Obsession with facelights?

Hush, she's doing a splendid imitation of a cat: making sure that you've noticed them, and pretending to not care.

And cats have neither pity nor shame.

I disagree about no shame. Any cat which was made to dance the Agadoo has shame ...

Now it's owner has no shame, admittedly

I dun tink I'd ever tell anyone to turn their off, even if I do think they're generally unflattering. That would be jes rude.

Mari

Imitation? *coughs up a hairball on Snark's foot*

Do these things really work? I've not noticed anyone with them on but then again I don't look at guys and as far as females I usually look at their butts before anything else so it's possible I've missed these lights.

why this obsession with posting in a thread about being obsessed with facelights?

Yep. They do. But they can also cast a light which makes men ... how can one put this delicately ... can make a man and that which make him a man no longer "match".

Just trying to shed some light on the subject.

How many of them actually match well to begin with, though?

I didn't start this thread to knock people for wearing facelights in general. And, the only time I ever asked someone if they could turn theirs off was in my own home, with a very good friend and it was very obvious that the light included with her hair was WAY too bright and she even agreed.

My OP mentioned a girl who was lit up brighter than the Washington Monument on the Fourth of July and she was more than 10 meters away from me. All I am saying is that, if people are going to add these things to their hair or whatever to sell to the newbie masses that have no understanding of lighting implications then they should at least make an effort make the lights low intensity and short radius. And, yes, the hair maker I mentioned did keep hers quite reasonable but they were still too much for my PERSONAL liking.

I also asked "what am I missing". And, like other posters, I too misunderstood the 6 light issue. Thank you Dana for explaining that. Makes much more sense to me now.

But, even at that, I have been to places where there were enough avatars wearing facelights that is was nearly impossible NOT to be in someone's facelight radius so, yes, they do spoil the ambience of local lighting provided by the builder.

I am not a gamer, SL is the first and only MMORPG (or whatever you call them) I have ever been to so I have no idea what other games look like. And I'm not going to join WoW just to find out. If the lighting in SL is really that bad, them maybe LL does need to take a much closer look at how they deal with it.

But 6 light prims, at maximum intensity and radius, on any avatar is, in my opinion, just wrong.

If your advocating a penis light now, this is more interesting

We already had that thread.

Here: /327/a7/207756/1.html

And how would you know?

It's ok, knock them. If anything you were quite subdued. Oh, and by the way you kinda forgot to mention those who bling themselves from head to toe. These are much worse then facelights.

I'm with you, punkin'. I own three facelights. The first one has two emitters, and I made it myself. I'm quite proud of it, because it's almost the first thing I ever made in SL. It's not scripted or anything, you just wear it or take it off. The second is a three-emitter "pro" facelight system from Luxace. It's got a HUD, with tons of bells and whistles. I never wear it, unless I'm doing a photo shoot. The one I wear all the time is the MystiTool implant. It's only a single emitter, and it gives just the right amount of light to flatter the face, without attracting a swarm of insects.

I'm pro-facelight, until they improve the ambient lighting around here. But in moderation, please! And the hair-makers have no business putting them in their products, IMO. Not unless they also tell you how to take them out.

Oh, right, like at least half of the male population doesn't, at one time or another, decide that wandering around with their attachment attached and perky is a good idea.

That's when they are thinking with their permanently attached and less plywood based version.

I've been in SL for over a year now and for a few days had a penis in my inventory, from a freebie box, and couldn't wait to get rid of it, who knew where it had been.

Well, since this has now become the "penis light" thread, I guess I will take my leave and let this thread die on its own.

I made my final statement in post #85.

Um actually you made it then. What you mean is that you made your last MEANINGFUL statement in post #85.

We've about exhausted the original topic, don't you think? So it meanders off a new tangent...SOP for most forums. *shrug*

I tried to make that anti-light last night with epic failure. Even with 8 'black lights' they couldn't cancel out the 6 'test subject' real lights I placed around. (=_=)

What does it take for a light to cancel out another light once you cross 6?

Is there a minimum brightness needed for a light to be considered one of the 6 lights around?

Oh well... It was all in good clean fun. Back to making goofy hair for me. (^_^)y

Not really, since you have a very easy solution to the "bling madness" problem:

Right-click them, mute, right-click them again, unmute

As long as they stay within your draw distance (and as long as they don't detach/attach the blinging attachment) you won't see it anymore .

(Muting particles when muting an avie is a feature, having them stay muted when you unmute is a bug but it's useful enough to really be a feature )

(You could turn particles off altogether of course, but in that case you can miss out on things you don't mind or want to see)

Actually, in my testing, it seems to be even better (IMHO) than this. As far as I can tell, it's some really weird function of the distance between the avatar and the light-emitting object and the radius of light emitted by that object. That is, one can stand within the lighting radius of 6 small radius lights, and yet a more distant light with a much larger radius will somehow "win" over the small radius ones, even though they're closer. In fact, if you make 6 of those large-radius lights, they will completely "eat" the light from the closer, smaller ones. (Hint: Make the big and small lights have different colors.)Well... depends what you mean by "can't see it." It doesn't illuminate you (assuming you've set the fall-off to 1.0), but you see it illuminate everything it was illuminating before, unless you've stepped into the radius of another light-emitter.

So, why does any of this matter for face lights? Well, first, *iff* they have short radii, they aren't nearly as disruptive to a build's lights as I'd understood before--and even less so than (how I understood) Dana's explanation. But second, if they have short radii, they aren't as effective as we might have expected when in an environment with lots of other, larger-radius lights. (This *might* explain why some facelights have large radii: to be more effective in competing with other lights in the environment.)

(All this said, as a matter of personal preference, I find facelights kind of counterproductive. Although I use a lot of weirdly placed and colored lights in product photography, they're purpose is to add contrast--which is exactly the opposite of what most facelights do. Rather, they're usually set to soften the impact of artifacts of the avatar mesh--which to my eyes results in a much flatter facial appearance. Not to put to fine a point on it, but: I find avatars with facelights tend to look a good bit fatter than those without.)

And since no SL discussion is complete without involving sex: the lights that would be most effective at competing with all others would be located at about the avatar's crotch--the center of the agent's bounding box. So, if you have six crotch-lights and six face-lights... well, now you know what will be lit.

I think this is because in the right conditions a facelight just makes the avatar look nice, rather than making it look lit up with a facelight. When it's used properly, you don't notice it.

I often wear a single, non-scripted facelight. I like the way it makes my avatar look on my screen; obviously I don't know how it looks on others' screens. But that's the same for every thing I make, from the textures and lights I put up in my cafe to the clothes I wear; all I can do is optimize the way they look to me.

Maybe it's vanity; I don't know. I'm certainly vain about my avatar; lots of people are. It's an opportunity to make myself look however I want, unconstrained by the same limits I have in RL. Why not be a little vain about it?