Selling on Xstreet just got more expensive

I would like to know this too...as of right now I have 125 inactive items that I will have to go in and individually delete...if they aren't going to charge for inactives then I could just let them sit forever.

When the time comes, I will probably just close my xssl account, even if I want to keep it. Close it so all the stuff goes away without me having to manually delete each one...then reopen it

The more I think about it, for my products that sell at least one every day on XStreet, I am going to raise the price by 10L and state in the listing why, but that the item can be purchased in world for the original price.

If LL does not permit that, I will send a notice to my group and, again, put the new LL policy in my profile. I think shoppers need to be informed as well, especially those who enjoy shopping on XStreet and all of a sudden see some of their favorite items go poof.

I have not read all the thread yet and I am probably going to get lynched for saying this...

But..I think its a good idea. I personally think some of the charges are OTT...as a new store just starting out it really does have to make me re-think some of my proposed listings...I do stand behind everything I make though, so its a toughie!

In general though I am pleased that LL are trying to structure the place, I have given up most days looking for what I need on there as searching through so much stuff that has nothing to do with what I need has become a headache. I get that thats also because their search system is slighty wacky..lol but still, most days I am a lost sale on there as I cannot find your stuff.

I mean, the other day, I saw FULL PERMS plywood boxes!! Okay so there were 5 in a pack..and all for 15L...bargain I guess??!!!

I do see both sides of what people are saying, but even on eBay there is a listing fee, which I guess is the equivalent to the new LL monthly charges to list, yes we paid commission but for a long time we were getting a free ride. I know this hurts people just starting out in business, I am one of them...but as a consumer, its the best thing for me. Also even as a seller its quite positive, maybe now people will be able to find that spectacular product you put your heart and soul and many man hours into, rather then it be swamped by hundreds of 99l Promo offers of plywood boxes

So, not only is LL jacking up prices, it's also depriving us of the only known source of plywood boxes. Great.

This is bad. Bad bad bad.

Haha!! That made me proper laugh out loud!!

LL could invest a few person-hours in improving Search. That would take care of ALL the 'problems' with the current set-up that have been cited as rationales for adding the new fees and charges.

But of course, they would not care to invest a few hours. They would not care to do that at all.

As did most of the 16 items I had for sale. All niche stuff, mostly Cthulhu Mythos related, each occasionally selling for L$9 - L$39 each. Priced that way because I felt it was fair and have no delusions about a few items being a "business." Now with the new fees, I'm forced to either raise my prices to cover them or just delete the stuff from slx. That decision is easy, LL is not going to force me to raise my prices just so they can take more from me in the process.

I do agree. I also think it would maybe of been better to say have a section for avies less then 30 days old on there, new sellers. Maybe not just avies less then 30 days in world, but maybe no matter the age of the avie, if they are just starting to sell on XS, they get 30 days grace to see if it will work for them and go under a section like "new sellers" or something..

Hmm not sure if this even makes sense..just thinking aloud!

I am what could be described as a 'small business' trader on X-Street. The items I sell [treehouses, prefabs, stages, etc] are all my own creations and of fairly high quality. However I sell only a few of my 300+ items listed per month. As such, I made a recent decision to set a whole raft of my older creations as freebies. My freebie treehouse is extremely popular. But as a promotional device it hasn't led on to a single sale of any of my other creations.

Well, it was nice while it lasted but I can't afford the X-Street service any longer and will have to remove all my creations from there before I get hit with a massive bill that I can't afford. Yes, I'm one of the genuine content traders who will be priced out of X-Street. Thanks for nothing. At least I still have my own store on the mainland which seems fairly secure.

If they're under 30 days, i'd be suspicious about anything they are selling. Not saying it can't be done but most under 30 days haven't a clue about making anything and this could also just spawn an army of "listing alts"

I'll leave my stuff listed until I get notification from LL as to when they're going to start their new pricing plan.

As for it weeding out the theives and low-quality cr*p, I will point out that I have over 20 albums of my own musical recordings on sale on X-Street. They don't exactly shift like hot cakes, *but*

1) It's all my own work and I can prove it. Anytime. Anywhere. In a court of law if need be.

2) It's higher quality musicianship than anyone else on the grid.... a claim that I'll stand by.

But, hey, seeing how I don't have the big bucks behind me I'm cast out into the wilderness. Thanks for nothing guys. Hope you enjoy your lame-ass disco, country'n'western and corporate-promoted tripe.

for those that are debating upping your priceson Xstreet to include the new fees....

The Xstreet policies state that your prices on Xstreet cannot be more than in world


which basically means...

suck it up and eat the price cos LL wants poeple to shop onXstreet where they get a nice huge chunk of the pie

As of yet i havent decided what I am going to do... i currently average around L$10,000 in sale a month from Xstreet, but with these listing fees most of that would be eaten... I could choose to unlist all my individual colours and save most of that... BUT people dont tend to buythe fat packs on Xstreet they buy the individual items

And in my case they dont tend to buy one or two colours more than the other... so I am at a loss of what to do

Right now i will likely pull everything bar my fat packs and my slippers (which i sell a lot of ) but then again i suspect that this will not cover the fees cos the fat packs wont sell and my slippers are only like 30L each.

Oh well good thing im on holidays... guess i will be listing on the other sites

No amount of boycotting xstreet is going to have any effect. None at all. LL doesn't care if everyone quits. Most likely that is the master plan anyway.

Wrong. LL allows you to add on the fees. The leeway is like 25%.

But you can charge less on xstreet if you want without penalty of course.

From

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Listing_guidelines#Anti-Competitive_or_Abusive_Behavior


Warning: Be sure to follow these guidelines when listing items. If your listing doesn't, we may remove it at our discretion, and no refunds will be issued for any removed listings. If you severely or repeatedly violate these guidelines, your Xstreet SL privileges may be revoked.

Anti-Competitive or Abusive Behavior
Examples include, but are not limited to:

Inflating prices on Xstreet SL compared to inworld or other e-commerce sites,


There is NO mention of the ability to pass on fees... this was in fact a policy before Linden Labs took over Xstreet, however when they took it over one of the thing they stated was that inflation of prices on Xstreet would be monitored and any breaches would be dealt with

I don't really care what you say. They allow you to tack on the fees. Plenty of people do and you can yell about it all day and LL isn't going to do anything about that which they allow.

funny how they mention other ecommerce sites though since it is none of their business.

Mkay, not as me I have freebies listed. Now it's gonna be L$ 10 per month per freebie?

/me sighs

Unless there will be a move to slow the amount of freebies in world or make only 'officially sanctioned' freebies available or whatever, I can't see the purpose behind this.

If it's to try and jolt the SL economy by slowing the tsunami tide of freebies out there, then I can see a logic behind it. But is this going to do that?

If this is to cut down on their clerical upkeep so to speak, by thinning the glut of freebies on XStreet SL, it doesn't seem to balance out against the loss of charity and goodwill that people were trying to spread by offering freebies to newbies in SL.

It isnt what i say

it is what their own listing guidelines say

you can choose to circumvent those guidelines and likely you will never be caught...

but considering how quick LL can be with the suspension and bannings...

Well i presonally dont intend on intenationally breaking the rules

Nope it will cost you L$99

Nah, you get the little L$10 charge if you charge for stuff. They want to whack you for ten times that if you want to give it away for nothing.

*Oh.*

Weird!

Thank you.

So $1L is $10L but $0L is $99L?

Does seem they are dissuading freebies, if so. I'd say they were dissuading unregistered people (some people think why register, if they're not spending), but you can't even send a freebie to an XStreet-unregistered av in SL. It says, "who?"

Naw the L$1 ones you get a L$10 fee PLUS get charged L$3 everytime someone buys it!!

Got to love the Lindens...

Negative income woo hooo!

I would have to pay 670L per month for a sales volume of around 400L per month.
xstreet just got less than interesting.
I shall be heading over to apez and consolidate my inworld vending machines and web-based selling at the same time.

Oh dear I don't know whether to laugh or cry - probably both. I've only just finished sorting through hundreds of entries that had to be changed because of the adult content train crash. Now I've got to take hundreds of items down.

LL's previous nasty surprises have already battered our community senseless. Between that and spending way too much time trying to re-build up traffic in woeful Zindra - 1 haven't had a moment to add more than a few items to 'the other place' with that fantastic slapt wikki - Thx LS - I hope the servers are ready to cope with the surge

So with heavy irony I say thank you LL for giving me more work just before Christmas, and the incentive to roll up my carpet and move my stuff yet again - that's life I suppose. it's what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Whilst I can see some commercial sense in what you propose I also see a great big greedy glint in the LL bean counters eyes - so don't insult our intelligence with 'better user predictive experience' that's grade one BS again. Many of us are still smarting and commercially hurting from that self same piece of propaganda earlier in the year.

So what I'm really asking for is PLEASE Roll Out Your Other Nasty Surprises - right now! so that we can get them all over with in one go - that way 'businesses and communities' will know where things are at and can plan accordingly.

I also agree with and echo Ann's earlier statement in this thread

"No amount of boycotting xstreet is going to have any effect. None at all. LL doesn't care if everyone quits. Most likely that is the master plan anyway."