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Shorti Ferraris
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07-16-2007 02:12
I need to know if you owned land from an estate and in the convent (but didnt see it) says you have to notfy before leaving and you dont you must pay 2500 fee plus a whole month of teir is this legal? or allowed and if you dont pay can you be banned from SL?
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Broken Xeno
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07-16-2007 02:17
Hmm, I'm not sure. I've never bought estate land before, I don't feel comfortable with paying another player for my property. It's like anything though, I think if you left, there's not much the estate owner could do. But I'm probably wrong, SL has joined the ranks of the "sue-happy" lol.
Edit; It sounds like you just have to notify the owner of the estate that you are leaving, and you wont have to pay the fee. If you do not notify them, then you have to pay. Is that what it says? So maybe just notify them? _____________________
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Shorti Ferraris
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07-16-2007 02:23
No even if you notify you still pay 2500L each lot this is from the estate owner. but to be mean make you pay 1 month also on each lot
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Talon Brown
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07-16-2007 02:29
The estate owner can, and most likely will, ban you from their estate and any other land they own but they can't get you banned from SL entirely because private estates are just that, privately owned and LL won't get involved in personal disputes.
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Shorti Ferraris
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07-16-2007 02:31
i was told i would be reported and stuff and ill be banned from SL for not paying him all this money
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Broken Xeno
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07-16-2007 02:32
Yeah, I don't think so. LL rarely meddles in the business of players, when it comes to land. It's a contract you made with them, not Linden Labs.
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Shorti Ferraris
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07-16-2007 02:34
wants to muscle people out of like over 20,000L just to leave
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Talon Brown
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07-16-2007 02:35
Oh, he can report you. Anyone can be reported for pretty much anything. Will LL do anything about it? I think not because as I said, this is a personal dispute on a private estate and those convenants have nothing to do with LL.
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Shorti Ferraris
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07-16-2007 02:38
i just dont want to loose my account over this i was new when i got it so i had no idea what that was so i think im being taken advantage of now they say i can be banned from SL so i dont know can I call sl to find out
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Warda Kawabata
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07-16-2007 02:47
The worst the estate owner can do is ban you from his land. He cannot ban you from SL in general.
LL takes no part in disputes between residents. The sole exception is that, if RL legal proceedings require them to disclose a resident's identity to a court, they would probably do so. I haven't heard of any case where that has happened yet, although the current sexgen case might just do it. I suppose it is theoretically possible the estate owner might start legal proceedings to get that money off you, but considering the lawyer's time for 10 minutes would be more than he wants off you, that is somewhat improbable. _____________________
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Shorti Ferraris
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07-16-2007 02:54
plus i think 2500 to leave a lot is a lot then charge 4000 on top if u dont tell them is weird
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Alazarin Mondrian
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07-16-2007 03:04
Shorti, it sounds like that estate owner is trying to scare money out of you. Most likely because he won't get many tenants with the kind of terms and conditions you described. Pay what you owe for the time you're rented land from him, give him your notice to quit and then move on. There's plenty of estate owners who have better policies. Shop around and check them out. Or go premium and buy your own land on the mainland.
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Shorti Ferraris
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07-16-2007 03:18
well ive asked in sl and i was told no he can only ban me on any of his lands because its not apart of LL. he wants me to pay him almost 20,000 to leave becuase i had 4 lots and when i first got there these things had not been in the covenant it was just how to rent then later he added to it. im also told in world its between him and me and i can just leave. the thing is he threatened me and seems like a lie also to say ill be banned from sl because i wont pay him all that money. i dont even have that kind of money to put out thats a lot just to leave
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Pierce Kronos
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07-16-2007 03:20
Extortion is illegal anywhere, I.E. "If you don't pay me 'X,' I will ... " Take your stuff and go. And, when nothing happens to you, make sure you tell the other residents there what didn't happen.
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Shorti Ferraris
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07-16-2007 03:23
i was really scared my account would be banned i mean to me its a game im not trying to get banned because some guy want all this money to leave and threatens me. its really crazy. i have never violated anything while playing sl. so to be threatened to be banned and trying to muscle all this money is nuts
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Alicia Sautereau
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07-16-2007 04:27
extorsion...
when u leave without notifying, ur land would get reclamed and u loose the land purchase fee (deposit?) charging an extra fee for leaving is nuts by itself, charging an extra month is insane... if he didn`t check his land to see if u were gone days after the tier date expired is his problem, not urs so don`t pay anything u cant get banned, not event warned for it by LL as this is a resident dispute + he has nothing to stand on and only loose his rep to bad only the bad expiriences are brought here as there are way more good estate owners out there then bad ones (same with normal ppl and griefers, only hear about the griefers) |
Jezebella Desmoulins
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07-16-2007 05:57
There must be a lot of people running around who don't bother to read the covenant they're signing if an estate owner with a policy like that is able to stay in business. Move out before your current month is up and let him try to collect. What's he going to do, file an AR that says you refused to pay his extortion?
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Colette Meiji
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07-16-2007 06:02
The worst the estate owner can do is ban you from his land. He cannot ban you from SL in general. LL takes no part in disputes between residents. The sole exception is that, if RL legal proceedings require them to disclose a resident's identity to a court, they would probably do so. I haven't heard of any case where that has happened yet, although the current sexgen case might just do it. I suppose it is theoretically possible the estate owner might start legal proceedings to get that money off you, but considering the lawyer's time for 10 minutes would be more than he wants off you, that is somewhat improbable. Well dont ignore the fact that is the Owner is a member of one of the Black List type systems he can report him to that and the ban will extend over many member Estates. Another reason Black List systems are bad. |
Har Fairweather
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07-16-2007 06:09
i was really scared my account would be banned i mean to me its a game im not trying to get banned because some guy want all this money to leave and threatens me. its really crazy. i have never violated anything while playing sl. so to be threatened to be banned and trying to muscle all this money is nuts It is nuts - provided you don't pay it. |
Jax Huskerdu
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07-16-2007 06:37
I'd send him a note. "Wave goodbye to my money as you kiss my *ss! Please take a moment to ban me from all properties associated with your organization as I'd hate to think I'd inadvertantly given you anything else (lindens or traffic). You strong arm tactics are nothing short of extortion and your organization will be Abuse Reported."
If you're worried about being banned, I'd abuse report the other party. A) Your in first. B) There's a documented account of your side of the story. C) There side will hold less water. Don't forget to Terra Form your property before you leave. Jaggy and uneven. Make the jerk work for his money. ROFL!! _____________________
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Nina Stepford
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07-16-2007 07:32
oh ffs! spare a thought for the estate owner! he's got bills to pay and he's trying to get you to do the right thing and give him notice you are leaving. how hard is it for you just to tell him youve changed course, then he can have a reasonable amount of time to line up another buyer.
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Jannae Karas
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07-16-2007 07:41
oh ffs! spare a thought for the estate owner! he's got bills to pay and he's trying to get you to do the right thing and give him notice you are leaving. how hard is it for you just to tell him youve changed course, then he can have a reasonable amount of time to line up another buyer. maybe I missed something here. How much advance notice does he want? _____________________
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RobbyRacoon Olmstead
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07-16-2007 07:49
oh ffs! spare a thought for the estate owner! he's got bills to pay and he's trying to get you to do the right thing and give him notice you are leaving. how hard is it for you just to tell him youve changed course, then he can have a reasonable amount of time to line up another buyer. Should we also spare a thought for the guy who holds people at gunpoint asking them for their money, cause he's got bills to pay? Or the guy who threatens to spread unfounded but nevertheless damaging rumors unless you pay *his* bills? Bullshit. Give him notice if you've got the time to give him notice (in other words, no extenuating circumstances forcing you to leave in a hurry), but the "penalties" and lies should be treated like the complete crap that they are. This isn't trying to "get you to do the right thing", this is just a greedy attempt to get more money... No even if you notify you still pay 2500L each lot this is from the estate owner he wants me to pay him almost 20,000 to leave becuase i had 4 lots and when i first got there these things had not been in the covenant it was just how to rent then later he added to it. im also told in world its between him and me and i can just leave. the thing is he threatened me and seems like a lie also to say ill be banned from sl because i wont pay him all that money. i dont even have that kind of money to put out thats a lot just to leave . _____________________
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Nina Stepford
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07-16-2007 07:53
janine, ask the op. they said it was in the covenant...
I need to know if you owned land from an estate and in the convent (but didnt see it) says you have to notfy before leaving and you dont you must pay 2500 fee plus a whole month of teir is this legal? or allowed and if you dont pay can you be banned from SL? |
Nina Stepford
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07-16-2007 07:56
well since you want to drag rl into this: does your landlord expect first and last months, a security deposit, and at least 30 days notice? op had a 'contract' regarding land, she wasnt e-thugged on sl by a random av. are we reading the same thread? wtf does rl armed robbery have to do with this? are you a complete retard?
Should we also spare a thought for the guy who holds people at gunpoint asking them for their money, cause he's got bills to pay? Or the guy who threatens to spread unfounded but nevertheless damaging rumors unless you pay *his* bills? Bullshit. Give him notice if you've got the time to give him notice (in other words, no extenuating circumstances forcing you to leave in a hurry), but the "penalties" and lies should be treated like the complete crap that they are. This isn't trying to "get you to do the right thing", this is just a greedy attempt to get more money... . |