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Tybalt Brando
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05-16-2007 07:44
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Colette Meiji
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05-16-2007 07:50
Indeed. ![]() With some modest effort, you can make about 170 USD/mo from an island at current rates. That's with 468 prims set aside for infrastructure and no more. 170 USD * 9 is 1530 USD/mo or 18360 a year. Also realise, that if SL fades a bit, and your occupancy drops from 100%, you might be lucky to make 100 USD/mo, which is 10800 a year. Or less. * * * * * So how many islands for 5000 USD/mo? 5000/170 = 29.4. That's 30 islands. 30 * 1675 USD = 50250 USD to start. 30 * 295 USD/mo is 8850 USD/mo tier. It's good to have say 90 days tier on hand: 8850 * 3 = 26550 USD. So startup (50250) + 90 days tier (26550) is 76800 USD to start. * * * * * Let's say each island has 15 tenants on average. 15 * 30 is 450 people. In my experience you'll spend about 1 hour on average 'explaining things' to a resident and another hour on average helping them settle in. 2 hrs * 450 people = 900 hours, or 22.5 40 hour weeks, slightly over 5 months. But wait! There's such a thing as resident turnover or 'churn'. This number varies from area to area, I tend to be a bit confidential about it, but let's just say 5 months is about right... except you'll be doing about 60 hr weeks not 40. * * * * * So it's 6 months later - what happened? Well, for one thing, you got most or all of your 50,000 USD down recovered. Because you charged $L 7 per meter for land. Remember, you kept 468 prims aside, and rented out 96.88% of your sims: 63492m. $L 7 * 63492 * 30 sims = $L 13,333,320. Lindex cashout: $L 13,333,320 / 266 * .965 = 48370.87 USD recovered in one shot over the course of a weekend, or even one busy Friday night! It won't even move the LindeX rate by $L 1. You effectively put down only 1879.12 USD for the sims, not 50250 USD, by the time it's over. But what of the 26550 USD you keep aside for 90 days tier reserve? Well, at 5000 a month, that's easily covered with 6 months income at full occupancy. Since you had vacancy to start, expect it recovered after about a year. * * * * * So there you go, 5100 USD/mo or 61,200 USD/year. Now taxes. You are roughly in the 30% category, so your 'take home' will be about 61,200 * .70 or 42840 USD a year cold, hard cash after a year of effort, and about 77k USD invested. And largely or fully recovered in 12 months. Not bad! I'll leave investment income/wage income definitions, incorporation, sole proprietorship or whatnot up to you. Ah, and this assumes you can make a compelling area with 468 prims per region and whatever spare social time you have left after 60 hour weeks doing the 'land' thing. And that the land market or SL doesn't implode, &c &c. And that island setup time is zero hours (takes me a few days each; 30 regions would take me 3 months) and that you will have area developers that do stuff for nothing (possible, but I pay 10's of 1000's of $L for each region to be developed myself - I'd estimate $L 1M or say 3000 to 4000 USD for that). Fun speculation, mmm? Only one thing crazier than following your dream... that's thinking you are secure making someone else rich from the confines of a cubicle your entire life! Good luck, and dare to dream. SO basically this says if you invest 80,000$ US dollars work 60+ hours a week Manage to stay in full occupancy. AND nothing goes wrong with SL ... After 6 months youll have recouped and be making 5,000 USD/month. Ahh so easy a caveman could do it. ![]() |
poopmaster Oh
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05-16-2007 07:57
You could make far better money by just calling up every RL company in the world and hope to get 1 a month, charge them 5k to build em a island and get them into SL, and then charge them 500 a month in 'tier' and support
of course my pricing is 'pure speculation' but this business plan i think would be more sound and make more money then renting out space to residents _____________________
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Yumi Murakami
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05-16-2007 08:03
SO basically this says if you invest 80,000$ US dollars work 60+ hours a week Manage to stay in full occupancy. AND nothing goes wrong with SL ... After 6 months youll have recouped and be making 5,000 USD/month. Ahh so easy a caveman could do it. ![]() The nature of business is that the market always, eventually, adjusts to eliminate easy money. |
Jackson Rickenbacker
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05-16-2007 08:53
each sim being used for its highest and best use, can yield around 500 per month, subtract the monthly tier fee, and your looking at about 200 USD per sim profit multiply that by 9 and you get 200x 9 = 1800. Thats a realistic amount of money.
In additiion to your new found job you also should get used to stress, unbeleivable stress. you should expect to work about 50-60 hours per week. Get prepared to answer a million questions that can be answered with the F1 help files. say goodbye to recreational time and enjoyment, SL will no longer be enjoyable. |
Colette Meiji
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05-16-2007 08:57
The nature of business is that the market always, eventually, adjusts to eliminate easy money. Any 80,000 dollar downpayment investment and 60+ hour work week with HUGE risk and MAYBE paying off dont count as easy. LOL |
Yumi Murakami
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05-16-2007 08:58
Any 80,000 dollar downpayment investment and 60+ hour work week with HUGE risk and MAYBE paying off dont count as easy. LOL Exactly. The market always shifts to eliminate easy money, and the market for SL land already did so long ago. |
Colette Meiji
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05-16-2007 09:04
Exactly. The market always shifts to eliminate easy money, and the market for SL land already did so long ago. very true When they open source servers, I think people will be trying again by undercutting Liden Tier prices a lot. But they will start undercutting each other and that "easy" money wont last either. |
Gillian Vuckovic
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05-16-2007 09:08
The real money is in ageplay, casinos and landbots if the number of threads they generate is any indicator of interest.
Maybe a card playing landbot that looks 15 could be the number one seller in all of SL. ![]() _____________________
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Yumi Murakami
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05-16-2007 09:09
When they open source servers, I think people will be trying again by undercutting Liden Tier prices a lot. But they will start undercutting each other and that "easy" money wont last either. Open source servers will probably (99% likely) be disconnected from SL's central asset system, so they won't be a viable option for land resellers. They'll be for use by external companies who want to let you fly around their own private worlds. |
Nina Stepford
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05-16-2007 09:09
it would be crazy to entrust your livelihood to ll.
maybe you should start with one island and work your way up. |
Alan Bamboo
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Mainland is the safest land to buy.
05-16-2007 09:11
Many people prefer to buy/rent land only on the mainland, read why;
take the money and run /327/47/184330/1.html |
lilly Margetts
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05-16-2007 09:17
Sell Crack on nightclubs for an easy 5000$/mo,ok that was a joke.
Many people prefer to buy/rent land only on the mainland, read why; take the money and run /327/47/184330/1.html There are a lot of legit dealers still,don't make it like everyone is scamming. |
Alan Bamboo
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05-16-2007 09:22
. There are a lot of legit dealers still,don't make it like everyone is scamming. Yes there are a lot of legit land dealers. |
Desmond Shang
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05-16-2007 09:35
There's such a thing as market position, too.
Sure, anyone can buy a completely functional car that will meet all their life's needs for about 20,000 USD. With cupholders too! It doesn't even scratch the 80,000 USD auto market. It's a completely different thing. Difference is, to have the 'street cred' to pull off a super-premium area on the grid, one that attracts super-premium residents who very often have super-premium businesses of their own... ...well, that takes something a little more than money, something very hard to define. And now for your zen moment of the day: If you go for the money, you'll never have a chance in hell of making it. The new user staring in awe and wonder at the possibilities of sculptie prims will make more $L than you, accidentally, without even really trying. _____________________
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Isablan Neva
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05-16-2007 09:35
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Gummi Richthofen
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05-16-2007 09:38
- if you had started out with that plan 6 months ago, by now you would be screwed. Unexpected downtime, change of audience, corporate takeup... it's bee a rocky ride, and shows no sign of stabilising
- None of your ideas show a distinctive difference. Why should people choose YOUR me-too development over all the OTHERs? Answers like "because I am a nice guy" won't wash. - Contingency plan. If you lose your broadband for a month because someone foolishly left your cable in the path of a meteorite, what are you gonna do? Suppose the meteorite hits one of the SL Co-los that has your physical servers (those Islands) in it? How are you going to live? |
Johan Durant
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05-16-2007 09:44
If you lose your broadband for a month because someone foolishly left your cable in the path of a meteorite, what are you gonna do? If your ISP takes a month to fix a broken cable, you might want to switch to a different ISP. _____________________
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Desmond Shang
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05-16-2007 09:46
GACK!
Folks, I was utterly wrong. Look at the post title. "How to make 5.000 US$ per month ?" Five dollars. Per month. Ah, just get one sim, rent out about just over half of it, then go play World of Warcraft. You're all set! ![]() by 2017 you will make 1200 dollars... _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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05-16-2007 09:51
GACK! Folks, I was utterly wrong. Look at the post title. "How to make 5.000 US$ per month ?" Five dollars. Per month. Ah, just get one sim, rent out about just over half of it, then go play World of Warcraft. You're all set! ![]() by 2017 you will make 1200 dollars... In parts of Europe they use "." for the thousands place and "," for the decimal place. so 5.000,00(there) is 5,000.00 (US) |
Oryx Tempel
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05-16-2007 09:54
My friend started off 6 months ago with 3 sims; things were going great, he was at 100% occupancy, so he thought, 'heck, I'll buy more!' So now he's up at 11 islands, LL has released 3 new continents, the land market is in the toilet, and he's at about 50% occupancy. I hope he's breaking even...tho I sort of doubt it.
At any rate, Desmond, I have a question about your math: L$13,333,320/266 * .965 = USD 48370.87 why the .965? Is that to compensate for the market fluctuations? or would it be better to use L$277/USD 1? (It's safer, anyway.) by my math that's L$13,333,320/277 = USD 48134.73 Just a stupid question, I know, but I'm curious. |
Desmond Shang
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05-16-2007 09:56
In parts of Europe they use "." for the thousands place and "," for the decimal place. so 5.000,00(there) is 5,000.00 (US) I was just teasing... grins Oh, and the .965 in my calculation is the Lindex 3.5% fee. 1.00 - .035 is .965. _____________________
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Kenn Nilsson
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05-16-2007 09:58
Not that it hasn't already been beat to death but:
Only 400 people made more than US$2000 last month. That's about 1% of the daily population of SL. US$2000/month is actually a rather pathetically low "RL salary". As one of those people (barely), I will note that I worked an average of a 16 hr day all last month -- 7 DAYS A WEEK. CONCLUSIONS: --SecondLife is not currently a viable commercial platform. The economy is still developing, the actual value of things is still being determined, the platform is still trying to stabilize itself, and too many people continue to think of the environment as a 'game' with no inherent value. --Those of us who are investing a great amount of time into the environment are doing so because we see FUTURE potential and because we honestly have a lot of fun doing it. --ANY 'easy money' in SL is going to quickly become 'hard money'. ANYTIME an 'economic profit' exists, people quickly discover such and flood the market to a point at which work once again = return. _____________________
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Desmond Shang
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05-16-2007 10:00
My friend started off 6 months ago with 3 sims; things were going great, he was at 100% occupancy, so he thought, 'heck, I'll buy more!' So now he's up at 11 islands, LL has released 3 new continents, the land market is in the toilet, and he's at about 50% occupancy. I hope he's breaking even...tho I sort of doubt it. 50% occupancy should be around breakeven; just under, at typical rates. And yeah, you have to have something compelling in your region - if mainland is a viable alternative to what you offer, or similar enough... you are only as good as the mainland land glut, or worse. _____________________
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Desmond Shang
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05-16-2007 10:03
Not that it hasn't already been beat to death but: Only 400 people made more than US$2000 last month. That's about 1% of the daily population of SL. US$2000/month is actually a rather pathetically low "RL salary". As one of those people (barely), I will note that I worked an average of a 16 hr day all last month -- 7 DAYS A WEEK. CONCLUSIONS: --SecondLife is not currently a viable commercial platform. The economy is still developing, the actual value of things is still being determined, the platform is still trying to stabilize itself, and too many people continue to think of the environment as a 'game' with no inherent value. --Those of us who are investing a great amount of time into the environment are doing so because we see FUTURE potential and because we honestly have a lot of fun doing it. --ANY 'easy money' in SL is going to quickly become 'hard money'. ANYTIME an 'economic profit' exists, people quickly discover such and flood the market to a point at which work once again = return. 16 hour days... dude... what you doin', bro? Love the sig btw: "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms chasing ghosts, eating magic pills, and listening to repetitive, addictive, electronic music." ...multivitamins aren't exactly magic, but hmm... *turns down Covenant and Seabound and turns on the lights...* you may have a point there... _____________________
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