. And I doubt the lindens are either.

What I want to see is a quick, nondisruptive solution to these reoccuring problems.

Besides I spent $300 on my damn avie and more counting land. There are people that spent thousands making this game what it is. Im sure that unverified people contribute. But they dont own sims. If the game becomes all unvarifieyed noo one but lindens would own sims. That would blow!! And then theres the threat of a new better game comming out and taking all the clients LL couldnt satisfy.

FIrst off I am a paid player have been for years.

Second, prepaid cards just makes it that much easier for a griefer to get a verified account. They solve nothing.

The only real solution long term is in the SL software itself. If the attacks don't work they will stop.

I like the idea of making unvarified users not allowed to make scripts my self. I just wonder how much money LL will have to lose before something happens? Because they are losing it right now. And as far as pre paid goes, show mw a greifer thats gonna spend 30 bucks a pop to take SL down as a hobbie. The cheapest I can get a prep paid for is 25 bucks plus 5 for the card. I dont think it would be much of a problem

I still have not seen any figures comparing number of grief attacks to total population numbers. The opening of non verifieds has caused a population explosion. It makes sense there would be more attacks. But is it out of proportion to what it was before? I don't think we know LL hasn't ponied up the numbers.

I agree we need a solution. I just don't think killing unverified will have much in the way of results long term. It's just too easy to verify a bogus account.

After all its results we all want. Not failed solutions.

Maybe they should make it so physical objects that aren't being sat upon (like vehicles) can't cross sim borders without dropdown permission from the owner.

Then the griefer can get spammed in return if he wants to take down the grid so damn bad.

One thing I have learned over the years is people will pay for assinine things. Yeah some will plop down the money to get verified so they can grief.

try this scenario
get prepaid card on bogus info use it to verify 2 accounts. buy L$ with all the cash on it. through various means launder the money into a legit account. cash out on Lindex. buy another prepaid in another bogus info....wash rinse repeat. It it would cost alot less than you think.

Now that one I like. Kinda like spitting in the wind. LMAO

I dont know a lot about scripting. I read the wiki it was confusing. But I know something has to be done. I can feel the pulse weasken on this game daily. There are competitors out there that will snatch up this type of gamming and even pay people to greif here. Conspirisy theorys unite!!. But still its become a drag andf I spent too much and have too little.

I agree it is a drag. My family and I have 10k US$ invested in this over the years. I am no less pissed over all this than the rest of you. But we need solutions that work. Killing Unverifieds won't.