the mentor is a griefer!

Yep. I was in the weapons testing sandbox this evening, when i noticed a stack of nukes. You've probably seen them in sandboxes all over sl, and if you're unlucky enough, at your place during an attack.

Well these things have been well and truly tested, and as they sure don't fit the description of weapons testing, ie, it wasn't the creator legitimately testing his stuff for use in area's where that use is legitimate, i went to AR them.

Surprise surprise, fisrt, they were owned by a SL Mentor. Yep. One of those people whose job it is to describe why it is a bad idea to grief, and to help newbies.

Second thing i noticed, was that the default action was not touch/grab, it was sit.

Ah, i thought, some one has made a chair out of them. cool!

Wrong. The mentor had made a deformer out of them. Yep, this guy had gone and made a griefing object out of a griefing object.

When i immed him about it, he made an excuse as if to say he was "teaching" a "lesson" to those people who click on things in sandboxes.

Excuse me? That might fly if he had not set the default action to sit, but seeing as he had, he had made a chair, and was in fact griefing those who tried to sit in his chair.

This is just so wrong.

Am i alone in thinking this guy needs a holiday from the mentor group?

Whisper.

The qualifications for mentor were always "can you type an english sentence and are you willing to wait for some number of months until we process your 'application'?".

Hell, they even let me be a mentor!

Its not really a griefer object IMO. The Mentor neutered it. The only thing that happens is it deforms you when you sit on it? Don't sit on it.

I found the Mentor program so degraded by the membership itself that I resigned from it. I found myself embarrassed even being in the group. I kept my old SL Instructor and Live Help membership.

Why AR? .. did the owner attack you with them?

It's not only a WT sandbox for original creations .. many people use them to test newly purchased weps .. Where is the abuse in that?

Yes, the owner did. Read the post, he made a chair. The default action is to sit. Now i have the undeform tools, it was trivial for me, a resident of over 12 months, to fix my avatar. What is not trivial is for a noob to find one of this MENTOR'S chairs, and then be griefed by him.

sigh.

You said and I quote "when i noticed a stack of nukes." .. NOT "when i noticed a chair."

They were not doing you any harm untill you clicked on the "stack of nukes" ..

What happened after you go clicking on something that does not belong to you is your lookout.

I don't agree that setting the "When Left Clicked" to any other option could be construed as abusing anyone. Especially if they are not invited to click in the first place.

Nice try, but that argument does not hold water. When moused over, the cursor changes shape to a chair, thus the invitation is by cue. This is the intent of the feature, to indicate to a user, that the object is for sitting on.

As for the object "not belonging to me (or anyone other than the actual owner)", so what? This is a known exploit of the permissions system, performed by someone who should know better. A MENTOR.

Whatever his reasoning, he has created an object that will grief, and further more is setting it down in public places for unwitting people to find and be griefed by.

What do you fail to understand about that?

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Wow. That's quite the impressive molehill.

Why someone would want to sit on a nuke?

Thank you. Anything else?

The real question is "why would someone make a nuke into a chair?" There's only one way to find out.

It's not a case of "you shouldn't click on other peoples objects", this is second life, everyone clicks on everyone else's objects. It's encouraged. That's the way the place works.

This is a case of a Mentor losing the plot and joining in the griefing. Something that Mentors are not supposed to do. Something that Mentors should in fact never do.

Show me a linden that says it's o.k. to grief a griefer. Show me a linden who thinks that this guys actions are ok.

This is not what Mentors are for. Escalation is escalation, and it's wrong no matter who you are, or think you are.

I'm failing to see how this is griefing. It's an experiment in a weapons testing sandbox.

GTFOI.

I agree with the OP on this one. The device was bait, pure and simple. Deforming an AV without their prior knowledge and consent is a nasty practical joke.

This sort of thing should be far beneath any Linden Volunteer. Shame on them.

Sorry, i should have added that i also found his work on sandbox island.

GAFL.

I click on things unintentionally all the time, usually because I just want to change the focus, but sometimes just because of a twitch.

I suppose it's possible to have some sort of game or entertainment area where people are expecting to be very deliberate in their clicking. But for the most part, it's inappropriate for objects to do something as a result of a single click that's difficult to undo.

Why couldn't this be considered weapons testing? He made nukes (A weapon yeah?) Into another weapon, a deformer..not the nicest thing to do, but I think it should still be considered WT... if you're in a WT sandbox, and clicking nukes, you're kinda weird imo....

WHen I'm in a sandbox I might check who made something, or owns it if it offensive, but I don't click, even if its just a house or something. Someone made it for a reason, and that reason most likely is NOT me.... And if its something that looks like a weapon I avoid it.

And those damned flexy penises (Or is that penii?)...thats just annoying...

Crossposting is also a no go.

lol

Nope. Not gonna go there

No, I wouldn't expect AR's by people because of what would happen if they sat on my nukes. Also, this is an answer to your question, and I wouldn't expect to see people being attacked for that.

I can't see how this is griefing if you voluntarily sat on the missle in a weapons testing area, surely some part of you had to recognize that something unpredictable could happen.

In this case it's nuclear escalation, LOL! Sorry to derail, I just thought that was funny.

Let me see if I have this correctly. You were in a weapons testing sandbox. You decided to sit on a stack of missiles without asking permission or inquiring what they would do. As a result you found out they would deform your av and therefore want to AR the individual.

Hmmm, that makes perfect sense to me.

I'm new to SL, only been here 3 1/2 years, so I'm curious how sitting on ANYTHING can deform your avatar to the point of you having to do anything besides "Stand Up" to deform your avatar.

When you sit, you give permission to have any animation played. If that's what you mean by deform anyways...

Nobody mentioned - but did you file an AR???? And mention it was a mentor's object? Its not a mentor's job to "teach people a lesson to not click on things." Second Life was made for clicking things ... and chairs were made for sitting. If someone was testing the object, they should have been right there to "test" it.