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3Ring Binder
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08-28-2008 07:24
Eclectic.... mute and ignore the accusers. keep your stuff out. enjoy SL and keep on building. everyone in SL is either inspired by another SL project, or a RL one. you have done nothing wrong. take down the sign and put your freebie back. chin up and move past this.
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Cheree Bury
ChereeMotion Owner
Join date: 6 Jun 2007
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08-28-2008 07:25
Cheree's poses are awesome - I bought a few too ![]() Well, it used to take me forever to photo and box- Until the great template idea was suggested! Now snap snap ![]() heheh i went and checked out cheree's vendors too, i love her poses, damn you cheree i bought some more, lol. So worth it though ![]() I am doing the same thing , i have the photos ready to be photoshopped and then putting them into vendors, joy oh joy. Thanks for the compliments. And thanks for testing my vendors for me. I always worry when I make major changes to those vendors since I do all my own scripting and those vendors are the major portion of my SL income. I had toyed with the idea of a group rebate in my inidvidual pose vendors for some time. It was this thread that finally prompted me to go ahead and code it. I enjoyed talking to both of you yesterday, as well as several others who came to help me. It is so nice getting to meet the people behind the names. Surreal has been a customer of mine for a while now, but we had never met. We had a great conversation, and I look forward to future ones. _____________________
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Cheree Bury
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08-28-2008 07:33
Eclectic.... mute and ignore the accusers. keep your stuff out. enjoy SL and keep on building. everyone in SL is either inspired by another SL project, or a RL one. you have done nothing wrong. take down the sign and put your freebie back. chin up and move past this. With the possible exception of Einstein's Theory of Relativity, everything builds upon something. If they are not identical, don't worry about it. _____________________
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Czari Zenovka
I've Had it With "PC"!
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08-28-2008 07:45
Thanks for the compliments. And thanks for testing my vendors for me. I always worry when I make major changes to those vendors since I do all my own scripting and those vendors are the major portion of my SL income. I had toyed with the idea of a group rebate in my inidvidual pose vendors for some time. It was this thread that finally prompted me to go ahead and code it. I enjoyed talking to both of you yesterday, as well as several others who came to help me. It is so nice getting to meet the people behind the names. Surreal has been a customer of mine for a while now, but we had never met. We had a great conversation, and I look forward to future ones. I knew I forgot something - I had such fun trying out your poses and thank you so much for your kind offer of a free pose from each set. ![]() In addition to the awesome poses, what really stood out for me and set your shop apart were the red "theatre type" curtains around each vendor PLUS that I could click on the curtains to move to the next pose. This allowed me to keep my cam focused on my AV without having to cam in and out to click the bottom advance buttons. But those curtains really give the shop a great ambiance!!! _____________________
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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08-28-2008 07:57
![]() I never did that... i would never ever do that. But ihave had a bunch of people yelling at me calling me a thief... telling me i use copy bot. What is the bloody point. I work had on my creations. I do not steal. Yes i use others pieces to get ideas... to see what i can improve or do different. The two items are similar but at the same time very different *sighs* And it was actually a freebie I have out. Well i took it don and replaced it with a sign stating the freebie had been removed cos a creator thought they had the intellectual rights to all items anythign like his (yes i know bad idea... ill take in down in a bit when i calm down) don't leave E, so what if it looks something like theirs, you know you did not steal it Unless it is pixel for pixel or prim for prim, there is no way it would be considered copy botted hell if just having similar items would mean that it is stealing a lot of clothing, furniture and jewelry creators not to mention everything else would be out of business _____________________
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Amaranthim Talon
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08-28-2008 08:00
<snip> In addition to the awesome poses, what really stood out for me and set your shop apart were the red "theatre type" curtains around each vendor PLUS that I could click on the curtains to move to the next pose. This allowed me to keep my cam focused on my AV without having to cam in and out to click the bottom advance buttons. But those curtains really give the shop a great ambiance!!! ABSOLUTELY!!! Exactly what I said- I think you should market the vendors themselves- it is a major annoyance when shopping to have to go thru the constant camming! _____________________
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Cheree Bury
ChereeMotion Owner
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08-28-2008 08:05
what really stood out for me and set your shop apart were the red "theatre type" curtains around each vendor PLUS that I could click on the curtains to move to the next pose. This allowed me to keep my cam focused on my AV without having to cam in and out to click the bottom advance buttons. But those curtains really give the shop a great ambiance!!! You should have seen my first store. Imagine a blue skybox with bright pink and red vendors. OMG, I hope I purged all that from my inventory. I would like to publicly thank Greg Paslong here for kicking me in the butt and making me make my shop look more professional. Sometimes you just need someone else to look at what you have built and be honest when they tell you what they think. Which is what started this epic thread to begin with, huh? _____________________
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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08-28-2008 08:05
one other thing E... remember the idea you gave me for the pinstriped pants to go with the shirts I will be releasing
well I am working on those pants, based on YOUR idea, and I am sure there are many other pinstriped pants out there, does that mean I am copying you, or someone else? nope... same thing hon, same thing you are not copying, you were inspired _____________________
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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08-28-2008 08:06
You should have seen my first store. Imagine a blue skybox with bright pink and red vendors. OMG, I hope I purged all that from my inventory. I would like to publicly thank Greg Paslong here for kicking me in the butt and making me make my shop look more professional. Sometimes you just need someone else to look at what you have built and be honest when they tell you what they think. Which is what started this epic thread to begin with, huh? I saw your shop, I too loved the red curtains, that was very cool! _____________________
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Cheree Bury
ChereeMotion Owner
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08-28-2008 08:11
ABSOLUTELY!!! Exactly what I said- I think you should market the vendors themselves- it is a major annoyance when shopping to have to go thru the constant camming! I have mixed feelings about this. I like that my vendors are unique. So I'm not sure if I would want to sell them and provide an easy way for others to have what I have. On the other hand, if I do not sell them, someone else may make something similar and sell their own. I will have to think about this one. _____________________
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Jojogirl Bailey
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08-28-2008 08:12
E - I had the exact same thing happen to me and it was devestating. I have talked to a number of others who also have had exactly the same experience. Apparently there is a portion of the SL population who feels it is their duty to identify and report any "copies" or misuse of others creations even tho the original creator has nothing to do with the complaints. I have been amazed at how many people have reported this...to the point that I almost think it is the same group of people who do this over and over...like sport for them.
Please feel free to IM me in world and we can talk. What came out of my experience was a stronger store, better creations and more success than ever mostly because I did not bow to those idiots. _____________________
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Amaranthim Talon
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08-28-2008 08:17
I have mixed feelings about this. I like that my vendors are unique. So I'm not sure if I would want to sell them and provide an easy way for others to have what I have. On the other hand, if I do not sell them, someone else may make something similar and sell their own. I will have to think about this one. Go read my IM before you continue this line of thought- discuss in group for ideas if you wish. _____________________
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Damien1 Thorne
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08-28-2008 08:23
I have mixed feelings about this. I like that my vendors are unique. So I'm not sure if I would want to sell them and provide an easy way for others to have what I have. On the other hand, if I do not sell them, someone else may make something similar and sell their own. I will have to think about this one. I haven't seen the vendors yet, but with the reviews posted here, you should sell them. It is not like you are including your products in them. It is a well designed tool. People are selling their own creations... just using your vendor to do it. _____________________
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Cheree Bury
ChereeMotion Owner
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08-28-2008 08:46
Go read my IM before you continue this line of thought- discuss in group for ideas if you wish. My IMs got capped today for the first time ever and I did not get one from you. But I will be happy to discuss this tonight in the group. _____________________
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Eclectic Wingtips
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08-28-2008 09:29
thanks evryone..... you all have helped a lot.
And dont worry i took down the sign like 20 minutes after i made it. I will likely put the freebie back out at some point... but I just cant fight right now I dont have th energy to fight. _____________________
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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08-28-2008 09:47
don't fight E, just ignore
it is very good advice that someone gave to me, if someone is getting to you, ignore/mute them it is a very wonderful tool and has helped me a lot ![]() unless you get word from LL (which we all know you won't because you did not copy) then don't worry about it *hugs* PS I am almost done with the pants, I will send you a copy when I am done for your opinion ![]() oh and those pants cuffs things, I just could not get them to work (and the creator does sell the sculpt maps, I just ain't gonna bother since they do not meet my needs) ah well they might work better as a sleeve cuff LOL _____________________
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Amaranthim Talon
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08-28-2008 10:33
Snuck in to see E's store- Wow! What a cool place
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HoneyBear Lilliehook
Owner, The Mall at Cherry
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08-28-2008 10:47
On another note: Honey? Have you thought maybe about a treasure hunt which takes place at all of our stores?? This could be a load of fun. They start off on your sim and pick up a few things. The last one has a LM to the next store where they find an item or two then a LM to the next store etc etc?? Anyway just a thought if you like the idea. Whatever you decide i would like to participate ![]() Sounds like a lot of fun. I've been on those kind before. I'm horrendously busy this weekend, but would love to meet with anyone who wants to, sometime next week, and work out some details for this thing. _____________________
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MoxZ Mokeev
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08-28-2008 11:13
don't leave E, so what if it looks something like theirs, you know you did not steal it Unless it is pixel for pixel or prim for prim, there is no way it would be considered copy botted hell if just having similar items would mean that it is stealing a lot of clothing, furniture and jewelry creators not to mention everything else would be out of business And you know what else E? People take inspiration from things on the net. I do it all the time. I find something online that I think that I might be able to replicate so I do, and damned if I don't come across something similar in another store where someone else replicated the same damn thing I did. I expect that someday soon when I get my store open, I'll run into this issue too. _____________________
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HoneyBear Lilliehook
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08-28-2008 11:19
I've also found something that someone created, and thought, I can make that better. And did. I haven't sold any yet, but that's because I've been preoccupied with my many other projects. But I anticipate an outcry by a creator at some point "hey, you stole my ....."
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HoneyBear Lilliehook
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08-28-2008 11:19
I've also found something that someone created, and thought, I can make that better. And did. I haven't sold any yet, but that's because I've been preoccupied with my many other projects. But I anticipate an outcry by a creator at some point "hey, you stole my ....."
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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08-28-2008 12:20
someone kick me, poke me, push me, I need a nudge or two
I just finished putting the items together in SL (ya know, appearance mode, add texture, rename item, and do it all again hehe) now.. I need to take the pics... *sigh* I wish I could get motivated like I used to ![]() _____________________
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HoneyBear Lilliehook
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08-28-2008 12:27
someone kick me, poke me, push me, I need a nudge or two *poke* *nudge* Rha, get busy ![]() _____________________
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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08-28-2008 12:30
*poke* *nudge* Rha, get busy ![]() lol ok ![]() later though, need a short break _____________________
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Amaranthim Talon
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08-28-2008 15:33
Bump?
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