Do we need more Landbot threads?

Nah, even though it has no specific subject, its was started by a botter, so that entitles it to special attention and won't get locked.

The moderator himself gets into a discussion completely unrelated, but that's ok too.

Someone asked a specific question about allowing bots in another thread, and gets it "watched".

Figures.

A very simple answer to your question


YES!!!!
Until landbots are gone the topic must be thrashed as much as possible.

I know you have a fondness for landbots Elanthius but the majority of SL users think they should be removed.


So everyone start as many landbot threads as we can untill linden finally notices and does something about it.

From what i have heard the removal of landbots has already recieved full votes in the new features section (correct me if i am wrong). Whereas the feature to keep landbots only recieved 9 votes.

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http://www.talksecondlife.com/
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http://www.slorums.net/forums/
http://www.my-sl.com/modules.php?name=Forums
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That's as many as I can stand to post at the moment.

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There are also SL forumlike thingies at yahoo groups and google groups.

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In the first case, this thread started with a question not a complaint.

In the second case, it is the nature of human conversation that people will wander from the subject a bit, and will express their views. It is absurd to think that no-one has anything to complain about, or that they will not refer ever to things they don't like. Are we all supposed to do nothing but sing the praises of LL in the course of any thread here, with Lindens behind us pointing rifles in case we step out of line?

Umm ... can we stretch that point to halflings too pleeeease?



Itchy, that smacks of spamming or flaming I'm not sure which .. but I'd be surprised if that doesn't defy forum rules?

There are other issues and questions.

1. Inventory loss, rez failure item loss, lag, griefing, scams, exploits, tp failure, sim crossings, camping, ad farms, avatar ruthing, shill bidding, lost classified ads, money events failing to trigger, land ownership not transfering when bought, hair attaching to your butt, halitosis, the lack of a rolleyes icon on this board...

2. more threadz plz kthxbye. or maybe more cowbell?

3. LL finally notices and does something about all of these

4. profit!!!

Sorry, i dont want to cause any trouble.

I just dont like these landbots and i dont like that linden labs doesnt do anything about it when the residents of SL obviously want landbots banned.

I think most residents rather have LL focused on fixing all the bugs and grid issues and the bot issue is probably very low on their radar when they can't log in, teleport, shop, build, or find their inventory.

A lot of the issues you mention may well be caused by the landbots hammering the search server. The search and asset servers utilize the same data pipeline, so if there's a disproportionate amount of use on the search server, the asset server, which is involved in teleporting, rezzing objects, and inventory access, gets lagged all to hell. So thanks for providing yet more reason why the landbot issue is relevant and crucial to all residents.

I would prefer to hear this from someone with the name Linden, not herzog or any other name that does not actually work on the grid.

Ah, I wasn't aware that how the grid works was a closely guarded government secret. If you'd get off your a** and take a few moments looking up info on how SL runs rather than waiting for a Linden to spoon feed you the info, you'd be able to learn this for yourself ... hopefully the idea of having the actual FACTS in the case doesn't scare you too much, though it might take away a lot of your trolling ammunition.

Excuse me rev but unless you are there working on the grid when it is under stress, then no you have no idea what is going on now do you? Bringing rational countering to you baseless comments is not trolling. *sighs* If the mod feels I am trolling more than you or the other person then i'm sure i will get warned.

*ponders* Maybe if people would quit complaining about campers and instead turn their attention to landbots, things would be better. While campers are a drain on resources, they don't hammer the search and databases with their code, unlike the landbots. Campers only make it harder to get into a sim.. Landbots make it harder to get into the world.

Problem is, what can LL do about it? They've open sourced their viewer code, so there is no way that LL can control it on that end. And how the heck can they tell who's a bot and whose not? This is a big question facing all MMOs. Some bots in other games are so good that they can respond to questions asked of it, although they can't get past the simple, common questions.

The only thing LL can really do is throttle the "search" function used by the bots to find land, which hurts the legit players too.

Do I blame LL for the creation of the Land Bots? *shrug* Not really. They did what they thought was best for the players, but there isn't much one can do to counter creative greed.

You can only cram so much data through a data pipeline no matter how wide it is. If that weren't true then you'd be able to download instantaneously from the Internet even with dial-up. The fact that search is always affected simultaneously with tp issues and rezzing issues indicates that lag on one affects lag on the other. So the question isn't whether stressing search will stress assets as well, the question is are the landbots stressing search badly enough to be causing problems. THAT is something that only LL can answer. You "theorizing" that the fact they haven't done much about landbots yet indicates it's not causing stress is no different than my "theorizing" that the fact they recently throttled search to one refresh every five seconds and we've recently had so many problems with assets MAY indicate they do.

Well if you want to have the irrational belief that LL is allowing a handful of bot operaters to do so much damage to the grid, then fine you believe that.

Ok, and if you want to have the irrational belief that landbots querying search 17280 times a day has no effect on the grid, then fine, you believe that.

Oh. That does not sound like much of a problem. I didn't need to go to the sim where my home and business is anyway. <sarcasm

*gahs* I am only making a hash of this. I do have sympathy for those who can't use their own lands due to the camping issue. I just see the landbots as an issue that needs to be dealt with first. Then I'll turn more of my attention to the camp chair owners. I mean, reduced the number of campers first off and then make them at least decorative! Set 'em to sweeping! Set them to washing those windows! Make 'em bury themselves in graves!

It's not the campers, it's the camp chair owners that are the problem.

*wonders why this thread isn't locked with the rest of them*

As far as I know, bots cannot leave SL and go to a website and purchase land there.

SO, if you can't remove the buzzards, remove the roadkill.

Why not take the entire land buying/renting system off-world? That would eliminate the database hammering from bots and flippers. The website could be organized in a more user-helpful way, by segregating island rentals from mainland sales, setting up categories: land with homes, waterfront props, etc. Yes, people would have to jump back in to actually look at a piece of land, but we do that now with auctioned land and I haven't seen complaints about that.

Is that not an immediate and clean solution?

It wouldn't be too big of a deal to run the client along with the website and use SLurls to map the property.