Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
Join date: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 8,371
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01-21-2010 07:34
From: Chokolate Latte ...Personally, if I was in a position to be able to afford to pay for a full sim to help others, I would do it by planning in advance. I would landscape and leave equal sized spaces available with limit on the size of house and maybe 350 prims each or would just build a community where the houses are already there for newbies to live with communal areas.... This! And you have just described a typical SL rental operation. The owner buys a sim, divides it up into parcels (if only so that the individual tenants can set their own music and media streams), sets out rental boxes, and starts advertising for tenants. Everyone knows how many square meters and how many prims they can use. The owner may leave the land bare, or may add community features and common areas, or even develop a complete themed build with houses and everything already in place. Or she may set out the community theme and any building restrictions in the land's Covenant. Sakura could do the same thing, but if she wants, sign up her tenants in advance, create the land user's group, and have a community of people ready to rent from Day One.
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Lissa Fimicoloud
Registered User
Join date: 29 Jul 2007
Posts: 75
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01-21-2010 08:42
To make the money and prim usage work out better and add a touch of "fair" to the whole thing: Instead of charging 100L a week, charge by number of prims used. On average (taking into account L$ fluctuations in value) on an estate the cost is 2L per week per prim. This makes it easy for the members to control their own costs (less money this week? take away some objects). The "owner" (LL only recognizes a single person as an owner - there is NO WAY to make a group the owner) must then find a way to cover the cost of "unrented" prims, but that will probably be a much smaller amount than the difference between 100L and what the people are actually using. An advantage to this is that when you have 2 people renting, one is using 1000 prims and one is using 100 prims, it is VERY common for the one using 100 to start to feel they are being ripped off when they are paying the same rate. Using either parcels or the method above helps reduce that feeling. It really helps when the sim runs out of prims and the person using only 100 tries to rez something and it fails - they won't be looking at the other person to blame.
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Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
Join date: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 8,371
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01-21-2010 09:32
I charge per prim, too...but you have to have an agreed limit, not just say, "this week I had 300 prims out, so here's $L600". I'm willing to change a tenant's prim limit and rental, but not on a weekly or daily  basis.
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Cristalle Karami
Lady of the House
Join date: 4 Dec 2006
Posts: 6,222
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01-21-2010 09:39
Vote of no confidence.
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Abigail Merlin
Child av on the lose
Join date: 25 Mar 2007
Posts: 777
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01-21-2010 10:57
From: Lindal Kidd I charge per prim, too...but you have to have an agreed limit, not just say, "this week I had 300 prims out, so here's $L600". I'm willing to change a tenant's prim limit and rental, but not on a weekly or daily  basis. I quit charging per prim long ago, to much drama about if the house is included in the prim count or not and people constantly going over the prim limit stealing prims from other tenents. not to mention securety risks becouse people can rezz and return prims from other renters land. Renting per 16 sqm is much clearer, just put the land in their name (sell for 0 or 1 L$) and SL deals with the rest.
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Jojogirl Bailey
jojo's Folly owner
Join date: 20 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,094
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01-21-2010 19:19
love the idea of being generous and helping others. but having been a land owner and manager of two sims, i can tell you that there is ALOT more to it than even just the money aspects. you need to be prepared to be available every single day or have someone else who is to address constant rental issues from your residents. everything from "i lost my couch in the air, can you find it" to "i cant pay my rent, can i pay it in another week."
the best way to do what you are proposing is buy a sim, then advertise that you are offering x amount of prims for y cost over in the section of the forums for rentals. because of the very real dangers of being scammed, which most of us have experienced in SL in one form or another, i would not recommend that anyone contribute to the initial purchase of a sim unless their name will be on the land as an actual owner. there is no other way to insure that the ownership and their investment will not be lost in the future due to such things as someone's tier fees to LL being overdue because their credit card would not work resulting in their account being suspended and their ownership of land being cancelled. these things happen all the time to all kinds of nice people in SL.
having worked on getting sponsors up front for sim purchases with a well thought out concept, written values and direction for the development, written contracts, etc, i can tell you that it is HARD to get anyone in SL or RL to give money up front for something that does not exist yet. even if every single detail is in writing and the concept is wonderful. there are just too many pitfalls to investing in something that is virtual.
most of the folks in sl who are successful and large land owners and landlords got there by starting small and expanding as they learned. i have found that to be the best for me as well. good luck to you. and my advice would be to listen well to the folks here because they are experienced and i agree with their cautions and recommendations.
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sakura Gearz
Registered User
Join date: 3 Jul 2009
Posts: 31
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01-21-2010 23:04
eh project aborted i refunded everyone who helped and donated with my new school schedule i dont know if ill have time to carry this through plus alot of the people that really needed this dont come on that much anymore im not quitting but i need to straighten some kinks so to say
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