Well, I guess Ageplay is now Officially banned

And just 'cuz you say it is doesn't make it so either.

But he did hack into a system that was on US soil (a government system no less), therefore the crime did happen in the US.

No, but he violated the property as it stood on US soil by hacking into their system.

I'm no extradition expert. Just using common sense here. My bad.

I really am sickened by this whole thing.

I have read thread after thread about this topic and it still baffles me that any SANE person, regardless of their country of origin, can defend what is..and has been going on in SL in regards to this matter.
Here are my thoughts for what they are worth:

1. The depiction of Sexual acts between adults and children is wrong. It doesnt matter if it is a drawing, painting or 3d rendered game. IT IS WRONG.

2. If you are having a fantasy about having sex with a child, then you need to seek out professional help. If you are sharing your fantasy with someone else...and thus acting out your fantasy, then you BOTH need to seek professional help. If you are fantasising about children in a sexual way, and looking at child porn, then you deserve a very long sentance in a small jail cell with a 6'8 man named "crusher" who is lonely and needs "sum luvin.

3. I keep seeing words like "liberty" and "civil rights" being thrown around...you know what? If you believe that any constitution or legal document about rights or liberty was set in place to protect people who thing its fun to have sex with children.. then I think you have missed the point completely and need to take a good hard look at what you are defending.

4. People have mentioned that it is "two consenting adults" and that adults should not be banned for "roleplay". Nope... its not just "two consenting adults"... its "two very sick individuals who are fantasising about sex with children" and again..that is just plain wrong!!!

5. There is argument about SL being hosted in the US and thast German law means nothing in the US...I agree one hundred percent. That being said..you have to abide by the laws of the country you are in. I am in Australia and here, the DEPICTION of sexual acts with children is illegal whether they be real or cartoon or "pixels on a screen". So if I come across those images in my day in second life, then Australian authorities have the right to prosecute me.
I know this doesnt concern those of you that say "Australian law means nothing to me..Im not in Australia"...but it means something to mebecause I am in Australia. This whole idea of "it doesnt affect me directly therefor I am going to put my fingers in my ears, whistle the tune to the smurfs and pretend there is not a problem" is childish to say the least. CARE about your fellow humans people... it doesnt matter where you are from...or that your legal system has become so overrun by "technicalities" that you CAN actually defend someones right to want to do this sort of thing... think about what is RIGHT and what is INSANELY WRONG.

6. There have been comparissons made between adult/ child sex and two furries rubbing nasties...or rape depiction... or Gorians... ok let me make it 100% clear as to what the difference is. Only one of these acts involves PEOPLE FANTASISING ABOUT HAVING SEX WITH CHILDREN!!!!

7.It doesnt matter who is controlling the AVs...its WHAT they are controlling that is the point. Its not about sex with a small AV... its not about sex with an AV thats dressed to look cute... its about an ADULT AV having sex with a CHILD AV.

Ok... that will do me for now. I am sure I will be back to rant again...oh... aside from all of this...

IF LL DECIDES TO BAN IT... REGARDLESS OF WHY..HOW..OR WHEN, IF YOU ARE UNHAPPY WITH THEIR DECISION..LOG OFF. I for one...won't miss anyone who participates or defends this kind of thing. As my nephew used to say "Good Riddance to bad rubbish".

Alice.

Concerning the 'only pixels' statement: Strange, but pretty much every picture displayed on a pc monitor consists of pixels, I guess even illegal RL child pornography pictures consist of pixels when displayed on a screen. So this point is not really one.

1. Hate speech in SL is not banned only in public areas, and in open chat. It is banned, period. Truth is, it won't be found (and who would want to go looking for it) if it is hidden well enough, but the ban does protect the many who would not want to be in a place that allows it.

It is banned and not allowed, anywhere, everywhere, and at all. That it could still go on and not be discovered is irrelevant; what is important is the assurance that it is not allowed, and will be punished.

2. SL isn't someone's private bedroom. It is a space shared by others, just like the mall, your neighborhood park, your front yard. What you can do in your real life bedroom you can't do in those areas, because if you could, life would become unpalatable to your neighbors, forcing THEM to leave.

All things in society involve that sort of balance. SL is more akin to a public space than it is to private bedrooms.

3. Even your private island with access only is not your bedroom. It still belongs to LL, and the responsibility buck stops with them, according to just everybody.

4. Pedophiles are very active on the Internet. They will naturally be drawn to sexual age-playing groups. (And for all we know, started a lot of them.) For this pragmatic reason alone, LL is correct to dry up their well.

coco

Aaah. A breath of fresh air.

Thank you

Sorry... just looking at where you said "It's what I believe"... To me, it looks a whole lot like you are making definitive statements with no back up.
MY posts, however, speak of either personal experiences or those of others I have met. You know... research. Rather than spout off my opinions as (I'll say it again) definitive fact, which, if you look, you actually do below, I speak of things I know to be true and, if asked, can back up, rather than attack.
Let's look again, shall we?


Now. I'll ask again. WHERE is the documentation supporting your statements: "pedophiles who have worked up the courage to dabble in this is SL are FAR FAR FAR more likely to try to work up the courage to do the deed in RL", "helps to perpetuate child molestation" and "It enables the pedo's. It FEEDS the pedo's. It brings what may be a closet fetish into the light".

I'm not denying that the club in the video is paedophilic and that the people talked about in the story are paedophiles. That is not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is that not all ageplayers participate in this stuff. Not all ageplayers (even the sexual ones) trade pictures, hang out in kiddie whorehouses. Some of them just like to play with their partners.

Should picture trading, whorehouses and the like be cracked down on? HELL yes.

But painting everyone with the same brush and this hysterical "YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF PAEDOPHILES AND SHOULD BURN IN HELL BECAUSE OF (some opinion presented as absolute truth" is just. plain. wrong.

You just stated my point, actually. A little defensive here, aren't we?

Honestly, this discussion has turned into arguing for arguing's sake. There has been documented laws supporting a ban on depictions of children involved in sex, real or cartoon, so that is, in fact, illegal. LL is well within their rights to ban such ageplay. I would go so far as to say it would be their duty.

Hopefully this will make the ageplayers doing such things so mad that they'll leave. Take that sh@ somewhere else.

YES IT IS!

Oh, my god. You don't see the difference between a bunch of pixels formed by a computer program and an actual scanned photograph of an actual child?

I think if everyone would take some chill pills you'd see you agree on a lot more things than you think. Let's drop the defensiveness, agression and snarkiness and see if we can't all just get along.

Of course no place in SL is absolutely private, however there are areas where a measure of privacy is expected. If I'm in SL having sex with my wife in our house (over IM so others who happen to be around can't "hear", then that is our business alone. We're out of sight and you shouldn't camera in.

Um.. Jellin... do you actually read?

I said that I can see an avatar as a costume and not an actual representation and that others can as well. That was contradicted.

How does your response make sense?

I was speaking of specific people.

Are you calling me a liar or just trying to be clever?

I agree with that. (Though in practice, people do camera in.)

But the whole enchilada belongs to LL. They're responsible for it. In this sense, they are responsible for our bedrooms in a way they are not responsible for our real-life bedrooms.

They have the right, and the duty, and the responsibility, to make sure SL doesn't harbor either real-life pedophiles or anything which simulates real-life pedophelia.

coco

True, but an illegal activity remains such even if not shared with other users.

Someone saving his/her child porn pics in Googlemail isn't sharing, but the pics still exist and are still illegal.

This whole issue is actually very straight forward if one considers that a) sexual ageplay the depiction of children in a sexual situation (illegal in a number of ocuntries) and b) LL are an ISP providing a services where users can create and store content.

Just for the record, I'm not speaking out against the SL ageplay ban. That's LL's call and their choice.

What I AM speaking out against is all this misinformation and vilification of some innocent people.

The paedophiles in the story, trading pictures etc.? Fuck 'em.
If it were up to me, I would vote for having them kicked square in the balls, twice a day, every day.
I am 100% against paedophiles and child abusers.

However, as has been explained, over and over again, ageplay is not paedophilia, sexual ageplay is not child abuse.

Are "chill pills" legal in certain countries?

*kidding*

This is all a moot point anyway, people. LL made their call on it. No more sexual ageplay in SL. No matter how you spin it, sexual ageplayers who advertised their services were asking for trouble for almost a year now. It was only a matter of time before something happened to get LL to shut them down.

However, if some other opportunistic news organization starts showing video on their show of a trip through the GYC and screams "gay bestiality in SL" or does a tour through Iaomai and headlines it as "sex slave cult schools in SL" and the response is to call for more bans from anyone, I'm takin' names and heads.

I mean that.

Not that I'm believing that scenario would ever, ever happen. Because I have enough faith to believe that LL knows the difference between child pornographers and pedophiles, versus yiffers and kajirae, right?

Right, LL?

And it is still illegal in the United States where LL is based.

Yes they do. And I applaud them for doing it. What I don't applaud is what took them to finally take the step they did. This behavior has been debated for a while, and they weren't concerned. Only when it threatened their product directly was this action taken. They made a business decision, which is what businesses do. Spare the platitudes about saving the children. I'm fine with the decision. I'll go about my Second life. Until some Media Scumbag needs a ratings boost and decides something I do is the next Great Moral Outrage.

Sexual ageplay isn't illegal, not in the US.

Doesn't matter, seems that the consensus is to ban child av's.

I'm sure they would've done something about it as soon as they could but of course someone had to send the photos to the media instead of SL or the authorities first.

Once again, the depiction of underage people having sex is illegal. If a Child AV is not a depiction then what is it?

Um... has that been definitively proven?
The links you put up were certainly not definitive and, in fact, most didn't speak to this.

Got any more?