Camming into our home

THIS!

Don't you drag me by the hair, buster...I have a club too, and I know how to use it!

Lin (Throw me over your shoulder, instead)

(Yikes! Now *I* am Pep's alt!)

I have no morals when it comes to me and will do anything to keep my attention.

LOL

*watches in puzzlement as Eli taps you on the shoulder and politely asks to cut in and dance with you. Wonders which one of you he is dancing with and which one is seething with jealousy.*

Nothing for the other one to be jealous over, she knows I"m true to myself.

It is interesting how another Virtual World has solved this problem of invasion of privacy.

Chapter & Metaverse article: Developers and the Blue Mars Tech. Staff - 1st Meeting,

look at the Privacy part.

http://rock-vacirca.blogspot.com/

Rock

We should have a flag on prims that says 'blocks camera.'
- if set, you could not cam through that prim.


What I am not sure about is whether or not it should be possible for a creator to set that flag and then deny a later owner from changing it. I'm inclined to think no - creators should not have that power (or too many would use it for no reason, making life difficult for owners - such as flagging the walls of a house that way, and the buyer actually wants to be able to cam in and out - yet the creator gained nothing by denying that power, just a mental oversight). But I'm sure there are cases where it would be arguable that it would be good for them to have that power.

There are also potential problems with this and invisiprims / transparent prims with regards to griefing and copybotting...
- so its not a serious idea until I can figure out how to avoid that...

I don't know whether that's a good idea or not, but as a developer of 3d "virtual worlds" (simulators for training purposes) that use similar rendering technology to SL, I can assure you that it couldn't be done without changing how SL works and then using a proprietary viewer. As long as 3rd party viewers are allowed to connect it's just not a possibility.

I'll let others debate on the value of the concept .

Here are two (similar) possible implementations:

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10517

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1138

It's better to give reasons than assurances. Assurances are fallible but can't be argued.

Vote for these Jiras if you'd like privacy. They don't have many votes, so LL isn't getting a clue that this is important to residents.

Also vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-241, a meta entry for privacy proposals.

I figured they'd do it by making the camera controls so bad no one would bother trying.

just for laughs:
the debugsettings entry for the drawdistance is "RenderFarClip".
set it to 8192 and you can see all the way from the degrand infohub to danshire yacht club... that's half the length of corsica continent.

Both of these amount to "instancing". Plopping instances into the middle of the sim in arbitrary locations is probably going to be a little difficult. SVC-1138 is better, except for the obvious scripting issues. I proposed SVC-1138 in a response to the original design of SVC-205, but now that building up to 4096 meters is possible I'd like to direct people back to the original... a privacy pocket just under 4096 meters is quite practical.

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205

Is your Homestead grandfathered b/c you have to be attached to a full sim unless you found a way around that requirement.

I've not had any issues that I know of anyone camming in. I'm sure there has been a few but I dont know about it. We have orbs so no one gets in which what we wanted to begin with. Of course, we have always been on Private islands/Full sims so that might be why too.

I don't build...it's best that way trust me But when I go to really laggy places I cam around or if the area has multiple floors, or if I'm looking for a surf board stuck in a rock or in the shore line. Or when I lock on to follow a rider during a surf comp. I don't perv and I use the normal SL viewer (another reason I never know who is watching me..I just don't care)

Those are not in any way related to making a prim flaggable as "can't cam through". The two jira links are quite workable proposals, as they make the scene itself not cammable. Totally different. And, IMO, worth consideration.
It is a function of how scenes are rendered that makes the proposal I responded to not technically feasible. I am not going to give a class in OpenGL here to explain it - that is way beyond the scope of the issue (and my abilities as a teacher - I'm a software geek, not a teacher).

The requirement is that to own a homestead, you must also own at least one full-service sim. But the homestead can be placed anywhere on the grid. It does not need to be connected to or touching the other sims owned by that person in any way.

OpenGL has nothing to do with it, because that is client side. The only solution to this would be server-side: the server not sending object data to clients under certain circumstances.

That *could* be done by a prim type, but I wouldn't recommend it for a number of reasons, not the least of which being that it would be a lot more work for the server to figure out. Argent's proposal is my favorite, a common global privacy zone (which could be enabled or not on a parcel).

Furthermore, you don't have to be the owner of record; you can rent a homestead from a good landlord, as many of us do. About the only thing I can't do as a renter is to give estate management permissions to others (but I could ask my landlord to do that).

Hm - handn't considered having the server go through that effort. Yes, would be doable, I think, but I agree that it would be a lot more work for the server, probably more than could be handled during a single frame time depending on how many such prims are in use.
Argent's looks better to me, too.

Yes; it's still a server-side change.

If it's not server-side, it's not a solution, as you pointed out above: nonstandard clients will allow users to through the walls.