Sex Gen Removed!

Agreed.

And what of those of us that just build/script for our own amusement and never sell anything but maybe give copies to friends? Do we have to go through some "class" too?

I'm right here in the East USA and I have never been able to find a class I could attend on my schedule.

Which may be why they dropped the idea.

Gabriele is a hell of a voice of reason, she already had me deciding my thoughts were bunk a few posts back.

*hugs* Mac your thoughts were well intentioned but I just beleive in the axiom of "You cannot code around the monkey"

LOL I can buy that logic.

More's the pity. Nor the blog, whenever it comes out. If they did, they might have a more sympathetic response when their expensive shoes won't rez and their expensive beds disappear.Unless those resellers have been remarkably unsuccessful, there are a lot more customers affected than there are resellers.But it's not just the cheap and disreputable sources that have been affected by this. Indeed, those innovative enough to have started using the improved MLP scripts are the most likely to be affected, whereas the ones least affected are those who haven't added an animation nor touched a script in the past year.

i just wish LL employees would be less hasty and impulsive, and spend a little more time researching fallout before making decisions.... on any level.

buyer beware. it's really the bottom line here.

Content is content. Why does the medium make it different? Yes, the distribution mechanisms are different, but the content is still just an expression of an idea. The notion that you can rip content from people's hands (and, eventually, their HEADS) AND make the infringer pay damages turns the whole of copyright law on its head. Hell, if that is the case, just take away the content from all the users, slap the infringer on the wrist and say "don't do dat!". Why bother to make them pay damages if you can REVERSE the damages???

See, that's the problem with the DMCA and how it is interpreted, and why it is such a controversial body of law in the first place.



Except that the law does NOT stipulate that all instances of the infringed content is supposed to be DELETED wholesale. It says that access to content can be limited or removed, but existing content not in possession by the infringer shouldn't be touched. It isn't fair to one class of media fixed in tangible form to be exempted from the very same remedy that is available for another class of media not fixed in tangible form.

I expect that a lot of this will continue to be wrangled around in the courts for years to come.

LL does not have common carrier status, though - they would be the distributor. Well, at least, given my non-lawyer situation I think that there is a definite likelihood of them being regarded as the distributor.

Hang on, I'll open a hotmail account for a new alt now, is Tegg Ginko available on the names list?

Well I logged in and checked various pieces of uh furniture that I own. So far so good, all the scripts show Miffy as creator and someone other than Eva as builder. Haven't analyzed the poses or anything. THat's next when i get a few hours. ^^

Those whole content thing has me running around in circles though. I design clothing and make about 1/2 my textures from scratch. The rest are photos of fabrics I own and a few come from creative commons sites where I carefully use on the ones labeled for OK to resell. do whatever. But it sure makes me nervous. Even worse, I know it puts a damper on ppl buying things. I don't have a large shop but everything in it is something I've made pretty much from scratch. Ppl are really thinking twice about buying these days.

LL are an amoeba? Not sure I get the relevance.

ok I have read through the posts till now, and I see alot of bashing on builders for things that many of us didn't do. I am one of the people who sold items using the scripts from EC, and I for one was using the scripting in good faith being as I got it as a full permissions script.

And before anyone starts thinking none of us builders are trying to make this right, I have personally spent about 5 hours tonight getting with people who have bought my items replacing what I was able to fix with new scripting that i recently bought to update with or refunding lindens in cases that I couldn't fix.

I can understand lindens thinking they needed to do something but I do feel that giving us a warning so we could take steps in making this adjustment easy on us and our clients would have been nice.

Anyways i am headed to bed now so tomorrow I can try to figure out a way to make the items I haven't been able to fix yet work

The fact it was a full permissions script was irrelevant - the discussion of having a non-removable license attached to assets whilst worth investigating is also irrelevant in this case.

The script came with a clear license agreement as a comment at the beginning of the script from the author with a BSD license saying that it was fine to copy, distribute, sell, use, reuse, modify the script etc. The fact that the scripts creator didn't match the scripts author in the comment was irrelevant since the license gives the right to redistribute (many of these scripts are published on the internet, such as the relevant forum on this board, and the secondlife wiki, so it is quite common for scripts to be cut and pasted in world by people other than the script author - hence the common practice of including the author in the script comment).

Anyone receiving a script with such a license notice, is acting in good faith if they then use it.

Matthew

Perhaps LL realise that "first use" wasn't a simple thing after all.

What is the "first use" of a complex mulitple prim/texture/script object? Is in the age of the oldest component (in which case just always including something from the library in the build), or the youngest component (in which case someone copyboting an earlier version can claim first use over later versions).

Also as regards scripts, textures, animations etc. the upload/creation date does not necessarily reflect the actual creation date of the script, texture, animation. Given inventory wobbles etc. most content creators will keep the originals of such things on their hard disks and re-upload them on occasion. Moreover, the following scenario is perfectly feasible:

A joins SL
A steals an image from B's website
A uploads image and sells as a texture
B joins SL
B uploads same image and sells as a texture
A challenges B
LL upholds A's challenge on the basis that A's image's first use is older than B's and disables B's account
B successfully sues LL on the basis that B was distributing the image on the web, before SL even existed.

Matthew

Yep sad due to the actions of a few we are resorting to copying RL ideas to secure our Second Lives or then again are they more aimed to secure our RL?
I guess it's part of the problems of handing out retailing licences for free with no prerequisites or identity verification.

This is the same person who on the same webpage above thinks they know enough about Torley Linden to proclaim he is female and a liability to SL?
I encourage anyone to read these pages, it's very enlightening from someone who doesn't care how offensive they are and ideals for SL revolve around early 20th century Soviet Russia.

I think this really sucks.

I used the MPL script in my own build bed, filled only with bought animations.

And unfortunately, the scripts had Eva as creator, so they are all gone. And I have to do all the changes I hade made for the menueitems and all the positioning again. I am sure this will be take 1 or 2 hours.

So what have i done wrong, dear Lindens? I used a script which stands under an open licence and you deleted that??? I mean, maybe Eva did something wrong. But to delete simply all with her as creator is a bit too easy, isn't it? Not all of her things are illegal.

this is complete bullshit ll you have ruined loads of products my scripts were open source and rewritten by lear cale but he didnt use new scripts he wrote over eva`s scripts now ll has deleted lear cales works cos it had eva`s name on it all my products are broken and now have to refund everyone.I will probaly leave sl if they dont correct this because I had added my own moddifcations to the scripts too so basicly ll have now stolen from me.To top it off the open source scripting didnt even belong to eva so how has she dmca work that she didnt even own just because we used the scripts with her name on and she copyed from miffy fluffy then rewrote ourselfs so infact have now had work stolen from us just because we didnt use a freash scripted and just over wrote hers.

can your customers modify their item they bought from you?

yes but not the scripts that were written over eva`s scripts that originaly are open source by miffy fluffy anyway and completly modded by me and lear cale ffs.This is theft.6months of work down the drain.

If you still have these scripts in an object in your inventory (or in Cale's), then you should be able to rez that object and retrieve the scripts from it: the deletion only applied to scripts in objects rezzed in world - not to scripts in object in people's inventory.

Matthew

it's just a matter of switching creator of the script right?

no everytime you rezz one it deletes the scripts .all my origanals in inv are broken too .LL has f@cked up big time alot of people are gonna leave over this one specially people like me that actually had rewritten these scripts over 6 months and now have had them stolen off me because I didnt copy and paste them to fresh scripts made by me and was usin the originals bacause i didnt think it would make a difference as they were open source.

I assume by 'own' you mean fabrics you designed and copyrighted, rather than fabrics someone else designed and copyrighted... right?

i don't understand..if they have this Eva gone from sl then why does everyone have to suffer and go through all this..isn't having her gone enough.i mean she can't make anymore money off of these things..
this script is in a lot of things and the people that have it in their things were unaware..and if it was open source script it makes it even more confusing..because you can use those in items you sell..

i mean i know there is a lot of push for content theft to be handled but to just hit a button and without a warning to everyone to prepare them for this..it's just making more crazyness and costing everyone a lot of money..it's not like people knew they had something something illegal..
she is gone and can't do anymore of this so why have everyone she scammed pay again?

EDIT: and also i wonder if we will ever see a blog notice about this..it's going on day three of this crap