Automated Burglary

I opted in, with hopes of locating a rather expensive piece of equipment I lost due to my own stupidity somewhere in the sky over some sandbox (just try searching the sky over all the sandboxes you frequent. It's hopeless).

Promptly all of my results vanished. And yes, I am sure I opted in, not out.

I am not at all opposed to the sheepbot, if I set something out for sale I actually want people to find it and buy it. And I have already used it to compare prices and find things I simply could not locate with SL's botched idea of search, like a resell set of stockings I can use with the dresses I design. But I do think they still have a lot of work ahead of them to be able to drop the 'beta' warning.

I know a couple of people who definitely have not opted out, but whose objects aren't included anyway.

How do I invite a visit from the bot? Offering a free oil dispenser in addition to the bread and wine?

A lullaby and a couple of electric sheep

Just complain about it -
Murphy's law will guarantee that you will then get visited by the bot- since it seems to thrive on opting people in who dont want to be.

/sigh
i opted out and still see things im the creator of showing up

Yeah opting out will only remove things you are the owner of.

And even if you do opt out it will still scan and record all of your items it can get to. It just wont display them.

Not been following this thread since page whatever, but is there any evidence of this? Someone working for ESC said it would take at least a day to show up again if you had opted out then later opted back in.
This would mean they are not recording info on the objects, or they would show up again straight away.

Assumption of fact not in evidence. Like 95% of the posts in this thread.

One man's tool of convinience is another mans bane. I would never even have considered that such a "tool" would be able to tp into your home to rip you off before you could turn your head. And then...to add on top of it that its the sellers fault for not realizing someone has made this tool and being too trusting to the lowlifes in SL. I mean hey, when you have someone build you a huge house now, do you need to pray that when they set it to sale for you in parts that some jerkoff doesn't come in and buy 2 sections of the 6 while you blink?

I'm sorry, but if I unknowingly found myself in someones home while looking for a freebie to scoop up and resell for a profit...I would be embarassed, appologetic, remorseful that they were subject to such a rediculous search tool that would bring me INTO thier home...not gloating and telling them to pay me more if they want it back.

Its really all about morals...and that list I keep in my drawer that grows and grows *smirks* I like to believe that most people are generally good...but there are wayyyy too many who do shameless things they would never even consider doing in real life because of the consequinces they'd no doubt suffer. Its just a shame the onus is on the unsuspecting to ensure they know all the latest scams to protect themselves from people who have forgotten or never learned what being a good person is about. Sure some are just as unsuspecting as the people who found them in thier home buying thier things..but those are the ones who gracefully give it back...

Thats how it works - It scans in everones objects it can get to and then records in in the database. If you are opted out evidently it then removes your data. Does "not Index" it on their website.






You need a new "Works and gets along well with others class" Zaphod , Using a blanket accusation that calls all the people who disagree with you liars reduces your Credibility.

Not to mention the fact that if your 95% number were correct you'd be calling a lot of the people who agree with you liars as well since more than 5% of the statements in this thread are in Support of the Search Bot System.

Since it looks like the other thread on this subject was locked, before that happens on this one, I invite all of you to join me at secondcitizen.com for a continuation of this discussion under the same title, "Automated Burglary." I won't be able to post again until this evening but this subject needs to be kept active and not silenced.


I have set up the thread at
http://forums.secondcitizen.com/showthread.php?p=237685


Thanks for participating.

You my friend are a decent person with some values. Some would call you naive, as I was called for expressing similar sentiments.

Whatever, Colette. You are among the most disagreeable people participating in this thread. You absolutely refuse to even give a nod to a position that is contrary to yours. You repeat your baseless arguments again and again, and even in the post quoted below, you once again assert something which has no basis in demonstrable fact. "not indexed" could very well mean "not recorded in a database." It does not necessarily mean "recorded in a database, but not displayed" as you assert repeatedly when you have no idea whether it's factual.

I have repeatedly stated in this thread that I understand and appreciate the problems that have been created by this bot, but presented a reasonable point of view that the people behind the bot are not the corporate fed scum you are making them out to be, and eventually the system will evolve from its BETA status into something positive for the community.

If you don't like my direct tone, there is nothing I can or will do about that. I call things as I see them. If, by "works and gets along with others class", you mean that I should refrain from pointing out obvious flaws in your arguments, then I shall respectfully decline to take that class. I'm not calling you a liar, I am telling you that you are making statements that are incorrect, and have no basis in actual fact. If you were to limit your statements to just the facts, and not uninformed assumptions about the search system and the motives of the folks behind it, you yourself would have much more credibility. Disagree with me all you want, but spare me the editorialized rebuttals. Stick with the facts.

Is there any furniture left? I would like to buy some.

I agree with Brenda about your post

-Of course-
In my opinion people with manners dont design automated crawler bots and use them to poke their noses in other people's business and sniff around all their rezzed belongings grid wide looking for "sale items".

Ahh maybe thats becuase, even though everyone thinks im a Ludite - I actually know how data collection and sorting works.

I surprizingly have years of experience working with recorded data.

This bot is not going to take the time to sort the data while its collecting it. That will all be done post-processing. Just as Cory's statement suggests.

The program used to sort the data wont even be part of the bot it will be an application designed for handling data.

Brenda has already quoted this, but it's so good, I thought I'd read it again. From your lips, Kasi, to Phillip Rosedale's ears! You said it exactly right! May I be your best friend? : )

Zaphod, you argue that this is a BETA build and not the finished product. Ok, I will grant you that. But a very very large hole, exploit, bug or what ever you want to call it has been found. A company with any sense of customer service would pull the BETA until the exploit is fixed. Also, who the hell gave them permission to use me as a BETA tester of their product?
You won't find a bigger supporter of the free market than me. But a free market requires consent from all parties, not "Oh, we are now scanning your possessions and if you don't like it FU!"

I object to their entire concept - Whether they are in Beta or not wont change that. The only way it would be changed is if they didnt automatically snoop around My objects unless I told them they could.

Im more of the "Inconsiderate technophilles" as the Sheepbot runners rather than the "Corporate fed Scum" Opinion




Feel free to find flaws with my statements, I have no problem with that at all -

What I mean by not 'getting along well with others' is when your aggrivations with other posters shows through.

Such as your "getting their Jollies" comment the other day.

The 95% comment was obviously incorrect before you even said it. Even if you think every single thing much of us are saying is not based on facts - thats hardley 95% of this thread.

Those things you've said are not finding flaws with people's coments, they are something else.

Again, if this company would like to contract with me to be a beta-tester for their product, I would be happy to negotiate with them.

However, I will not be an unknowing, involuntary guinea pig.

*Conspiracy hat on* Who knows what other "Betas" are out there that we don't know about. *Conspiracy hat off, Luddite Hat back on*

test.

That's the problem, I don't know. Linden Labs gives me no confidence that they have done anything either to protect me, or that they will do something to protect me.

(Technically, a conspiracy would require the multiple groups working together. There is no secret conspiracy. There are very likely multiple projects about which we don't know that will bite someone in the ass, someone like me, sooner or later.)

For those who were here in Nov 06 during L'Affair Copybot, this shouldn't really be a surprise. When it was explained then that everything in SL is downloaded by the user client, it was only a short step to someone logging the names of those items in their hacked client and creating a database. The Sheep were merely the first to make it public that they were doing so. Who knows how many "custom" clients are running around in SL logging that same information?

hey guys...sure the owner made a mistake..but...www.sheeplabs.com is posting things up in their search without the persons permission. Basically what they are doing is roaming sims...including obviously residental areas and gathering information on items in peoples houses then posting it to their site without the owners permission.

Honestly...if someone wants to sell something..they would advdrtise it not put it in their private house. The search site also gives you direct link INTO that person's home, bypassing pretty much every security script currently available. I myself had an item bought this way without my permisison..and I didnt even know it had been set for sale. I definately didnt do it on purpose nor did I wish to sell the item but its still gone and I have no way to recover it. That link took the "buyer" right into my house, bypassing three security devices!

There really needs to be something done by LL bout this unauthorized listing and information reaping.