Do we need more Landbot threads?

Landbot, Landbot, Landbot!

Landbot?

We need a separate forum for land related threads.

-Atashi, who is avoiding work by hanging out on the SL forums.

Can you create a thread-starting bot?

Yeah, lets all get our own bots to post on the forums, might get an intelligent conversion then rather than just wah wah wah.

Well that forum predates me by a long time. Was it closed for lack of use, or closed because it descended into complaints, arguments, and name-calling?

-Atashi

Was closed for the same reason Resident Answers will be closed.

People discussing things.

Yes. As long as the problems exist, and people are upset, they should be voicing their dissatisfaction. Silence is assent.

Let's have another poll!

Thats okay- if we dont go silent , we will be silenced.

Thank you for pointing this out I had almost forgotten.

The land discussion forum was closed for the same reason that the General Discussion forum was closed: there was a tendency for people to ignore the forum rules with the effect that new users were put off and old users were becoming disgruntled, the community suffered. As a result of those forums closings there has been a dramatic decline in reported abuse. The RA forum was opened as an experiment into having a discussion forum.

What I can't understand is why people post complaints in the RA forum, there is a Current Version Feedback forum.

Strife you do a good job as moderator.

I never agreed with closing all the forums in the first place.

Heck, I didnt even agree with banning Prof - even though he yelled at me like everyone else.

I think people need a place to speak their minds. As service improves, dissent will wane. But theres no way to keep everyone happy. Especially not the large number of users of Second Life.

The issue that is the problem isn't so much the message, but how it is delivered.

Thats the tough part of this job, on the one side you have free speech and the other civil order. It is commonly accepted that unrestricted free speech is a bad thing. One commonly accepted restriction is a rule against spam. Another is against slander.

If there are problems, people are going to talk about them, regardless of where, when or how. By having the forums, one was able to concentrate that into one easily ignored area, which the Lindens are for the most part now doing anyways. Now, we have the discontentment spread over several areas, to grow and fester, because elsewhere, they have no hope that the Lindens will even read it, let alone CARE.

Here they had least had the hope that a stray Linden might read the issue and try to solve it. This is no longer so, though. Note: When the problem with my husband's account occurred, it wasn't Char that posted it to RA so that we could get those with the same problem to communicate. Her blog post was about it, sure, but it wasn't specific and it originally didn't have comments. We were able to keep each other up to date on the issue and when the fix came, we congratulated the Lindens involved for the fix. Others who posted to it where actually helpful, which shows how great the surviving forum community is!

There is going to be abuse of any system and the forums are the easiest to abuse. If they had simply said, "Look, we simply don't have the manpower to handle them right now. We'll try to reopen them when we have that manpower," a lot of us would have been okay with the idea. But they said, "The forums aren't scalable," which implied that they didn't CARE.

I'll admit that General had become a cesspool, oh, yes. It did get depressing to read and the resmods were fighting a losing battle. (No, Strife, you guys did your jobs. Did them well, and still continue, but geeze, those pages flew by!) The mud slinging got nasty. But there were other ways to solve the issue that didn't involve closing the forums. A filter program with a nice time out system would have helped the resmods.

If they do ever open the full forums back up again.. I'll be the first to volunteer to become a resmod. Heck, I spend just as much time here as I do in world!

Can think of a couple possibilities.

One - the issues discussed are often not related to the curent version but the current version, many previous versions, and forseeable new versions.

Two- The Majority of people always complain in the busiest section of any forums.


I wonder if a forum called in big letters COMPLAINTS would aleviate any of that?



Ill be honest Strife , when I see you close a thread , I think - yeah this thread needed closing -

..but the "This forum isnt for general discussion" part makes me think you are barely holding the wolves at bay from closing down this forum as well.

Its really creapy they closed most the discussion forums on 9/11 - btw.

Thats kind of you to say so.

I agree with you, people need a place to speak their minds. I won't deny I turn a blind eye to things. I can't over look the big rules being broken though. If it's a personal dispute or trolling/flaming my duty is clear. If it's an important topic (like the rule clarification dealing with Ageplay) quite a bit of leeway is given for a time. When a topic becomes a troll target thats when the door gets closed on it.


Didn't know they did it on that day.

I dont feel a thrid party forum will ever be the appropiate place for these issues.

Until such time that Linden Labs farms out Management of Second Life to a third party. Then That third Party's forums would be the appropiate place.

I needed to offload a 16m plot rapidly to raise cash to purchase some land in my home sim. So I put it on as the cheapest 16 m plot and it was sold within a few minutes, not surprisingly. I wondered if it was bought by a bot - but it set me thinking that bots probably have an effect on lowering prices as people who need to sell surplus land to raise cash for another purchase or to lower tier payments would be more tempted to sell their plot at the absolute cheapest price to attract a bot.

In keeping with the topic, this forum will see more landbot threads, because the issue will not go away until LL comes out with the official position on the use of bots.

Until that happens, a small group gets the lion's share of the low end land market, which affects everyone in SL. The bots are using the largest proportion of server resources, taking all of the profits and undermining the community.

Yes, there will be more threads, lots of them.

I've found people complain less when I give that response. Torley wrote it originally, I've been using it ever since (the smiley face makes me smile).

The forums are like a dog, they help guard and protect SL. They give comfort to people and play "Lassie" at times. But people have abused the dog, they have kicked it and hit it; and now it bites people, especially it's owner. They thought neutering the dog would help; it did, but the dog still bites. They love the dog, it pains them to see the dog hurt, but at times its like the dog doesn't love them. The dog has been biting people for a long time now. We love the dog and we want to keep it as long as we can. It's a sad situation but we keep on going; we don't know where we would be without the dog.

In a situation like that, it's often best to ask "Why is the dog biting?" or perhaps "Why are people kicking and hitting the dog?" rather than "What can I do to stop it from biting?"

Domo Arigato, Mr LandBoto....

Over here! Quick, lock this thread tooooooo!