Is having a Premium acct. worth it?

Getting back to the original thread...

If you end up requiring support, then I believe that the premium account is worth it. I don't use the free 512 tier any more, but the stipend covers most of the premium cost for me, and pays for a almost half of the outrageously great deal I got on some private land.

Booooo! No derailing the derailing!!!!!

ann you have not read anything i have posted, so there is no point arguing with you.

No, but you didn't answer my questions either. I simply asked HOW you know reality is absolute, how it is even POSSIBLE to know. Instead of providing a thoughtful or even vaguely interesting response, you simply declare that reality is what you say it is, and that anyone who doesn't agree with you is mentally ill. You don't even appear to understand that your entire experience and knowledge of the world around you is nothing but neural impulses in your brain... neural impulses that can be manipulated and tricked with drugs, electrical stimulation, or psychological techniques.

So let's bring this back to a more concrete level that might be within your ability to understand...

The "perception of reality" concept was brought up in a discussion of ugliness vs. beauty... that what is undeniably ugly to someone can be beautiful if perceived differently. You were the one who stated that reality was absolute, and perception is inconsequential. When applied to something as obviously opinion-based as beauty and ugliness, your statement is patently ridiculous.

Now if you really feel the need to continue arguing that beauty and ugliness are absolute and not subject to differing interpretations or opinions, please take some time to educate yourself first. I suggest reading books on philosophy, quantum mechanics, and relativistic physics. Learning the basics of Buddhism, a major world religion/philosophy, is a good place to start.



I doubt it. Elex may be argumentative in a rather unkind manner, but he usually presents logical arguments and actual evidence to support his positions.



Oooo, solipsism! Nice touch Jannae!

Nina, why don't you start by reading the Wikipedia article on Solipsism. If nothing else, this will help you understand that brilliant people throughout history have been considering the idea that "absolute reality" may not be knowable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism

Really? Are you sure? Have you been in control of my brain and eyeballs recently? Or are you making an assumption based on your perception of reality?

Me sorry.

And of the metaphysical variety, I am proud to state.

Love,
Jannae
AKA: Master of the Universe, Goddess, The Whole Enchilada

like i said, my perception of reality has the same effect as yours; none. i am aware that i am not some god, someone that knows every answer to everything and is not blinded by human perception.
the difference is that i admit it. you obviously are not reading my posts.
ive also already discussed the fact that reality has to be absolute if it is indeed to be reality, otherwise it is only perception. a person cannot have their own personal reality. that is the sign of an ill mind. do you disagree?

obviously it is my perception. in the real world these kinds of facts are a given. i did not see the need to preface my posts with the disclaimer of 'i realise the thoughts conveyed in this post are my perception of reality'. are you so unreasonable that you expect me to do that?

No, I expect you not to tell me what I have or have not done when you have absolutely no way of knowing. And I'd LIKE it if you didn't seem to feel the need to be so black-and-white about everything, but perhaps that's just my perception.

I've read all of the posts, and marvel at how much energy is being expended over something that is impossible to prove or disprove.

Perhaps I should have prefaced my last post with

you were implying that i thought 'my reality' was truth and everything else was mere perception. from that i can only come to the conclusion that you havent actually read my posts, because i was careful to not suggest such a thing.

and reality is a pretty black and white issue. something is, or it isnt. 'it is for john but isnt for bob' is not possible.

john thinks oswald shot jfk. bob does not. but they are both right.
how does the above sentance make any sense to you?

ps no time be a wikipedia warrior.

I think the point YOU'RE missing is that no one knows what 'absolute reality' is...we only have our personal perceptions of it. Since we can only view 'reality' through said personal perceptions, we are all in fact living personal realities. By your definition, then, we all also have ill minds.

No, I was implying that your perceptions aren't any more right or wrong than Ava's...or mine, or Joe Blow's over there.

_as_i_have_said_numerous_times_already i am full well aware of that.

Sure doesn't sound like it when you claim people are mentally ill if they say their perceptions don't match up with what you consider the 'norm.'

i agree.

i disagree. we are all in fact living personal perceptions, and reality does not need to refer to them for validation. reality is absolute. just because you do not believe you have crabs, that does not change the reality that you do (if indeed you do). there is no such thing as 'personal realities'.

Good try, but please prove to me that reality is absolute. I believe you are having what is termed an opinion, just as everyone else posting has on this subject.

people do that every day. the further a person moves away from what is considered to a common understanding of reality (the world is flat, radios dont steal thoughts, etc) the more likely you are to be judged mentally ill.
ive said people are mentally ill if they insist they live in an exclusive reality of their own.

give me two opposing statements, then demonstrate how both can be true without using words like 'believe and percieve'.
again, i have never tried to be the word of god or whatnot. obviously i am stating an opinion. is there a reason i need to keep mentioning that?

Thats the thing reality is absolute.

On the cosmic scheme of things you, me and everyone else are the tiniest grains of sand on a Sand covered Island in a HUGE ocean.

More of a sandbar, really, to be washed away when the Ocean whims.

as far as the entirity of existance goes, humans are pretty insignificant.

We're merely Prims stuck up the Universe's Butt.

Nice example.

OK, I really think tomatoes are disgusting, and my friend really doesn't...what's the reality there? Are they or aren't they? Do I get outvoted if the majority likes them? Wouldn't that just be consensus reality then? Or might reality in general be more complicated than that?

I agree to disagree on this, but I think there are a number of different realities...personal, societal, biological, and so on and so forth. They may be part of 'absolute' reality, but I don't believe they have to exist purely within the bounds of it.

worse all of Second Life and all other virtual worlds and the entire internets is just one Bling Earring stuck up the Universe's butt.

So far you cant even Cntrl-alt-T to move it.

Wake me up when we make it to shoe status