Camming into our home

Recently we had a friend visit us who caught someone camming into our home. We pay money to live in SL and this angers me that SL would continue to allow a feature that gives someone the right to invade others personal space.

I want to know what is avail. that can prevent this in the future and who do I write to about having SL remove the ability to cam into a building.

Also someone explain to me what this feature is good for other then perving money paying residents homes.

Camming cannot be prevented, unfortunately. Privacy is an illusion in SL.

/me hides in the bushes outside Brenda's house.

People cannot be prevented from camming into biudlings. The only way you can get a reasonable degree of privacy is by placing your home very high in the sky. It won't stop people from camming in, but visitirs are unlikely high up there.

The only way to get real privacy is to buy your own island or rent a full homestead sim and not allow public.

There is a good need to be able to cam into buildings, it would actually make building them pretty hard to do without it.

There's no privacy in SL, especially from the camera. Just think how mad you'd be if you caught them in your bed, like I did! You can kick and ban to your heart's content but that camera is ever watchful. They can even cam over to check you out from the next sim! As far as I know, not a thing you can do about it. My question is, how did your friend know someone was camming into your home?

Now your other question what is camming good for? Well, I don't much like running around shopping. I'll come in a store, or stand outside and cam and shop that way.

Take the third bush on the left. That's Boomer's favorite.

No problem, I will have my rain coat on.

Snapshots. The ability to move the camera most anywhere you want gives you more flexibility when you're taking snapshots.

Then there's just being able to move the camera all around. It's useful shopping, figuring out where you are and where you want to go. I cam all over the place all the time, and none of it is perving on people.

I also found some stuff stuck in the walls of my art gallery on my sim, left over from former exhibitors that had just got stuck in there. Just adding prims without purpose but with the camera I was able to find them and pull them out of there and return them.

you're not a builder, are you...

Sarna, the movable camera is *highly* useful. I use it when building to quickly look around all sides of what I'm working on. I use it to look around a big store without having to walk all over the place. I use it to move my point of view outside my house to see who's perving me.

Not only are you not private from the camera, but you can't lock people out. They can sit on a prim and edit it to move it, and themselves, right through your walls.

There are ways around all of this stuff...building a skybox very high up, using a security system to keep intruders out, and so on...but SL is not Real Life, and some of its rules work a little bit differently.

The best thing to do is to adapt to the new conditions of your Second Life, rather than insisting that everything work Just Like It Does At Home.

what were you doing in there that you don't want any one to see?

Being able to send the camera anywhere within draw distance is invaluable to a builder in SL. It is often the only way to be able to get prims exactly aligned, or to locate prims lost by becoming embedded fully within other prims.

Unless a building is very large with an open floor plan, being able to move your camera to somewhere other than the default position may be the only way you can see yourself and your guests in the room with you, other than by remaining in Mouselook. Try sitting on a couch that has its back to the wall. Your camera is now on the other side of that wall. Unless you can move it through the wall, you can't see.

There is only one true form of Privacy in SL. Buy or rent an entire Private island (full sim), or Homestead sim (limited use sim), position that sim on the grid so no other sims touch it edge to edge, turn off "Public Access", and set up a list of allowed guests that can TP to the sim. Then you and yor guests will have privacy while there.

Nothing else works. Not altitude, not scripted security orbs, not banlines. Nothing. If there is one square meter in an adjacent sim or parcel that you do not control access to, then someone can stand in that unrestricted space and effectively enter your area at will.

Obviously I'm not a builder otherwise I'd understand the reason for a cam so theres no need to be insulting. Geesh.

The use of cams while shopping is a great idea I'll have to try that.

I asked what was a cam good for to get polite useful answers and in part I did get just that. Thank you to those of you who cleared up that topic for me.

As far as privacy. I am an intelligent woman who hasn't been in SL all that long so being in my home and going through my wardrobe and finding a man standing behind me even though this is a game sends my adrenaline soaring thruogh my body. Its very upsetting.

The owner of the land is the friend I speak of and apparently this person who was camming has a history of perving his properties.

At the time our security system was not working. He did fix that, but I do however do " naugthy things' in my home such as being intimate with my partner in SL and was trying to learn about camming. This was teh reason for my question.

I was told by someone there is a hud of invisiblity that we can wear so that no one can see us but we can see each other. I could give a rats a.. if they cam into the house I just don't want them doing it when I'm having fun. Does anyone know about this hud and where I can get one?

Exactly!

If you're building, you can go into the most difficult spots, look from all the angles at something, zoom way in for detail work, and zoom way out to move your building off your friend. You can fix on a point, rotate and around and very efficiently see a part of your building from the inside and outside.

When you're arranging things on a piece of land, you can move your point of view directly overhead and arrange buildings, pavilions, whatever, quickly and easily, with reference to your property lines.

And like Treasure said, shopping! It's so much faster to cam around, go upstairs and down, than it is to walk.

And if we couldn't separate our camera from ourselves, it would be very difficult to take self portraits.

No such thing actually works.

No HUD is going to affect what someone else can see. Only what you can see.

No invisiprim or shield or scripted gizmo is going to hide anything other than your naked skin. Your prim hair, and your boyfriend's prim male bits, and any other non-skin parts, will still be visible, jiggling and jerking in the air. And most likely, that is all YOU will see as well!

Sounds like urban legend to me...I know of no such HUD.

Sarna...congratulations! The fact that you feel upset about someone perving you indicates that you "get" Second Life. You have the ability to become immersed in the virtual world, to feel the reality of what happens there. Not everyone can do this.

Something like this happened to me early on, and I can still remember how I shook with reaction afterwards.

The thing to do is to practice UN-immersing yourself when bad things happen. Let's say you are doing "naughty things" with your partner. Someone shows up, standing right by your bedside. You could allow yourself to feel violated. Or...you could:

1. Remember that your avatar is not you. Pull out of your immersion and sit back behind your computer monitor for a moment. Your av is a cartoon, it doesn't look like you, you are completely anonymous.
2. Eject and ban the intruder. Or shoot him. Or taunt him. Or any number of amusing things.
3. Or ask him if he'd like to join you.
4. Or open a conversation with him, give him a landmark to Neva Naughty's Orgy Room and send him on his merry way.
5. Or, if you are flustered and can't think of any other response, hit CTRL+Q and log out. Take a few minutes to collect yourself.

[EDIT: Holy Cats! 8,000 posts.]

*nods*

I recall one of the first times I had an intruder show up at my bedside.

I was in a skybox, 700M above open water. Nothing to invite a well-intentioned stranger to even look in that corner of the sky, over a residential sim. In fact, most of that bay was owned by the sim owner, as maintenance land, and it wasn't the least bit obvious that any individual had a parcel out there.

While getting cozy with my special someone, I suddelly got a glimpse of a black-clad stranger standing at the foot of my bed, staring at us. Someone I had never heard of, and certainly hadn't invided into my fully-enclosed skybox!

After my initial outrage, I banned him from my land. He retalliated by "attacking" my skybox from just outside my parcel, using a particle-spewing flamethrower. Didn't do anything, of course. Damage and Push were disabled on my land, so he couldn't actually touch us in any way. Just annoying and distracting.

I proceeded to ban him from the entire 4-sim Estate, since I happened to be Estate Manager for the sim owner. Then I abuse reported him, for Assault.

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I've heard of other people that used the parcel-owner's ability to freeze someone in place for 10 seconds, and proceeded to "decorate" the intruder with a prim wig, prim Hula skirt, fake boobs, and other nonsense, while repeatedly re-instating the Freeze and insulting his "manhood" the whole time.

slacker.

WOOT!

If one cant handle the idea of being watched in Sl then only 100% effective way not to be is log out. I have found if you know your being watched IMing the person and tell them to make sure they film your best side often gets them to leave

Building those homes and buildings. It's vital.

I usually put out a tip jar.

I've run the gamut from being fiercely protective of my privacy in SL, to no longer caring. If you are that bored, watch all you want. If you try to "insert yourself into the situation", you'll be ejected, banned, and called very insulting names in words you probably won't understand.

Wait... Do you mean LOOKING into your home with the cam, or using the cam to GET into your home in the OP?

If it is the former, then there's not a lot you can do... but if the latter, you can set your home security system to eject and ban them, or do it manually using the land or pie menu if you don't have a security system.

And yes, I know what you mean about the adrenaline... once time I was working on my building platform, and there was this guy floating in the sky watching me... wearing leather chaps with his thingy flapping in the breeze! I didn't even take the time to IM him, just clicked "Eject" and banned him, then sat there wondering whether to laugh or be embarrassed (I was a little shaken, but it WAS funny. Maybe my naked plywood prims turned him on.)

Ceera's story reminds me of one of my own. I was on my own in my fully enclosed skybox (I could see out, but people couldn't see in without camming), when a guy flew up, hovered for a short time, and then was suddenly inside my skybox. I ejected him.

He flew up again, shouted something to the effect that I'm going to meet my doom, and proceeded to put a platform a few meters from my skybox and build four canons on it, all pointing at my skybox. Then he stood there with his wooden canons and stared at my box. He could do that because he owned the adjacent plot. For a few days, he occasionally stood with his wooden canons and stared at my skybox but he soon got bored with it.

If that's was doom, it was funny. We had a few laughs at his expense.