Colette Meiji
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05-30-2007 09:19
From: Broccoli Curry I'm not getting anything twisted, it's just rather frustrating to see so many people trying to promote the view that SL is all about sex, when it's clearly wrong. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen here, but there are so many other things that people could be concentrating on and enjoying here.
I have never, ever engaged in 'pixel sex' with a stranger, and do not intend to. Those sort of things are best experienced in real life, with a real person, that you know, and actually feel something for.
Broccoli You do come off as a little paranoid about the subject of pixel sex, Broc. Even if you are 100% correct about the "Bext Sex experience" that doesnt necesarily mean its the only sex expereince possible, or even enjoyable. ----------------------- Pie's theory is reasonable to me - the main difference between the content restrictions of the teen grid and the adult grid is the sex. Therefore if the teens find it boring, It follows that its, likely becuase there is no sex. Teens generally arent much on simple sight seeing. And notoriously dont want to be put to work. Music, video games, TV, Movies, and hot guys/hot girls - are pretty much their primary interests. Even my daughter, who is a straight A student and dedicated symphonic/jazz musician is mostly interested in Rock Music, TV, movies and boys.
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Colette Meiji
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05-30-2007 09:33
I think that any concepts to merge the Adult Grid and Teen grid will be on hold depending on what happens with MySpace. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070528-myspace-age-verification-for-parents.htmlhttp://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/index.php?id=2102http://www.wxyz.com/news/story.aspx?content_id=4687e59a-5367-4cfd-9d99-ea14722ac709http://ciproud.com/content/fulltext/?sid=694134f3eda0df0ad29c53fc4b9a7118&cid=2574http://wkbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=6584512And so on, and so on. Basically after MySpace rides this Media Storm and some acceptable way of handling teens and adults online is found , then perhaps Linden Labs would be able to figure out how to merge the grids to get at all that corporate advertizing monies. Or whatever reason they are doing it, etc. Making the metaverse safe for being a metaverse instead of an online world, or whatever.
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Ace Albion
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05-31-2007 01:23
From: Broccoli Curry Quite a few of us are actually perfectly capable of doing that anyway, without having to "restrict ourselves" in case the person is underage.
Remember that SL is not just about "adult content".
Broccoli I was talking about the kind of *harmless* adult banter you get with friends on a night out. Well, maybe not you or your friends, but you know, people who have senses of humour and like fun. Also you're utterly wrong, the SL main grid is specifically, and explicitly declared an adult only platform. Of course some people can't help but see genitals waiting to jump in their face at the slightest mention of the fact that people like to be relaxed about their language. For the record I almost never, ever swear myself. But then I'm not going to get into a friendly conversation with other adults about topics like sexual orientation if I think there's a thirteen year old in the group. That's a conversation for their parent to have with them, and not something I'd be happy discussing in the presence of people under a certain age. Is that a clear enough example?
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Broccoli Curry
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05-31-2007 01:27
From: Ace Albion Also you're utterly wrong, the SL main grid is specifically, and explicitly declared an adult only platform. Adult (as in 18+) only, yes... but that doesn't mean everything *has* to be of an 'adult' nature. I think that's a point you are missing. I do have friends, we chat, we have good times. Just in a way that may be different to others. That's all. I'm not trying to stop "you" having "your" way... just asking for a little understanding that others have different feelings, standards and expectations. Broccoli
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Zephyrin Zabelin
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05-31-2007 02:32
From: Ace Albion But then I'm not going to get into a friendly conversation with other adults about topics like sexual orientation if I think there's a thirteen year old in the group. The pity is that you're probably just the very sort of responsible fair-minded adult that a 13yr old should be hearing about this sort of thing from. The more people like you avoid discussing these things in front of these adults-to-be, the more likely they are going to learn an imbalanced or inaccurate version from the school playground or the streets. Like I said before, there is a huge difference in ethic between "hearing about" and "being lured to take part in" I think it's pretty workable to have age verification for the mature areas and use the PG areas as if there might be teenagers in them. I am sure most teenagers are already familiar with most of the stuff that *should* be going on in PG areas - maybe even the occasional expletive slipping out. They will also be aware that babies don't come from the stork, so it's ok to mention that people have sex, and anything more graphical than that should not be happening in a PG area anyway.
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Pie Psaltery
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05-31-2007 04:42
From: Zephyrin Zabelin The pity is that you're probably just the very sort of responsible fair-minded adult that a 13yr old should be hearing about this sort of thing from. The more people like you avoid discussing these things in front of these adults-to-be, the more likely they are going to learn an imbalanced or inaccurate version from the school playground or the streets. Like I said before, there is a huge difference in ethic between "hearing about" and "being lured to take part in" Try telling that to the people who protest gay pride events, worried that all those queers are going to make thier child "catch gay". Try having a conversation about sexual orientation with a 13yr old without thier parents express permission and see if you don't wind up AR'd as a age-playing pervert. One of the things that drew me to SL way back in 2003 was that it labeled itself as an ADULT enviroment, and having been in TSO for longer then I care to say, the idea of being AWAY from immature teens was enormously appealing. We should start a pool... The person with the nearest date of when the TG and MG merge wins.
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Colette Meiji
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05-31-2007 05:10
From: Pie Psaltery We should start a pool... The person with the nearest date of when the TG and MG merge wins.
6 weeks after the MySpace Controversy is settled. 
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Ace Albion
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06-01-2007 01:47
Well, my point is that in my time in SL I've spent a lot of time talking with a lot of people- and many of those conversations were with academics, artists, activists- through my association with the blacklibrary, and the people who would meet there. Sometimes there was some colorful language, with adults being at ease with each other- yes the air turned blue one time when a friend needed to vent about a parking ticket, other times the whole conversations may have been around things that people just wouldn't feel comfortable, or appropriate for a child to be part of without some wider context or understanding.
Like maybe when someone is discussing their early experiences with drugs- stuff that probably would be useful for children to know, maybe, but the way conversations flow between people, ideas are suggested, etc, it's possibly too easy to imagine the wrong idea being taken away by an impressionable mind.
Or tales of drunken narrow escapes from student days- they're funny to recollect and share with friends in that "my god I was so stupid and I'm so relieved I made it out alive", but potentially horrific if a child imagines it to be a cool adventure to get themselves into.
That's the kind of issues I had in mind, not clamming up on "who has the sluttiest kajira" or whatever.
I mean a lot of these topics are things you could discuss in a PG region, because nobody is being offensive or swearing, and in theory everyone present is an adult- maybe it's a case of plausible deniability. But I wouldn't discuss topics like these in front of children, knowingly without context.
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