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Amity Slade
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06-14-2008 18:49
If it's too easy to steal, too easy to use stolen items, and too easy for Linden Labs to turn a blind eye to the theft, then nothing will be done to prevent it.
This may be a situation in which the only way to positively change business-as-usual is for everyone to experience a little bit of pain from business as usual. If consumers, merchants, and Linden Labs are all a little bit afraid now of losing serious time and money over these issues, maybe that's the catalyst that finally starts some serious, creative thought about fixing it.
Although, it's really hard to see what Linden Labs can do if they didn't anticipate what they were going to do to stop meaninfully prevent and stop intellectual property infringements before setting down the core code for Second Life. If there is no code for keeping the electronic paper trail now, then I can't imagine how it would be retrofitted in. But I'm not a tech expert, maybe it's possible.
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Ceka Cianci
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06-14-2008 18:53
wow this has me going crazily back and forth..now i can see why there are so many different items going away from reading that profile clip..
she must have really pissed someone off pretty bad or pissed off the wrong person lol
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Viktoria Dovgal
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06-14-2008 18:54
From: Skell Dagger Coincidence that the other main thread about items suddenly going missing is regarding sculpty textures...? That other person's shop was on the exact same sim, ALOHA FREE PARADISE, and that's the same place the counterfeit Honeydew primbabies were being sold. It can't be a coincidence.
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Stormy McCallister
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06-14-2008 18:56
I am a furniture builder in world. I did have scripts removed from my items with this sweep. Here is my thing... I try my best to run a legitimate business. I bought the MLP engine for 0 .... so it was free. As soon as I found out that the animations were pirated, I removed them from the items in my stores. I now only use quality poses from licensed sellers. I have spent thousands of Lindens on my animations. The scripts were pulled from my furniture... not the animations. The scripts were created by Miffy Fluffy... who freely says they are open source in his profile. Yes, notecards did have on the 'Creator' this Eva avi, however, they have the copyright of Miffy inside as they should. (so are open source) I want to use legitimate scripts in my furniture. I do not mind paying others that are the content creators and I pay them often and generously. My question is... if the scripts themselves are open source and free to be used by all, then why were mine pulled? I did not use the pirated animations or a pirated script. (it is again.... open source) I need to know the best way to ensure i am using legitimate scripts so that my customers will not be left in the future with items that do not work. I totally support rights for content creators. My concern is that even though I tried everything to verify that my items were legitimate... I still got hit. This is a hit on my business as much as someone who steals scripts is a hit on the scriptors business or any other content creator. I need to know the fastest, safest and most legitimate way to get my customers functioning furniture. The reply I got from Linden was the same as others are saying... replace with one from my inventory. I have no way of ensuring to my customers that this will not happen again if I do that. I understand there are no certainties in any business, but I do wish to research before I just drop them another piece of furniture.
I will greatly appreciate any help on this either through reply here or by an im in world.
Thank you, Stormy
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Darkness Anubis
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06-14-2008 19:01
From: Stormy McCallister I am a furniture builder in world. I did have scripts removed from my items with this sweep. Here is my thing... I try my best to run a legitimate business. I bought the MLP engine for 0 .... so it was free. As soon as I found out that the animations were pirated, I removed them from the items in my stores. I now only use quality poses from licensed sellers. I have spent thousands of Lindens on my animations. The scripts were pulled from my furniture... not the animations. The scripts were created by Miffy Fluffy... who freely says they are open source in his profile. Yes, notecards did have on the 'Creator' this Eva avi, however, they have the copyright of Miffy inside as they should. (so are open source) I want to use legitimate scripts in my furniture. I do not mind paying others that are the content creators and I pay them often and generously. My question is... if the scripts themselves are open source and free to be used by all, then why were mine pulled? I did not use the pirated animations or a pirated script. (it is again.... open source) I need to know the best way to ensure i am using legitimate scripts so that my customers will not be left in the future with items that do not work. I totally support rights for content creators. My concern is that even though I tried everything to verify that my items were legitimate... I still got hit. This is a hit on my business as much as someone who steals scripts is a hit on the scriptors business or any other content creator. I need to know the fastest, safest and most legitimate way to get my customers functioning furniture. The reply I got from Linden was the same as others are saying... replace with one from my inventory. I have no way of ensuring to my customers that this will not happen again if I do that. I understand there are no certainties in any business, but I do wish to research before I just drop them another piece of furniture. I will greatly appreciate any help on this either through reply here or by an im in world. Thank you, Stormy The thing is if the lindens are saying replace from one in inventory and that works. THen how is the removal of the in world stuff solving anything. People rez new copies and go on. I am dubious that replacing from inventory works however as I have heard of at least one creator caught in the same trap. Purchased sculpt textures in good faith. Used them in a build. Build now will not rez from her inventory.
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Kitty Barnett
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06-14-2008 19:01
From: Stormy McCallister I need to know the best way to ensure i am using legitimate scripts so that my customers will not be left in the future with items that do not work. Copy/paste the scripts you have into a new script asset that you created and you should be fine, there's nothing actually wrong with the script. *points down.. and notecards too apparantly  * Basically anything that would have her name as the creator needs replacing to be sure you're fine.
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Johnnie Carling
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06-14-2008 19:02
From: Stormy McCallister I need to know the fastest, safest and most legitimate way to get my customers functioning furniture.
The best way (and what i'm doing) is to open every script/notecard in the MLP scripts and copy and paste them into new scripts/notecards so you are listed as the creator. *edit* And the prim ball, and the script in it.
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Stormy McCallister
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06-14-2008 19:03
All of my items rez from my inventory and still work. It was only items in world that were stripped of the scripts.
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Darkness Anubis
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06-14-2008 19:07
From: Stormy McCallister All of my items rez from my inventory and still work. It was only items in world that were stripped of the scripts. Maybe it is just the stolen sculpts that wont rez. I hav eno way of knowing for sure.
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Johnnie Carling
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06-14-2008 19:08
From: Stormy McCallister All of my items rez from my inventory and still work. It was only items in world that were stripped of the scripts. but for how long? As we don't know the reason for this purge, who is to say it will not happen again? Play it save and copy them. 
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Tegg Bode
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06-14-2008 19:10
From: Amity Slade So I have discovered that I have one of these beds in my inventory. It shows "Eva Capalini" as the creator, and contains animations with names listed as stolen by someone earlier in the thread. It's just been sitting in my inventory for a long time because, quite frankly, I don't like the bed. (And even knowing the work of some of the animators listed, and generally knowing them to do good work, the animations that were apparently stolen for the bed weren't the best animations to be stolen.) Of course, I had to rez it to verify that it was the contraband bed. So I'm still able to rez and use freely the object. So I seem to have exactly what was stolen and at issue here. So there is no way for Linden Labs to identify that this is in my inventory and delete it? I mean, Second Life has just eaten some of my legitimate inventory before. Linden Labs can't get out something that shouldn't be there? And the current policy is just that I can re-rez it (if I wanted to rez it) to my hearts content after Linden Labs does its initial sweep of getting it off the grid? Wow, Linden Labs just has no way to enforce its intellectual property policies. That's shameful. I'm going to just hope that we haven't heard the full story, and that deleting it from the grid was phase one, and deleting it from inventories will be the soon-to-be-implemented phase two. I suspect as someone said it could be happening now searching each active residens inventory one by one at a crawl deleteing in the background as some people like Cristalle may have lost the original they used to put 50 beds out too, or maybe nobody would put them out either knowing they may get deleted in a weekly wipe. I could be wrong but I thought a couple of animations dissappeared from my ZHAO a few weeks ago, they were freebie ones I got some where and I started gettin eror messages saying "landing annimation not found" or something similar so I oppened the config and found the file it was looking for wasn't in the HUD, so I just picked an animation from another set in instead as I have 2 animation notecardsin the Zhao, one for a walking action and one for kangaroo hopping with a mixmash of animations chosen from different freebies and combat AO's
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Amity Slade
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06-14-2008 19:12
From: Stormy McCallister I need to know the best way to ensure i am using legitimate scripts so that my customers will not be left in the future with items that do not work.
As has been said, if you still have the scripts in inventory, you can just cut-and-paste the old script into a new. You could also get the MLP scripts from Miffy Fluffy directly. Same scripts (apparently), real creator. Just Search on Miffy Fluffy, go to Picks in the Profile, and there's a teleport to the original MLP. Personally, as someone who almost maybe might start selling animation products, I'd rather than Miffy Fluffy's name on the scripts rather than my own, since I wouldn't want customer to expect me to support MLP (or other script system if I use another that I didn't create).
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Macphisto Angelus
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06-14-2008 19:14
From: Stormy McCallister All of my items rez from my inventory and still work. It was only items in world that were stripped of the scripts. Yes, that is has it has been reported. Follow the advice above, copy/paste and get rid of any signs of that other person from the items. Also all creators that use full perm animations bought by the original creators (EX. Craig Altman) be sure when you buy them you make a folder for your full perms. Copy the animations into another folder (labeled something like Perm'd Copies) and uncheck the full perms so that when you place them in your items they will not go out full perm. That is well known by seasoned creators, but some newer ones may not remember that trick.
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Johnnie Carling
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06-14-2008 19:19
From: Amity Slade You could also get the MLP scripts from Miffy Fluffy directly. Same scripts (apparently), real creator. Just Search on Miffy Fluffy, go to Picks in the Profile, and there's a teleport to the original MLP.
Last time i checked (last fall)... Miffy no longer has the MLP scrips out... just his Xpose system. (btw xpose rocks, but the licensing system is a handful IMHO)
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Amity Slade
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06-14-2008 19:21
From: Johnnie Carling Last time i checked (last fall)... Miffy no longer has the MLP scrips out... just his Xpose system. (btw xpose rocks, but the licensing system is a handful IMHO) I just followed the MLP link in his profile, and the MLP is still sitting there. It mentions in his Picks that he doesn't support MLP, but if you follow the teleport link under MLP, the MLP is still there and available. (I say still there because it looks like same place where I got the MLP. It's not the same place where Xpose is.)
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Ceka Cianci
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06-14-2008 19:24
i just thought of something..i wonder what percent of the free sex clubs are feeling this right now..Oo
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Johnnie Carling
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06-14-2008 19:33
Good  I stand corrected  ))
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Qie Niangao
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06-14-2008 19:40
Plan B:
1. Rez Rocket Launcher from Library folder. 2. Observe permissions and creators of prims, notecard, and script.
Moral dilemma: 3a. "Repurpose" these to build replacement sex bed prims, notecard, and scripts. 3b. Rename to "SexGen Rocket Launcher" and leave overnight.
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3Ring Binder
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06-14-2008 19:43
From: Kitty Barnett How would get the uploader's name off of a texture that's applied to a prim? Inspect only shows who created the prim, nothing else. acquire and/or make your own textures. don't buy them inworld.
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Hypatia Callisto
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06-14-2008 20:14
From: Amity Slade As has been said, if you still have the scripts in inventory, you can just cut-and-paste the old script into a new.
You could also get the MLP scripts from Miffy Fluffy directly. Same scripts (apparently), real creator. Just Search on Miffy Fluffy, go to Picks in the Profile, and there's a teleport to the original MLP.
Personally, as someone who almost maybe might start selling animation products, I'd rather than Miffy Fluffy's name on the scripts rather than my own, since I wouldn't want customer to expect me to support MLP (or other script system if I use another that I didn't create). actually, as its open source, you're supposed to support this script, it comes with no support from the creator unless you pay him a fee. And then he will support you, not the customers. I've used MLP and modded it for my own needs for quite some time now, and I support my mods, I can't expect Miffy Fluffy to support a script I've hacked around on.
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Metaforest Cheetah
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06-14-2008 20:16
From: 3Ring Binder acquire and/or make your own textures. don't buy them inworld. There have been cases where DMCA was used to shut down texture thieves who uploaded textures from off-world libraries.... In one case a long time texture vendor was found to have been pirating an off-world source from nearly day one. To be safe one must create their own textures or use libs from trusted(?) sources like the lindens.... With no way to authenticate a texture's original source even the gnubie texture libs are an iffy resource. :/ To avoid having creations nuked in a future DMCA takedown.... one needs to have a chain of custody for the elements of the work.... anything that doesn't pass muster should not be used in a commercial product... Scripters: avoid looking at other's work... my personal approach is to reject any offer now to look at someone else script work... I refuse on the basis that I could later be accused of infringement if something I write later could be construed to have come, in part, from having viewed a readable source for someone else's work. True or not... by refusing to examine third party scripts I can be sure that my work will withstand any such attack. I have already seen this happen amongst weapons developers fighting over market share... and it's gonna get worse before it settles out.
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Isablan Neva
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06-14-2008 20:27
I had been playing with Lear Cale's MLPV2 for the past couple of days and I just checked the prims I had out for testing and damned if the scripts aren't gone. A new copy rezzed from inventory is still good.
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Macphisto Angelus
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06-14-2008 20:34
I remember when that texture seller was found to be using stuffed grabbed from the net. That is why I stick with only textures from a place I know that the texture maker does her own work. (Lauren Fox) This does not mean she is the only texture artist that is honest, but I find her safe to deal with and don't worry about my textures going poof someday. As for the first MLP script it can be found here on the forums: /15/39/106798/1.htmlThese are the terms for using the scripts: From: someone The BSD Licence allows anybody to use the source code, in any manner they wish, providing that they provide the copyright notice above on further distributions. So it's totally free, however if you like it, I would be very happy if you donate any L$ (even L$1 as a thank you). If you're using significant parts of this code in commercial products, I would appreciate if you donate me L$1 for each sold product (or more) I won't give support, however I'll make an exception for end-users that donated L$1000 or more (for commercial support, custom versions, contact me). To donate, go to my profile (Find - People - Miffy Fluffy) and use the "Pay..." button, thanks!
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Hypatia Callisto
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06-14-2008 21:10
From: Qie Niangao Right, but in this case, merchants were selling perfectly valid scripts written by a reputable source but with a "creator" whose content was blacklisted. (Correctly or incorrectly--I don't know E.C. nor what the details were behind the blacklisting.) This is why you should copy all your scripts to *notecards* and copy them into scripts you have made yourself. When transferring them - be sure to make them *no mod* so people can't edit your scripts in a malicious way. If someone wants the open source, give it to them on *notecards* and they should at least have enough experience to copy paste to a new script. 
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Mily Sartre
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06-14-2008 21:43
I've been finding out bits of information here and there, as the promised Blog announcement hasnt been posted. From what I know now, its not just the EC stuff that has been blacklisted, but many other things that were copyboted. As I said before, I was called yesterday to a sim because some of my furniture had been copied and was being sold with another creator and another owner (both french) When I got there, there were a lot of known creators as well seeing how their things were being sold (undersold) there showing somebody else as creator. The store where I was only had baby things. Furniture, clothes, babies of course, rugs, and so on. The place sounded familiar, but didnt pay much atention to that as I was inspecting my items displayed there with another type of textures (blank with dark colors), but the items were mine, including flaws I recogniced. I opened live chat, asked for help, if a Linden could come and see what was happening and close down the place. I was told no, they couldnt do anything, even if they believed what was happening, that we should file an AR and then a DMCA report. I cammed a bit around the place and saw a shoe store, didnt recognice who could be the creator, then there was hair, known creator, which I know as I am her customer. The sim was totally full of different things. We started talking and concluded that being both owner and creator french there was little we could do as far as getting them. All of a sudden, the sim went down and hasnt been up since. Today I woke up with all scripts being used in the furniture were gone along with the notecards. I opened live chat again, one Linden told me they had done it and it had something to do with copying, but didnt say more, just that there would be an official announcement in the blog. Started rezzing things from my inventory and most were ok, but some made a blue window pop up saying they were blacklisted. That's when I remembered why that place sounded familiar, I had gone there a couple of weeks ago to buy some sculpted maps. I went to what seemed a legal store, paid for textures and went back home. The textures were not cheap, the packs ranged from 800 to 1000, which is not cheap for textures. I only used one of them to make some cushions for a sofa, which I am still afraid to rezz because of all the work I put in it LOL. The scripts, as I said before were bought at slex, usually I go there when I need something like that, as I try to avoid laggy places and its much more easier to see in slex. The scripts came in a pack with a lot of animations, I really didnt care for the animations, but for the menu script. What I wonder now is..... if they could delete all scripts and notecards for those specific creators, why can't they delete also the scripts that are against TOS like the ones used in the copybot? why are they allowing this to grow into something that's now unmanageable as we now dont know what's legal and what's not? I bought in good faith in a place that I thought was a trustworthy vendor, I had to work to replace whatever work was lost, I had to replace the items that customers had bought in good faith also, and I feel totally unsupported by LL. I would smile at the loss of the script, the textures or whatever if I had the security that with this my creations were safe also, but it seems they only went after one script, and not to the root of the problem, content theft.
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