Will you use " Age and Identity Verification in Second Life " ?

Not right now. If it's just for porn, I don't need it. I'm all for age verification. I have my doubts about the security of this set-up, but I don't really think giving just the last four numbers of my SSN is that big a risk. Up until a few years ago, people commonly had their SSN printed on their checks and used it as an ID number on exam papers in college. My biggest reservation is, I don't see why a kid who could get someone's credit card dishonestly couldn't also get the credit card owner's driver's license and social security card out of the same wallet.

Okkkaaay then. Good day to you

Nice editing after I reply, other than adding this, I wont respond :/

I voted yes, but I actually want to know what the difference between 'Mature' and 'Adult' is before I jump. Will I not be able to go into a pose ball shop for dances if they have sexually-oriented matter as well? Are skins adult due to simple nudity? The sim I generally hang out on has very occasionally hosted sexually-oriented events in the past...does it have to be flagged as well? And so on...

LL needs to establish some guidelines, not just leave the land owners floundering. What they seem to be saying now is, "We're leaving it up to you to decide, but if it doesn't match up with our undisclosed interpretation somewhere down the line, you'll be the ones to suffer for it."

Uh, I'm totally against it. It will NOT solve the minors on the Main(Adult) Grid. I do not trust my Social Security nor Driver's License number to Linden Labs OR a 3rd party Organization in which Linden Labs is not releasing the name of. Furthermore, Residents pay enough of a fee as it is for their land and this will hinder any business transactions in Mature rated sims, even though the vendors are not Adult oriented, Like the vendor could only be selling PG cars, planes, or clothing. This will also only cause the minors to bug people on the PG sims even more.

Totally against it, it will make the problem worse. They had a good thing going with the $9.95 signup. Credit Cards used to sign up verified age and also provided funding for Linden Labs. Also, if a minor signed up under that method, the word "Fraud" comes to mind as a crime being committed.

Frankly, this whole thing reeks, there are such easier and cheaper Identification and age verification methods, this is starting to smell like an information fishing scam. They're asking for all the information a half-decent ID thief needs to steal your identity; all so you can play a game!

Why should I have to verify my age to LL or anyone else? I know how old I am. The age of other residents is not my concern.

Would have voted but not enough info from the lindens put's me in the middle of things.

So what is my point of view well simple i would do it if LL will let me play officially as a FULLY verified account because it's full identity right?
This will stop the witch hunt on unverified accounts like me it's for me the only way left to get bloody verified.... if LL also takes away the Paypal verified account crap i will be a totally happy camper and will pay my monthly fee for my account....
BTW a UK Paypal like company Called "Click and Buy" got me verified in two days even tho I have no CC..... go figure

I would vote NO if the above will not be done.... and if i have to pay for something that is all ready quit normal here in the EU.
In the Netherlands if you can't ID yourself on the street, or if you want to buy a mobile phone, or simply go to the postal office for some money (with out ATM) even with a CC you can forget it... and that applies also for visiting people, if you are a foreign citizen and you want to get Euro's with out the use of a ATM even the withdrawal of some money you must show a ID . Even shopkeepers are allowed to ask for your ID and when in doubt call the police and they may take you away to the police station or fine you for it.


Wolvie

This is also how I guess they will do it because I doubt they have the social securtiy numbers of the entire USA on file.

I will not be handing over such information to some company I never heard of, that by the way, sells such information to political organizations as their other business.

http://www.aristotle.com

I don't hand over my SSN to view hardcore porn on the internet, I sure as hell am not going to do it to see a bunch of naughty cartoons. My credit card should be enough, if it isn't, tough luck. It's not ironclad but it's good enough for any porn site on the web, ffs.

Let me make some points:

A) A credit card is supposed to be used only by adults in the USA, AFAIK. They have kid debit cards, but that's a DEBIT card or some other kind of advance payment scheme.

B) Until now, you can use your legally obtained and used credit card to register on SL. If you are obeying the law and it's your card, then you have proved yourself to be an adult. Note I said "obeying the law".

C) LL is like the owner of a bar. The bar owner is NOT supposed to knowingly allow minors to drink alcohol in the USA until they reach the proper age. It's the BAR OWNER's responsibility and the PARENTS' responsibility to prevent this. Of course, the minor child needs to obey the law also.

D) If a minor child obtains alcohol illegally, that's a crime in my part of the USA. I"m sure in most, if not all, other states in the USA, it's also a crime.

E) Therefore, why should law-abiding adults LIKE ME have to fork over more sensitive information when I AM ALREADY OBEYING THE LAW ?

F) LL needs to prosecute minors who get on the main grid. Sorry to sound harsh, but that's a lot more logical than punishing the law obiding adults like me !

G) This scheme is like a bar owner telling me that they have to get my mother's validation of my age. I'd tell him ******* you and walk out.

please take the time to read this post about age verification.

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there is a lot the lindens are missing on this one.

Now why would I have to Verify my age again since the first time I signed up into SL using Personal Info alreadyinstead of just using my cell phone, now you want a social service number? Come on here, there are somethings that are just not cousher about that, I have a right to protect my Identy from theft, adn it seems that Steam proved how vulnrable they were to hackors, now what makes LL's think they're any better than Steam to get their grubby mits on more personal info than what they already have?

I did not read all the posts, but everyone claiming CC info keeps it to adults you are WRONG!! you can be 12 years old and buy Visa or MC gift cards that have full working numbers that will also with with SL... even the credit card companies say that people under 18 can have full authorized credit cards in their names, and to NEVER use CC info as age verification.


I think the age verification is great... I'm just hoping it works well for everyone internationally.

I hear you Steve, but to me it sounds more like:

"Ok everyone in this bar listen up! We have some reports that some of you may have gotten into this bar with FAKE ID's. If you don't mind, a staff member is going to come by your table. Please show us your ID and your credit card so that we can verify that you are not a minor."

How many posts have been created about kids on the main grid? It has been a problem for some time now. Many complain about it. Now LL is attempting to do something about it.

It will be very interesting to see how things pan out to say the least.

In a real life bar, I'd have no trouble whatsoever with that. Hopefully the kids would be smart and run the hell out. There is a rumble that the company, Integrity, that LL has chosen has ties with political list sellers. Integrity is an unknown entity to me. Verisign has been mentioned as a possible trustworthy source. Still, this should have been done on the front end by a "good bouncer". Their decision last year to throw open the gates was totally irresponsible and foolish. Yes, I said FOOLISH. Now they have to pay the piper and it's not pretty. Unless they can finesse the privacy concerns, the adult businesses are going to take a big hit from people refusing. In my younger SL days, I might wander into a strip club. Now, hell no. Ain't worth it.

Promise?
sadly I think your mistaking someone elses post with mine, and have taken a position that I said something about age when , my comment was infact that this is a general rule to verification and that Im positive it will be revised to reflect each countrys unique system for verifing age, Im not positive what your tangent with me is, but cut it out!

and I didnt edit, I added FYI but i see your trying to insight a arguement

A) in the USA you do not have to be 18+ to have a credit card with your name on it, I had one at 16. That is besides the point, as underage people can get prepaid cash cards or debit cards easily, and they are backed by Visa and MasterCard and others, and have full working CC like numbers on them. These can be used with Second Life and work fine. Anyone can go buy a $5 Visa Gift card at Wal-mart and use it to verify in SL.

F) like your Bar examples, prosecuting is not just the minors who got the alcohol, but also prosecute the ones who served it to them.

G) this scheme is not like that at all, this is simply the same as walking into a Bar and being asked to show your ID before getting in or getting alcohol. Its a little more complicated online than in person. They cant simply look you over, look at the ID, look at the picture and the dates... and be like... OK! .... they need a way without using picture ID and seeing you that it can be reasonable... and the info they are asking for is less than what i would consider reasonable. If I wanted to make a system that couldnt be easily fooled, it would require a webcam and picture ID and someone live checking it all out. I know about being carded in RL just fine, as I'm 29 but I'm 4'9" and about 90 pounds, i get accused of having fake IDs sometimes.... this system sounds even better as they wont need to see me.

No. There's not a single company out there that takes care with our personal data. Every one of the big-name players in user verification has at one point or another had their databases' compromised or had outright negligence by employee's resulting in loss of data (including the owners of our favorite game). I use disposible CC numbers for online transactions (if your CC company doesn't have this available, think about changing CC's) and I never use my debit card online (your protections are different for debit vs credit cards).

Ownership of a credit card should in and of itself be sufficient to establish that a person is of the age of majority for their location.

Using partial SSN's as an ID violates the law that established them (which states that the SSN is not to be used as proof of identification). Many states in the US utilize the SSN as the drivers license number, so that method is also insecure. Give out my passport number? Not a chance in hell there.

The methods to identify age are flawed and are not to be trusted.

This is not and should not be our problem or responsibility. Again, this "guilty until proven innocent" attitude by LL is unacceptable. I provided a CC #, I am of legal age, and until LL has a VALID reason to suspect that I am not I need no further verification. I will not verify my age through this system I will not provide any of this sensitive info. I'm appalled that they would even ask us to give another co. our address even, do you know what people can do with that info alone? Harrassment, junk mail...

what if someone signed up for LL, verifies, fits some "profile" of a terrorist (US says they don't Profile but I'm sure it happens), begins being watched by big brother, and then ends up detained for who knows how long (thanks to the Patriot act) all because they verified their age on SL? I know it is an extreme scenerio, but it seems completely plausable considering the info. requeted and the 3rd party's declaration that they fully support the current US administration.

Is this a good thing? What if the person is completely innocent but just had a kid who for whatever reason got an inkling to research terrorism for a school report but that sets up a flag for big bro. to act on.

I strongly suggest people be very suspicious of the requested info and refuse to provide it. I also suggest that those with business that have adut and non-adult info. that you have two stores, in separate regions, one with adult content and one without.

Maybe for the first time since I joined, PG land will become more valuable than mature land

This is very much an unlawful breach of privacy, they have my credit card info already mrrr..and now they wish for more? It's not like there's anything on Second Life that minors are flocking too that they can't get else where on the internet...

Porn? Google.

Cyber secks? AIM Chatrooms.

It really just seems like(espiecally with the linden charge) as a way to get money, who knows, I just know it's utterly stupid and it solves nothing.

What does it do? It keeps people who don't want to hand out their private information from being able to play a majority of the game

Does it stop minors from playing? No, not at all.

Why doesn't it stop minors? If they've gotten far enough into SL by stealing a credit card and all the nifty jazz do you think they're honestly above perhaps asking an older friend of theirs simply to verify their age? Or even more so just getting a parent to do it?

Realisticly this plan is just flawed, mrr.

Thirdly; I would like to point out that by enforcing this upon us Second Life is violating(or at least for those of us in the US) our constitutional rights.

"On March 22, 2007, U.S. District Judge Lowell A. Reed, Jr. once again struck down the Child Online Protection Act, finding the law facially violates the First and Fifth Amendments of the United States Constitution. Reed issued an order permanently enjoining the government from enforcing COPA, commenting that "perhaps we do the minors of this country harm if First Amendment protections, which they will with age inherit fully, are chipped away in the name of their protection."

This idea is crazy and will do harm to SL causing some to leave and potential hurting the economy and they want to charge money for it?? I don't get it. Another dumb move on the part of Linden Lab.

what rights do you think you have? This is their business, they can run it how they want to within the law, and what they are doing is FAR from illegal. They can require a piece of your toe nail for all I care, they can do anything they want for verification and there's nothing you can do about it other than no participate. it is your problem and responsibility because LL has made it so well within their rights. This is a company, providing a service that you are not forced to use at all in any way, and it not the federal government. Its perfectly legal, and expected for them to treat you as "guilty until proven innocent."

What I find funny is you don't like this for those reasons, but you don't mind using tons of other products that make you compromise the same exact beliefs (what do you think Microsoft thinks with all their anti-piracy stuff on their software)... you only have a problem now because you think the data is too sensitive. Well thats fine, don't use the service if you find it unacceptable.

Missy, the underlying issue is not that the data is too sensitive (it is) but that the companies involved in collecting it and using it to "verify" us have ALL had data breaches in the past (including everyone's favorite Verisign). They've shown an unwillingness to improve their security and safeguard the info we've had to entrust them with.

No thanks, I won't be verifying (yet again) my age. I haven't been carded since the early 80's - I'm not about to start again.

**Roars with laughter**

Worked in too many companies dealing with sensitive information.
Mostly run by muppets, co-ordinated by muppets and on ground level the data is handled by 'temporary' contract staff.

**Holds belly due to laughter cramps**

Not that I have anything against muppets by the way

This is very simple, I have a hard time trusting LL (or any other online entity for the matter) with my creditcard information. There is no way in hell that I will trust a 3rd party with sensitive information. Especially when I have no way of verifying that they don't keep a hidden database with all the information they're supposed to not keep.

Whats more important, I have no way to verify that the way that they are storing the data is secure. What does it matter if they wont use that information for harm when some one who will can get their hands on the information? I'd recon a database with an odd 30000(?) verified social security number entries,card numbers, and what not will fetch a really good price on the black market. And any site holding that kind of information will be a first rate target for the blackhat hackers (Please distinguish whitehats from blackhats, whitehat hackers are the good people that fix your security holes, blackhats are the evil people using the security holes for their own profit/pleasure/whatever).

Ppl...it's simple...if you don't want others to have your info...then don't comply. You won't be able to visit area's flagged as "Adult" but hey....too bad. Personally I won't use it, simply because "Adult Entertainment" on SL is pretty boring.

Mandy C