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Coyote Momiji
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10-22-2007 18:59
From: Whispering Hush
Do you actually have anything to contribute other than "get over it?"


It's sage advice for a person in your position, actually. Perhaps you learn by repition?

GTFOI. There're MUCH worse things on the grid to worry about, like Gorean babyfur BDSM-mind-controlling racecar drivers that fart in public.
Whispering Hush
Join date: 20 Mar 2007
Posts: 277
10-22-2007 19:01
From: Coyote Momiji
It's sage advice for a person in your position, actually. Perhaps you learn by repition?

GTFOI. There're MUCH worse things on the grid to worry about, like Gorean babyfur BDSM-mind-controlling racecar drivers that fart in public.


Thank you for confirming that your only "sage advice" is to "GTFOI".

Please feel free to take your own advice.
Joker Opus
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Join date: 9 May 2006
Posts: 363
10-22-2007 19:03
Oh boy, this post is way past done.
In a nutshell, Whispering saw a stack of combat items, and he sat on them, and it hurt his avatar. Yes, it is very poor of a Linden Volunteer to displace greifing weapons such as that, however it IS a weapons testing sandbox. One thing that he did do that was unexceptable was tell you that he was teaching people a lesson, and in my thoughts, that is wrong.

There is no need to keep argueing on this issue, the statements are past constructive, and this is beginning to be elementary and hateful. We are all adults here! In the future if this happens, it is best to file an AR or take it up with a Linden associated with the VTeam (Volunteer Team).

I hope I was of some help!
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Whispering Hush
Join date: 20 Mar 2007
Posts: 277
10-22-2007 19:05
From: Joker Opus
Oh boy, this post is way past done.
In a nutshell, Whispering saw a stack of combat items, and he sat on them, and it hurt his avatar. Yes, it is very poor of a Linden Volunteer to displace greifing weapons such as that, however it IS a weapons testing sandbox. One thing that he did do that was unexceptable was tell you that he was teaching people a lesson, and in my thoughts, that is wrong.

There is no need to keep argueing on this issue, the statements are past constructive, and this is beginning to be elementary and hateful. We are all adults here! In the future if this happens, it is best to file an AR or take it up with a Linden associated with the VTeam (Volunteer Team).

I hope I was of some help!


Whisper is not male, otherwise you're spot on.

:-)
Joker Opus
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10-22-2007 19:08
My appologies
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Schwanson Schlegel
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10-22-2007 19:08
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Whispering Hush
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10-22-2007 19:10
From: Schwanson Schlegel


I wish you looked like that.
Ava Glasgow
Hippie surfer chick
Join date: 27 Jan 2007
Posts: 2,172
10-22-2007 19:13
From: Whispering Hush
Do you actually have anything to contribute other than "get over it?"

Oooo, I do, I do!!!

DON'T get over it! :D

Seriously. It's so much more fun to get wildly upset over what is at most a mildly embarassing event, and then go apesh*t when people don't come running to comfort you, poor helpless victim that you are. There's really nothing to compare to that deep festering feeling of hatred toward the world.




Did I win? :)
Coyote Momiji
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Join date: 13 Aug 2006
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10-22-2007 19:16
From: Ava Glasgow

Did I win? :)


My hand in marriage if you want it.
Whispering Hush
Join date: 20 Mar 2007
Posts: 277
10-22-2007 19:22
From: Ava Glasgow
Oooo, I do, I do!!!

DON'T get over it! :D

Seriously. It's so much more fun to get wildly upset over what is at most a mildly embarassing event, and then go apesh*t when people don't come running to comfort you, poor helpless victim that you are. There's really nothing to compare to that deep festering feeling of hatred toward the world.




Did I win? :)


Seriously?

You are not capable of understanding the methods used to actually build the object, I doubt that you have any more than the tiniest understanding of LSL, and are completely in awe of anyone who can write a light script.

Now that you have been informed that these objects actually exist, and can with one click deform your avatar, just realize that next time you click on anything not *BUILT* by you, that you risk deformation.

Now think about a day old noob doing that. Someone with zero experience, zero friends, and the help of a mentor like this one.

Yeah Ava, you win.

It's all about you.
Coyote Momiji
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10-22-2007 19:31
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
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Posts: 2,359
10-22-2007 19:48
From: Whispering Hush
Seriously?

You are not capable of understanding the methods used to actually build the object, I doubt that you have any more than the tiniest understanding of LSL, and are completely in awe of anyone who can write a light script.

Now that you have been informed that these objects actually exist, and can with one click deform your avatar, just realize that next time you click on anything not *BUILT* by you, that you risk deformation.

Now think about a day old noob doing that. Someone with zero experience, zero friends, and the help of a mentor like this one.

Yeah Ava, you win.

It's all about you.


if I weep for you is it possible that you will drop the idiocy?
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Whispering Hush
Join date: 20 Mar 2007
Posts: 277
10-22-2007 19:57
From: Toy LaFollette
if I weep for you is it possible that you will drop the idiocy?


If you add one constructive element to the debate, I'll consider it as a sign the world is indeed ending.
Kokoro Fasching
Pixie Dust and Sugar
Join date: 23 Dec 2005
Posts: 949
10-22-2007 20:02
I consider it griefing because there was no pie.

There should always be pie.
Coyote Momiji
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Join date: 13 Aug 2006
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10-22-2007 20:05
From: Kokoro Fasching
I consider it griefing because there was no pie.

There should always be pie.



Your argument is indeed persuasive.
Ava Glasgow
Hippie surfer chick
Join date: 27 Jan 2007
Posts: 2,172
10-22-2007 20:05
From: Coyote Momiji
My hand in marriage if you want it.

:) /me loves Coyo! :)

From: Whispering Hush
Seriously?

Well, admittedly I put it in a humorous context, but yes, I'm quite serious. I think you overreacted to what was a complete non-issue, and I think your behavior toward the people here who disagree with you has been unacceptably rude. Not that it was right of me to come back at you so hard, but I got tired of just sitting politely on the sidelines while you attacked and ridiculed people who were giving you good advice.

From: someone
You are not capable of understanding the methods used to actually build the object, I doubt that you have any more than the tiniest understanding of LSL, and are completely in awe of anyone who can write a light script.

Now that you have been informed that these objects actually exist, and can with one click deform your avatar, just realize that next time you click on anything not *BUILT* by you, that you risk deformation.

I'm a little unclear whether you mean you or me here. If you meant me: Although I eventually switched majors, I studied computer programming for three years and was really quite good at it. That was a long time ago, but I have an easy enough time understanding scripts, including LSL.

I was aware that these objects exist. I've seen them discussed here, and I am pretty sure I've seen them for sale on SLX. I know enough about them to know that a deformed avatar is not the end of the world, and that it's nothing a quick relog can't resolve. It is a minor inconvenience, nothing more.

I will admit I sometimes click on things not owned by me. When something unexpected happens, I think to myself "Silly Ava, that's what you get for randomly clicking unknown objects."

From: someone
Now think about a day old noob doing that. Someone with zero experience, zero friends, and the help of a mentor like this one.

Well, assuming the day old noob can read english, they would probably notice that they were in a weapons testing sandbox, and that touching a pile of nuclear weapons might cause something unpleasant to happen.

Even if the deforming scared them, I would expect their reaction to be relogging, which would fix everything.

Now if I were that noob, I would go back and do it again, but that's just me. :)

From: someone
Yeah Ava, you win.
It's all about you.

(1) Cool. :)
(2) /me looks up "projection" in a psychological dictionary


You know, Hush, I am sorry you had an unpleasant experience, but I really think you are your own worst enemy. Overreacting to something so minor, and holding on to anger the way you are doing, it hurts you way more than anyone else. Hopefully someday you will learn to let go of little things like this, and you will see that Coyote's advice is really the best thing you can do.
Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
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10-22-2007 20:05
From: Whispering Hush
If you add one constructive element to the debate, I'll consider it as a sign the world is indeed ending.


As soon as I see one from you, so far its simple whining that no one really cares about.
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Har Fairweather
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Join date: 24 Jan 2007
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10-22-2007 20:05
From: Kokoro Fasching
I consider it griefing because there was no pie.

There should always be pie.


And something flame-broiled to go with it. We've got the flames.
Kokoro Fasching
Pixie Dust and Sugar
Join date: 23 Dec 2005
Posts: 949
10-22-2007 20:09
From: Har Fairweather
And something flame-broiled to go with it. We've got the flames.


Toasted Pie! Makes the chocolate ice cream melt better!
Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,359
10-22-2007 20:10
oh god, flame broiling now Im starving !!!!
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Ava Glasgow
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Join date: 27 Jan 2007
Posts: 2,172
10-22-2007 20:26
Okay kids, do you want Baked Alaska?







... or Cherries Flambé?

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Whispering Hush
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10-22-2007 20:28
From: Ava Glasgow
:) /me loves Coyo! :)


Well, admittedly I put it in a humorous context, but yes, I'm quite serious. I think you overreacted to what was a complete non-issue, and I think your behavior toward the people here who disagree with you has been unacceptably rude. Not that it was right of me to come back at you so hard, but I got tired of just sitting politely on the sidelines while you attacked and ridiculed people who were giving you good advice.

I'm a little unclear whether you mean you or me here. If you meant me: Although I eventually switched majors, I studied computer programming for three years and was really quite good at it. That was a long time ago, but I have an easy enough time understanding scripts, including LSL.

I was aware that these objects exist. I've seen them discussed here, and I am pretty sure I've seen them for sale on SLX. I know enough about them to know that a deformed avatar is not the end of the world, and that it's nothing a quick relog can't resolve. It is a minor inconvenience, nothing more.

I will admit I sometimes click on things not owned by me. When something unexpected happens, I think to myself "Silly Ava, that's what you get for randomly clicking unknown objects."

Well, assuming the day old noob can read english, they would probably notice that they were in a weapons testing sandbox, and that touching a pile of nuclear weapons might cause something unpleasant to happen.

Even if the deforming scared them, I would expect their reaction to be relogging, which would fix everything.

Now if I were that noob, I would go back and do it again, but that's just me. :)


(1) Cool. :)
(2) /me looks up "projection" in a psychological dictionary


You know, Hush, I am sorry you had an unpleasant experience, but I really think you are your own worst enemy. Overreacting to something so minor, and holding on to anger the way you are doing, it hurts you way more than anyone else. Hopefully someday you will learn to let go of little things like this, and you will see that Coyote's advice is really the best thing you can do.


Such pan determinism. Sounds like a great way to live. I would debate a few of your points though.

Going through life with the attitude of "Silly Ava, that's what you get for randomly clicking unknown objects" sure sounds fine, until you think it through a little further, and reach the *fact* that it's not "thats what you get for randomly clicking unknown objects", it's "thats what you get for clicking a griefing object".

There's no mystery here. This object was built for one purpose. Call a spade a spade for gods sake, then go relog and click it again if that be your want.

I didn't have an unpleasant experience. I've had undeformer tools since i visited baku and found out about this crap months ago. Even then i didn't consider it an unpleasant experience, as i said, I'm over a year old.

I also convinced a tool maker to include these tools in her popular tools collection.

What outrages me, is that a member of a Second Life Mentor group has seen fit to put this crap in an object, and put that object in sandboxes.

There's no doubt at all that noobs will click these things, and no doubt at all that doing so will make them log off. Whether they log back on is another question entirely.

Have a good read of that psychological dictionary.
Ava Glasgow
Hippie surfer chick
Join date: 27 Jan 2007
Posts: 2,172
10-22-2007 20:52
*sigh*

Hush, you're just never going to get it. You look for battles where there are none. You've got your ego wrapped up so tight in this, you can't see the situation for what it was: harmless.

So knock yourself out, obsess about this for days, even weeks. I'm sure you will enjoy telling anyone who will listen all about how you were wronged, and how the people on the forums are just stupid griefer-loving nobodies.

As for me, I'm going to go have fun in Second Life. I hear there's a fun toy in the weapons testing sandbox. :)
Gaybot Blessed
Heavenly Input Collector
Join date: 3 Oct 2007
Posts: 306
10-22-2007 20:55
Wow! What a flame festival this thread is! However, I think I will post here anyways, lol.

Whispering, you seem to have some good points which made me think twice about this controversial issue. You may want to convey them in a more constructive and positive way though, as your arguments are a little harsh and come across as personal attacks.

Weapons Testing Sandbox....well, in my humble opinion, a place named as such would be a region where I would expect people to be firing weapons at each other which comply with the TOS. I assume that weapons developers would ask friends to come there to test their weapons on them. Hey, since we can open multiple instances of the client, we can use our alts as guinea pigs. If damage is enabled at this area, I still believe consent is required to attack each other because of the name of the sim which indicates its purpose. I believe purely combative sims require no consent to attack each other. (not sure)

My experience with nukes in this platform is that they are a TOS violation as they disrupt the computer performance on LL's end (lag) while griefing avatars with sounds and particles. The "sit on object and deform the avatar" trick was played on me by a friend long ago. I thought it was funny and scary at the time; I imagine a new person would find it terrifying. It probably wouldn't hurt to remove it from the platform if possible.

So what's your point Gaybot? Ah, I'm glad you brought that up, Mr. Foxley....

I believe that a mentor using this kind of weaponry/scripting is a bad idea. I think of mentors as employees of Linden Lab even though they are unpaid volunteers. In my opinion, they represent SL in a way much like the Lindens do. Employees should not be associated with items used to grief people or degrade grid performance. Do I think mentors have a right to use nukes and "avatar warping scripts" in appropriate areas? Sure. Is it a good idea? No. Should they be abuse reported, banned, and stripped of their mentor status? No. Look what this issue has caused in the forums of SL. I think that supports my theory as to why having these items linked to a mentor's name in world is not a good idea.

Now let's all have some pie!
Hugsy Penguin
Sky Junkie
Join date: 20 Jun 2005
Posts: 851
10-22-2007 21:08
From: Whispering Hush
Seriously?

You are not capable of understanding the methods used to actually build the object, I doubt that you have any more than the tiniest understanding of LSL, and are completely in awe of anyone who can write a light script.

Now that you have been informed that these objects actually exist, and can with one click deform your avatar, just realize that next time you click on anything not *BUILT* by you, that you risk deformation.

Now think about a day old noob doing that. Someone with zero experience, zero friends, and the help of a mentor like this one.

Yeah Ava, you win.

It's all about you.


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