Sex Gen Removed!

The MLP script in question was not stolen. It's open source, and anyone can use it. You can paste it into your own blank script if you like, which is what Eva Capalini did, quite legally. Many people happened to have in their furniture that specific open source script that she had used, and when all of her content, infringing or not, was removed, those scripts vanished as well. It just happened that many people were using a copy of the script that Eva Capalini had created inworld; it could have been anyone else that pasted the code into a new script and then done something bad enough to have their content removed.

The script itself was not stolen.

Right now, there is nothing you can do about it. Yeah, you can rez a new copy of the original set of scripts and copy/paste them into new scripts that don't list Eva as creator and get your products back out on the market. However, there is no guarantee that any derivative work using those original scripts is going to be ok next week or the week after - we all just do not know what exactly has been infringed upon yet. Secondly, if you were using the stolen animations then you are still re-opening your business using stolen content, regardless that you "paid" $100L for those animations in good faith.

The appropriate thing to do is to STOP selling anything that has been exposed as being pirated in this thread, that includes anything using animations stolen and resold without permission. If you are going to go ahead and use those animations, the honorable thing to do is to pay the original animator a large sum of money (at least $10k L) as a token for the fact that you are going to use animations that you know were stolen in the first place.

For people using the textures that were stolen, the best thing to do is contact someone like Cel Edman to recreate the shapes or to find the original creator of the sculpty textures so you can buy them legitimatley. Then rebuild your items and take care of customer service.

Anyone using the MLP system for furniture is really SOL right now until it is revealed exactly what in the scripts is subject to copyright infringement. I would expect that a replacement product will be available from either Miffy Fluffy or Lear Cale as soon as they themselves are advised of what is infringing - they can't move until LL tells them what the specific issues are so they can work around them.

Linden Lab facilitated this piracy.

More than a year ago, Stroker was obligated to intiate legal action with LL, to subpoena the personal information of those who were in infringement. Yet they still allowed the piracy to take place to this date. This tells me, the do not respect creators in the least, by doubting the validity of their claims, even when presented with evidence.

Flawed permissions and copybots were allowed to perform this infringement.

Anyone purchasing these products within the last year, is the direct result of Linden inaction to piracy, LL merely chose to ignore the notices and warnings from the original creator. Only by court order, did LL act, which only goes to show, they only care about consumer or creator rights when push comes to shove.

I have no sympathy for anyone buying illegal copies. My offline IMs are flooded with complaints about people who paid money for my free dance machine. My dance machine's EULA, specifically states, the original creator must be clearly displayed, permission must not be locked and every object must be made "Free to Copy". There are thousands, possibly tens of thousands of illegal copies being sold as we speak. The dance machine has been exploited in the past with permissions abuse, where scammers changed the code to a money event and had their accounts drained as result. I received numerous complaints and demands to refund money stolen by someone else. What really angers me, is LL knew it was being abused and changed the color of the money dialog, yet did nothing to curb the ongoing piracy itself.

The main reason why many people buy a knock-off over an OEM product is because of their own "cheapskate" shopping policies. You get what you pay for. Those who are unaware of knock-offs, are victims of Linden facilitation through inaction.

The "Business in a Box" model STINKS of infringement, yet LL continues to sit on their hands with regard to IP rights and end user agreements. Numerous people continue to buy into this scam, with the expectation of full rights and ignore the end user agreements.

SexGen is gone, but that's only the tip of the iceberg.

Get your head out the sand LL.

but it was being -resold- without proper license to, isn't this correct?

No. It was perfectly legal (within the licensing terms) to sell the scripts.

Assuming that all of this is true and not just a "borked database", then this amateur company--LL-- has no business being in business.

They are so out of touch with reality that they can't even think through, the most obvious of eventualities and do the right thing.

They should have made a $$ license deal with Sex Gen (OR WHATEVER) and left the content as is.

OK LL, ROLL it back morons---before you really get hit with a lawsuit that will end your reign of terror.

I've been thinking about this, and it seems there's no single list of items that their creators *know* have been stolen, such as the list of stolen animations given earlier in this thread.

It would need a great deal of policing, and a lot more brainstorming put into it than my initial thoughts, but what about a blog where content creators could either post the names (and appropriate screenshots, where applicable, plus advice such as "look for this mole in this place on the skin," etc), OR post the names of their content which they have released for legitimate re-use. No names of suspected content thieves posted; just the names (and alternative names found inworld) of the stolen items.

Yes, there would be potential for abusing such a system, but maybe a group of creators could get together and consider how it could be made as watertight as possible. Because right now there is no central place where residents can check to see if anything in their inventory might be stolen, and therefore possibly vanish at a later date.

Thoughts? Ideas? Brickbats?

Too bad this doesn't have anything to do with SexGen in this particular instance.

The individual states in the United States actually tend to have great consumer protection laws. The problem is that most Americans don't have a great education in basic civics, especially when it comes to state and local civics (as opposed to federal). Consumer protection laws are vastly under-used everywhere in the United States simply because most Americans don't know that they exist.

As if anyone here even knows what happened.

The scripts themselves were not stolen, Maddddyyy, in fact they are open source scripts free in the script library for any one to use. That is why so many here are angered by this callous move by LL without warning and on a weekend to boot. Some versions of the scripts simply had her name on them while the script itself was in its entirety the work of Miffy Fluffy. They do not differ from any other version of Miffy's scripts that are present in world.

If I pass you a copy of a "rotation" script from my inventory library and then Linden lab removes those scripts from every item in world that has it with "my name on it" and you have been using the copy I gave you ...where then is the logic in this?

Yes people have a good right to be angry.

Considering what is being reported as lost, including my own personal experience, it has nothing to do with SexGen. The improper title of this thread merely shows the way people are making the trademarked term SexGen synonymous with any sexbed.

oh, so this is more about the using of unlicensed copiable animations? (just trying to rewrap the actual problem, lol it's getting lost in the muddle)

(but without having a 'statement' of some kind from the original claimant, this is all just a lot of speculation for now.)

No one knows what happened or why. All that is known is lots of stuff is missing. Now if it's just a "Borking." then fine that is somewhat forgivable, but if it an action taken by LL, then it is idiotic, no matter what the motivation was.

It's not even that - not in this thread, anyway. An individual's (Eve someone) creations were hit, but it's not yet known exactly why they were hit. That's what I understand from the thread.

I have been on the end of of a copybotted/stolen item, and having rl trademarks i too would have required this to be actioned. Unfortunately it is the end purchaser who looses. In the UK if you buy a stolen car, and you were unawae it was stolen, the police recover the car and you loose out. So sl or Rl its always the end user. At least the mpl script is still is still in sl.
So its damge limitation time, i applaud LL for finally getting the balls to act against these thieves. This EC also had a lot of content from MANY MANY high end shops/creators. some of whom were present and had the originals next to the copies, which were DIRECT duplicates of no copy/mod whith various creators names. Unfortunately from my understanding, the mlp sat embeded inside stolen content. so it was not the mlp it self, but content bundled with mlp.

wait a sec, isn't miffy the original scriptwriter?? and this 'eva' was the infringer? to make it sound as if miffy & co. 'can't make a move until-' paints them as the offenders.

LL busy at work.

I never said MPL was stolen, but the Items bundled with the MLP were. EV was involved with more than is known here. And MPL was not the target. I agree with LL. Once again, we screamed blue murder when this copybot viewer came out and now when LL do something we still scream at them. Me wonders why i hardly post here. Lol

Strange how it looks just like you.

SexGen is not gone. To clarify yet again, the "kit" in question was a set of around 62 animations, with apparently some minor variations, that appear to have all been stolen (at least, the ones that I idenified earlier were.)

The script set used was MLP (Multi Love Pose) 1.2, by Miffy Fluffy -- an OpenSource competitor to SexGen.

I stand corrected.

My point should have been... a pirated kit is gone, but Second Life is still a cesspool of copyright infringement.

In the grand scheme of things, nothing has changed.

Prok says LL confirms to her, it is the "illegal sexgens" removed.

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Good question. I rummaged around in Inventory and found something that looks relevant--it's MLP-scripted and has the specious "SEXGEN" label--but E.C. wasn't the creator (rather, one "L. F." born 1/28/2007). Bizarrely, it rezzes as "For Sale" at L$2000, but I'm 100% sure I never bought anything like this for L$2000! And the scripts, notecards, and embedded prim show the original MLP creator. Inspect shows the box prim to have been created 10 May 2007. Anyway, inside this thing the anims and their creators are:

69_F : Parsalin Gullwing
69_M : Parsalin Gullwing
BJ_F : Parsalin Gullwing
BJ_M : Parsalin Gullwing
Chair_F : Parsalin Gullwing
Chair_M : Parsalin Gullwing
couchfidget 1 : Craig Altman
couchlay2 f2 : Craig Altman
cpose3v4 f : Craig Altman
cpose3v4 m : Craig Altman
Doggy_F : Parsalin Gullwing
Doggy_M : Parsalin Gullwing
fcouch lay1priority4red : Craig Altman
flay6 : Nytemyst Grace
flay18 : Nytemyst Grace
Ground_F : Parsalin Gullwing
ground_kiss_f : Johan Durant
ground_kiss_m : Johan Durant
Ground_M : Parsalin Gullwing
kiss : Damien Fate
lay : Parsalin Gullwing
lay16h : Nytemyst Grace
laying_arm_across_f : Johan Durant
laying_arm_across_m : Johan Durant
laying_makeout_f : Johan Durant
laying_makeout_m : Johan Durant
laying_neck_kiss_f : Johan Durant
laying_neck_kiss_m : Johan Durant
laying_pinned_f : Johan Durant
laying_pinned_kiss_f : Johan Durant
laying_pinned_kiss_m : Johan Durant
laying_pinned_m : Johan Durant
laying_propped_arm_f : Johan Durant
laying_propped_arm_m : Johan Durant
laying_side_side_f : Johan Durant
laying_side_side_m : Johan Durant
laying_spoon_f : Johan Durant
laying_spoon_m : Johan Durant
long-kiss-masculine : Damien Fate
lovefemale14 : Nytemyst Grace
lovefemale20b : Nytemyst Grace
lovermale14 : Nytemyst Grace
lovermale20 : Nytemyst Grace
LS 2 static F : Craig Altman
LS 2 static M : Craig Altman
Missionary_F : Parsalin Gullwing
Missionary_M : Parsalin Gullwing
Ride_F : Parsalin Gullwing
Ride_M : Parsalin Gullwing
RideB_F : Parsalin Gullwing
RideB_M : Parsalin Gullwing
rub : Parsalin Gullwing
sit on ground F v2 retime 90 F : Craig Altman
sit on ground m retime 90 M pr2 : Craig Altman
Table_F : Parsalin Gullwing
Table_M : Parsalin Gullwing
tastee : Parsalin Gullwing
taster : Parsalin Gullwing
Wall2_F : Parsalin Gullwing
Wall2_M : Parsalin Gullwing
Wall_F : Parsalin Gullwing
Wall_M : Parsalin Gullwing

For those wanting to play at home (perhaps with a re-rezzed copy of the E.C. bed), the quick-and-dirty script I made to spew this out is:

list creatorKeyNames =
    [ "9d20d21b-9205-4cba-8cda-6a50a07fb95c", "Parsalin Gullwing"
    , "02409c8a-508c-4c68-8537-6c4166d2841b", "Craig Altman"
    , "32101244-c1f2-45a7-9a1f-96dc463068d8", "Nytemyst Grace"
    , "1f3f9aea-15cd-4a6d-85c2-2e724c8c045c", "Johan Durant"
    , "03f3962d-f1a7-46cb-958f-78e80f2468e1", "Damien Fate"
    ];

default
{
    state_entry()
    {
        integer animCount = llGetInventoryNumber(INVENTORY_ANIMATION);
        integer animIdx;
        for (animIdx=0; animIdx < animCount; animIdx++)
        {
            string animName = llGetInventoryName(INVENTORY_ANIMATION, animIdx);
            string animatorKey = (string)llGetInventoryCreator(animName);
            integer animatorIdx = llListFindList(creatorKeyNames, [animatorKey]);
            if (animatorIdx == -1)
                llOwnerSay("Missing animator name for key "+animatorKey);
            else
                llOwnerSay(animName+"\t:\t"+llList2String(creatorKeyNames, animatorIdx+1));
        }
    }
}

Further caveat: In addition to not knowing if these are exactly the same ones in the E.C. bed, I don't know which if any of these anims may be public domain anyway (the Damien Fate ones, maybe?), nor if some may have had names changed (some are mod perm).

Shut up parasite.