When did residents get permission to advertise on MOTD?

Dear Cito,

We'd just like to let you know, yes I know thats not like us, but we are trying to communicate better with our suckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hresidents, that as you are only a small merchant, you will no longer be able to place classified ads or use XStreet.

We have decided that we only want the big guys who make us lots of real money to have those facilities.

We are sure you will understand, and if you really want to be listed, well that can be arranged, just pay us much more money so you can be considered as worthy of our care and attention.

Regards,

LL Customer Abuse Dept.

There is no problem with them selling advertising in the MOTD, by itself.

The problem is that Linden Lab is simultaneously trying to make money from enticing people to spend money on making a business in Second Life, sabotages the people who try to do business there, and then claim that they have no responsibility or liability.

The deeper Linden Lab puts its hand in the residents' business pot, the easier they make it for someone to have a court ignore the TOS and hold Linden Lab legally responsible for what it does to residents in Second Life.

Linden Lab has been doing all it can to control Second Life commerce (buying XStreetSL and OnRez, stricter advertising and land use control). Linden Lab advertises even more aggressively that one can make a profit by investing time and money in SL (web site advertisements, hawking the out-of-date book on how to make money in SL on its web site, selling product placement on XStreetSL and now the MotD). They are more and more legally liable for what happens.

We read all the time more threads on how residents get ripped off by land sellers in SL, and the replies are the same: there's nothing you can do about it. Well, if Linden Lab is putting the advertisement for the land in the MotD, and not even calling it a paid advertisement, that's an endorsement from Linden Lab. Linden Lab has acquired legal liability for what happens with those land transactions.

capitalism works? Ha!

I would rather hear that from a practicing attorney who is willing to create a case and make precedent by pursuing it to a final judgment.

Are you at least an attorney?

Capitalism works like open source!

I'm not giving legal advice, nor making anyone's case for free. Be aware of your rights so you know when to take legal action. Or don't be aware of your rights, and never assert them.

Anyone can $#@% it up?

That is not what I asked. I asked if DirecTV gave these 3 VIP's you mentioned free advertising for their multi-million dollar films. Most of us here are familiar with how advertising is done, and giving them DirecTV only ads for their movies (which would normally be done through a contract with the studios and not the VIP's themselves anyway as actors do not generally own the movies they act in) is not the same as giving them free advertising because they spend $300 per month in DirecTV services.

I stay well aware of my rights, especially considering i used to be fairly politically active in my local city working on 2 different campaigns, 1 being national.

But what you said is this:



You are making a claim of a legal nature here based on Linden Lab actions. Saying "Linden lab has acquired legal liability..." for anything based on actions by LL and not statements from LL is a judgment call in the 'realm' of legal advice.

What I am saying is that you made a statement of legal liability regarding LL's actions when you have no training in the law. I just think any talk of what is legal and what is not needs to be supported first and foremost by a quote from a lawyer and not just an unqualified person saying "i see legal liability here", which is for an attorney to decide and a court to rule on.

Just sayin...

Yeah, it sucks that we're being spammed on the MOTD. However it's not some favoritism thing like Briana claims (Seriously? You're still beating that drum?).

They want to homeless to get land. Getting land = Spending money on things. Spending Money on Things = LL Makes More money.

Most of the whining in here has been due to a few people having personal problems with Adam Z or his partner. And seriously, Adam's alright. If you don't like his RL partner then aim it at him.

Yes there is. If the MOTD becomes spam, it renders MOTD practically worthless for important announcements.

Yeah, I don't know. It's a tough call.

Briefly See Spam for a land seller?

Briefly see a link by Torley on how to make trippy snapshots?

Oh hai SL6BLagfest Spam!

I don't have a prob with LL selling advertising, as long as its available to everyone on an equal basis, and not just a select few that they choose.

Whoa junior.

You are talking about history years before your time.

"Briana" is not the only one making that claim. Several of us from 2003 know the history and see the favoritism being played again ~again~.

So nice try to turn this into a "people have a personal vendetta against Adam".

Unlike you and Jive - i do not condemn people for their choices in a partner/lover/mate and start slamming them just because they are with someone i may not like or even hate, and start calling them names and banning them so they can't attend forum gatherings - again - just because they are dating someone i do not like.

So...no, this is not some personal drama issue.

Well, yeah, I guess it's theoretical since the MOTD is rarely used for anything important.

Yes yes, you've been here since the dawn of time. BFD.





Is somebody running an active tally of how many times you beat the "I've been here since 2003 drum?"



Well, after reading the thread how are you going to disagree?





Some clarification cupcake, I didn't like you before the princess. And you're right. You were banned from forum gatherings. ON MY LAND. Here's a towel, wipe away the tears and get over it.



*looks up and everything you just posted* Oh yeah, of course not /sarcasm

It's like talking to Prok, only with Piercings.

Then they should be improving the land rental search, which I don't think anyone would object to...well someone would be that's not the point.



Not sure who you're talking about but I certainly have no problem with either of them and don't see this as their fault at all, this is Linden Lab making a rather odd move.

I see its working pretty well RL -lol

There is a myth that the Second Life TOS provides Linden Lab an iron-clad defense against any action it takes affecting its customers. Someone who believes that myth who loses money to Linden Lab's actions doesn't even know to ask a lawyer what can be done, but worse doesn't know to document what could be helpful evidence before-hand. That's why I suggest ways that Linden Lab could possibily be held accountable, so people who may need to assert their rights won't feel helpless, and may actually go seek legal help.

Inducing someone to enter a contract based on fraudulent or misleading representations usually entitles the induced person to rescind the contract and/or receive damages against the inducing party. But if you don't believe that and want to tell the world not to believe that, well, up to you.

If you want to get on my case because I haven't provided you with real-life informaion to verify my credentials, I guess that's up to you. But I don't provide real-life information, so I'll just have to live with it.

Agreed, but let's face it. They're going to take the not effective easy road.





And I agree. There should not be spam in the MOTD, no matter who it's from.

Well I think this post quoted just clarified you credible opinion...

LOL, so for your reply, you bring forth "how often do i beat a 2003 drum?" (Wow didnt Joshua Nightshade try that against me on SLU? for saying 2003, 25 times in 1 year, about 4 times less than he?)

There are no tears. It is just very simple minded to bring personal grudges to a public forum gathering type of party that happens weekly. But hey, that is how you roll.

And comparing anyone to Prok is the equivalent of invoking Hitler as a comparison and rarely helps an argument or gets the point across. Bravo on that one too.

Why don't you go Plurk and whine about how you were mistreated at SLU by Nightshade - it is the only thing you have ever written worth reading. http://www.plurk.com/p/jrkn9#response-261831780

Later, Chunk.

Also, i would take it as a compliment to be compared to Prok (even though she hates me) because her vocabulary rocks.

But alas, I am not so verbally gifted, nor nearly as good as a debater.

Ah well. I'll stick with being .... what is it you called me dancin...oh ya, a "nutter".

Course lindens can do whatever they want, it's their game to do with how they wish. I don't have a problem with it, If I want to advertise my stuff I can pay them the required amount to get my name on the motd also. Since that is what's coming up being beta tested anyhow.

I think it's good as alternative to the Gamed in world search, it proves that in world search is broken, so if you wish to get your name out there, pay for a motd advertisement.

And of course it's up to individuals to ignore those ads anyhow which most do anyways.

So it's a non issue.

just have-nots whining over something they cannot control. Which is same thing gamers do when their favorite thing gets nerfed. Well the bot/camping/search gaming people are just scared they may not have another type of ad system to game.

awesome imo. make that s.o.b. cost out the ying yang and lindens could rake in a goldmine off the tards that wish to pay for front page motd ads. Which would could be used to help keep things running or whatnot.

Anyhow the system although in testing sounds interesting according to lindens posts on xstreet.

Sure, it just takes longer than %^&%&^@ing up socialism or closed source.