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Jonathon Darcy
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03-18-2008 18:18
From: Harlow Shilova Honestly...what are you posting here for? Some people have suggestions that have helped others....I'm just hoping for the same. Which is what this thread is for, isn't it? Conan posted here several months ago that he had been able to access second life through a Vista machine flawlessly for a number of months until an update to the client in september resulted in the client refusing to even launch. Since then he has been unable to access second life at all, and Linden Labs have refused to acknowledge the problem (which was caused by one of their updates and still affects many people). I for one sympathise with his position and think that he makes a perfectly valid point. I fear you will be disappointed if you expect to fair any better.
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Harlow Shilova
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03-18-2008 18:25
From: Jonathon Darcy Conan posted here several months ago that he had been able to access second life through a Vista machine flawlessly for a number of months until an update to the client in september resulted in the client refusing to even launch. Since then he has been unable to access second life at all, and Linden Labs have refused to acknowledge the problem (which was caused by one of their updates and still affects many people). I for one sympathise with his position and think that he makes a perfectly valid point. I fear you will be disappointed if you expect to fair any better. Linden schminden - they are idiots, no help to me what so ever...Well I for one am not giving up... and of course I feel for Conan - I am in the same boat. The reason I'm not giving up is the amount of people that successfully run sl in vista...sooo, I'm still here, and if I find anything, I will report back...commisserations to you Conan.
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Harlow Shilova
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03-23-2008 21:51
Well, it pays not to give up...for me anyway, I found my answer and hope this might help someone else out there.....especially you conan, this is the post I found...and although my symptoms weren't exactly the same, they were very similar, and it worked. It's worth a try anyway.
Symptoms (wired network): * logging on works fine (sim crossings work fine, see below) * after log-on View / Statistics Bar shows bandwidth spikes as things rez, but after a (very) short while it falls flat (10-20kbps) and movement becomes impossible
IMs continue to work for a few more seconds (if after about a minute and a half either the sim or the client haven't seen a ping from the other they'll drop the connection). Oddly enough, opening the map will give it an extra minute or so (but only once). After that (and even weirder) each switch from full-screen to windowed (or the other way around) will "reinvigorate" the network connection, allowing movement for a short time (for 10-30 seconds at a time).
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The actual cause (in this particular case?) seems to be a setting on the network card and not any firewall/router/ISP/etc settings:
* Start menu / Run: ncpa.cpl * right-click on the one you use for your internet and pick "Properties", then click "Configure" * under the Advanced, set "Task Offload" to "Off" (It's possible it's called any of the following in which they all need to be set to "Off": Offload TCP Segmentation, Offload Receive TCP Checksum, Offload Transmit IP Checksum or Offload Transmit TCP Checksum)
Swapping the network card for another one *might* work (assuming it doesn't have the capability to have certain things be handled by the network card instead of the puter) which is what eventually led me to blame the network card rather than all the other dozen things I'd tried so far .
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SL was literally the one and only thing that wouldn't work (so I'm still inclined to blame LL more than anyone else ) and I have absolutely no idea why it works, but the above was the only thing that made any difference/fixed it.
(In this case it was a wired network, but wireless network cards may have the same setting so I would try the same solution there as well before deciding that SL just won't play nice with it)
Good luck
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Rebecca Proudhon
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03-24-2008 00:22
Vista on a new machine is better then XP. But it on a old machine and you might have issues.
SL on Vista on a Budget machine, wiuth low ram and integrated graphics, may run slower the XP. The SL viewer works on Vista. Problems SL has, effect both XP and Vista.
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Brenda Connolly
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03-24-2008 04:27
From: Jonathon Darcy Conan posted here several months ago that he had been able to access second life through a Vista machine flawlessly for a number of months until an update to the client in september resulted in the client refusing to even launch. Since then he has been unable to access second life at all, and Linden Labs have refused to acknowledge the problem And the Metaverse has been a far less interesting place since.
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Madelina Kohime
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03-24-2008 04:30
I always smile a little when this thread gets resurrected, because i've run SL on a Vista machine since April 2007, and its always run very well with only the usual SL glitches as problems, to date. I don't think i'm doing anything special... am I? Just a mid range laptop... course things could always be improved, but then I dont have a super powered machine and hyperspeed broadband, so its to be expected...
So what is it people have on their machines that make SL impossible or difficult to run?!?
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Harlow Shilova
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03-24-2008 18:17
From: Madelina Kohime I always smile a little when this thread gets resurrected, because i've run SL on a Vista machine since April 2007, and its always run very well with only the usual SL glitches as problems, to date. I don't think i'm doing anything special... am I? Just a mid range laptop... course things could always be improved, but then I dont have a super powered machine and hyperspeed broadband, so its to be expected...
So what is it people have on their machines that make SL impossible or difficult to run?!? Well...lucky you!! What do I have on my machine...nothing except what it came shipped with, I think if people knew what it was on their machines that is making sl difficult to run...well, ...they wouldn't be on here! And as you can see from the above post, for me , it was a setting in the network card, not anything I'd put on.
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Razor Varriale
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Constant reinstall
04-05-2008 12:27
I can't say I've seen anyone else with this problem, but it seems that on the laptop that I'm running SL under Windows Vista, every time the viewer is opened, it does a crash report and says it needs to be reinstalled. I've gone so far as to compleatly uninstall SL and reinstall from scratch, but nothing is helping atm. I didn't have this problem till the new viewer was released.
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Ross Stringer
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04-05-2008 12:29
huh? I have vista, runs extremely fast on ultra settings.
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Razor Varriale
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04-05-2008 12:35
From: Ross Stringer huh? I have vista, runs extremely fast on ultra settings. It's not a matter of performance, after it reinstalls (again and again) it runs just fine. Just having to reinstall everytime I start SL is annoying to say the least.
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Joanne Stradling
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04-06-2008 13:21
From: Razor Varriale It's not a matter of performance, after it reinstalls (again and again) it runs just fine. Just having to reinstall everytime I start SL is annoying to say the least. Having exactly the same issue myself since the latest update
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Charlie Kramer
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SL works great on vista for me
04-06-2008 13:29
From: Alan Ajax Seems to be only a video card driver issue. This is why I USED to use ATI cards and don't anymore. I have a nVidia (7300 GT) and all I had to do was upgrade the driver when I switched to vista....all is working great. No problems.
ATI users save yourself problems and switch to nVidia. SL works great on Vista for me. I am using nVidea Geforce card with the Latest drivers. My pc is a Vista home premium media center, quad core and 3 gigs of ram. I think the big factor is, since Both Vista and SL are memory hogs, you need a computer that is really capable and a good video card to run both. Try updating your drivers. If that doesn't work, add some ram if you still have slots left, and if that doesn't do it then upgrade your video card to what you can afford. Good luck The other thing that I thought of is if you are having problems running SL on Vista is Aero. To disable Aero when you are running SL do this: Right click your SL shortcut on your desk top (or whatever folder you keep it in), select properties, click the compatibility tab, click disable desktop composition box and click apply and click ok. Now whenever you start SL, Aero will be disabled and won't hog all of your memory and you shouldn't get the visual inteference that some people complain of with Vista.
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candi Tal
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04-06-2008 14:22
I just recently started using Vista with a new computer and things seem to be okay, ressing still takes forever at times.
The system has specs are Quad Q6600(2.40GHz), 4GB DDR2, 500GB NVIDIA GeForce 8600GT Windows Vista Home Premium
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04-07-2008 03:29
From: Gummi Richthofen off-topic... you wouldn't be a_mars from CIX would you? Small planet! Not to my knowledge... AWM=A World Maker, derived from the days when I used to create VR 'Worlds'. Mars was just the SL annexe surname chosen at SL Birth.
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04-07-2008 03:52
From: candi Tal I just recently started using Vista with a new computer and things seem to be okay, ressing still takes forever at times.
The system has specs are Quad Q6600(2.40GHz), 4GB DDR2, 500GB NVIDIA GeForce 8600GT Windows Vista Home Premium Geeez, I want one of those '500gb nVidia 8600GT) j/k I've run SL on Vista 32 and 64 bit. Both using a nVidia GC. Turning off background services, especially any remote conecction services, works well. SL runs well on both 32 and 64 (see below). What you may find is, Vista is a true multi-threading OS which can utilise the multi-cored CPU's available today. SL's client cannot. If you have a 9.600ghz quad core CPU, each core runs at around 2.22ghz (actual), so SL will emulate a single core speed. No real gains to be had, unless you are running several programmes and asign them to other cores. The way Vista handles memory banks is also different, that too can have an effect. One of the issues I encountered when installing Vista 64 Ultimate onto a quad core AMD 9.6ghz system, was the MB's way of 'auto' controlling the CPU. To comply with the 'lower power useage' demands, when idling, the MB lowers the core voltages, this in turn fluctuates the core frequencies and data bus speeds and even the PCI bus. Vista would not install, and kept blue screening, until I manually set the core speeds at a lover frequency (1.8ghz in this instance), which set the core voltages to a stable 1.25volts. After which I gained a stable platform to install Vista 64. Vista 32 didn't bat an eyelid at the 'Auto' setting and the fluctuating voltages. Even after installing Vista 64, turning on the 'auto' function, caused BSOD on startup. I've installed the AMD 'patches' and even Vista SP1. Guess I'm going to have to wait for the rest of the world to catchup before I can unleash the full potential of my new system.
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Ricky Shaftoe
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04-30-2008 22:02
I'm having major trouble with Vista 64 now, and I fear SL is the culprit. I tried running the most recent Release Candidate, and from that moment forward I can't run Vista without crashing after 15 minutes or so. I've run the Vista memory test; it checked out OK. Ran a virus scan of c:\; also OK. I've tried reinstalling my nVidia 8800 Ultra driver, but I crash midway thru the install. I've tried reinstalling the driver while in safe mode, but Vista didn't recognize my USB keyboard, so I couldn't log in. At one of my many crash-reboots I got an option to insert my Vista disk and 'repair' the installation, but by the time I dug out my disk, the system had booted again. I don't know what to do. I have a dual-boot to XP, but even XP crashes now.
My guess is that I need to reinstall my video driver, but that's just a guess. Anyone have any other advice? I'm at wit's end.
Also, what version of SL should I be running with Vista 64?
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Tod69 Talamasca
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04-30-2008 22:10
As one who got his MCSE, I can say, without hesitation....
Vista Blows!
Ok, not totally. Some folks have luck with it. Most don't.
I would gladly switch if I could trust it. Yet I run XP Pro.
At least with XP Pro, the bugs are fixed, the drivers work, and its reliable. A Mac user will scoff about "security" and "patches", but ya know, after a few years of running it, using it as a 'hard core' user, XP is pretty frickin' stable. They'll also mention "having to reboot every day or so".... Um.... I only reboot when needed for drivers, etc. Otherwise I keep my system running 24/7.
I tried the Virtual Vista with MS Virtual PC. It was 'ok'. But not enough to urge an upgrade. Even with a DX10 video card I can't see a reason to switch.
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2k Suisei
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04-30-2008 22:24
I got me a new custom machine recently with Vista 64 installed. Games were freezing all the time, especially Second Life. I then installed XP and games were fine, but it would crash in 3D applications like Maya. I've now installed the Nvida beta display drivers 174 and life is good again.
Computers suck at the moment. Too much incompatibility and instability going around.
I'll probably buy me a Dell (*spit*) next time. Something that's been setup and tested properly.
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Ricky Shaftoe
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04-30-2008 22:44
Well, I managed to keep Vista up long enough to reinstall my video driver, and since then I've had an hour of crash-free operation.
Is it possible that the newest release candidate corrupts the 64-bit nVidia driver?
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2k Suisei
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04-30-2008 22:48
From: Ricky Shaftoe
Is it possible that the newest release candidate corrupts the 64-bit nVidia driver?
You mean like sends 'em crazy?. Nvida Drivers: "OMG! DON'T MAKE mE RUN THiS! PleASE NO!! MErCY!!!" Yeah, maybe...
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Ricky Shaftoe
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05-01-2008 07:44
Well, reinstalling my video driver seems to have restored stability to my system. But now I'm afraid to fire up SL. Which client is safest for 64-bit Vista?
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Micheal Moonlight
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05-01-2008 13:25
Vista runs faster then XP with about the same number of bugs... people can pretend XP was perfect all they want but my XP crashed daily, and so did everyone elses I know.... want a perfect OS go with *nix or MacOS, but for those of us stuck in the monopolized world, it's either old and buggy, or new and buggy.. personally I use vista 64 with 8GB of ram and it runs like a dream thanks to the all new memory management, XP and page files was just to slow in comparrison...
I will say in the bugs i've seen with vista, not all was microsofts fault, some were... some were nvidia's... some were creatives... some were SL itself...
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foehn Breed
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06-16-2008 12:58
"The Windows XP era ends June 30 and soon hardware vendors will be shipping you all Vista all the time in most cases. The save XP effort failed. And now it's time for Vista to sink or swim."
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Gomez Bracken
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06-16-2008 13:15
From: foehn Breed "The Windows XP era ends June 30 and soon hardware vendors will be shipping you all Vista all the time in most cases. The save XP effort failed. And now it's time for Vista to sink or swim." June 30th was the date Microsoft wanted it to end, Dell has other ideas: http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/06/09/dell-to-sell-windows-xp-professional-with-pcs-through-2009Gomez
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Brenda Connolly
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06-16-2008 13:20
Thank you for that. I do want to keep my current machine another year, and I like XP. I've had very little trouble with it. I would be more likely to buy a new machine sooner if I could stil use XP.
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