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the mentor is a griefer!

Ava Glasgow
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10-22-2007 12:44
From: Whispering Hush
Sorry, i should have added that i also found his work on sandbox island.

GAFL.

Hush, if you found an active booby trap in a non-combat zone, you should have just stated that first. Please don't get mad at the people here for simply pointing out the obvious: there was no reason to AR the person for using a weapon in a weapons testing sim. For all you know, his testing consisted of seeing whether anyone would fall for his ploy. Testing results: successful.

If you really did see the same item, in its active form, in a non-combat zone, then do feel free to AR that.
Rhaorth Antonelli
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10-22-2007 13:51
From: FireEyes Fauna
I'm new to SL, only been here 3 1/2 years, so I'm curious how sitting on ANYTHING can deform your avatar to the point of you having to do anything besides "Stand Up" to deform your avatar.

When you sit, you give permission to have any animation played. If that's what you mean by deform anyways...


there is something out there, that totally messes up the avatar, stretched arms legs weird bending etc
(saw it on slex as well)

and standing up doesn't change it
logging out should (did for me) return you to normal

and when it was done to me (with my persmission) others still saw me as normal
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10-22-2007 14:36
you dont have to sit on a item to A/R it
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Jax Jevon
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10-22-2007 15:12
From: poopmaster Oh
you dont have to sit on a item to A/R it


True .. assuming it's not broadly offensive or sits on you without invite.
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Hugsy Penguin
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10-22-2007 15:13
From: Whispering Hush
It's not a case of "you shouldn't click on other peoples objects", this is second life, everyone clicks on everyone else's objects. It's encouraged. That's the way the place works.


From: Lelia Wakawaka
Second Life was made for clicking things ... and chairs were made for sitting. If someone was testing the object, they should have been right there to "test" it.


WTF? Second Life was *not* made for "clicking things" and you are *not* invited to "click on everyone else's objects".

If you're in a sandbox pissing around with someone else's stuff they've built, click on it, and don't like the results, tough shit. If you're in someone's private home, click on something and don't like the results, tough shit.

If you're in an open-to-the-public area and are invited to click on things explicitly or implicitly (this does *not* describe sandboxes) then maybe there's room to complain.

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10-22-2007 15:21
Aren't people supposed to clean up their stuff in a sandbox before they leave?

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Jax Jevon
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10-22-2007 15:30
It was'nt posted that he left .. according to teh original post he answered question.

BUT .. if teh OP had included

"Sorry, i should have added that i also found his work on sandbox island. GAFL."

( quote Whispering Hush @ post 15)

My original reply would have been quite diffrent.

But still not worthy of attack.
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Erin Talamasca
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10-22-2007 15:40
I think it's kinda sad that there's the opinion you shouldn't be allowed to click on anything you find. Part of the fun I found as a newbie was exploring and trying things. I had the sense to stay out of places that were obviously private (Do Not Be Clicking On Strangers' Balls) - and I was usually over-cautious, not always knowing what was ok and what wasn't. But I didn't think I was doing anything wrong by trying what people made and left in public spaces. Particularly in a sandbox! If someone was working on it, fair enough - but if, like someone mentioned before, they haven't cleaned up after themselves, why shouldn't a person have a poke at things left around?
Jax Jevon
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10-22-2007 15:44
It's not that your " not allowed to click on anything you find " .. it's just be aware that you need do more that just 1 click .. you need then to accept the offers .. or a second click ..

One click will do nothing..

One Right click to get the "Pie" menu then a second click to get your reward.

Click away .. find your pie.

This has become a lame thread to me ..
if the OP had included teh info @ post 15 I would never have responded..
but to be showed impatience "Sigh" BS .. even through a flawed OP sure :)

QRT
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10-22-2007 15:50
*falls over laughing* I have no idea what to think of this, actually.

Here's what I've managed to choke out of my poor allergy med rattled brain:

It was in a Weapon Testing Sandbox, meaning one can be shot/killed/etc! It's the open warfare and fair game sandbox, so it's probably not the brightest thing to go clicking on objects there.. unless one WANTS bad things to happen.

Now, if this was in the regular sandboxes, I could understand an AR. But it was in a WT sandbox.. that'd be like ARing the person who has a bomb that you clicked on and it sent your behind to the home position. Or like a person complaining about going to a hardware store, picking up a hammer and beating themselves in the head with it while complaining about a headache. If this contraption was for sale, by all means AR it.

Most intelligent newbies will only go clicking on strange things in a WT sandbox ONCE.. providing they make it that far into the sandbox before being shot home. WT sandboxes are prime proof of the whole 'survival of the fittest,' concept. Lab rats don't keep biting things that shock the crap out of them and I'd like to hope that humans are slightly more intelligent ;)

Yeah, the person whose a SL mentor probably shouldn't be 'teaching people not to click things.' Probably not the best way to get some poor confused newb to open up to you so you can help them. I'll agree that does sound rather like the jerk complex.. but that would be grounds for a discussion with the SL Mentor's head, rather than an AR.

Any rate, this is now in Linden Labs hands.. I'm kinda curious as to what they'd decide.
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10-22-2007 15:58
From: Erin Talamasca
I think it's kinda sad that there's the opinion you shouldn't be allowed to click on anything you find. Part of the fun I found as a newbie was exploring and trying things. I had the sense to stay out of places that were obviously private (Do Not Be Clicking On Strangers' Balls) - and I was usually over-cautious, not always knowing what was ok and what wasn't. But I didn't think I was doing anything wrong by trying what people made and left in public spaces. Particularly in a sandbox! If someone was working on it, fair enough - but if, like someone mentioned before, they haven't cleaned up after themselves, why shouldn't a person have a poke at things left around?


I wouldn't say you're wrong for playing around with stuff left behind in a sandbox (that's kind of the flip-side to the equation), just wrong if you do so and get mad about what happens. Of coarse that depends on exactly what happens. If clicking it launches a grid attack, yeah that's ARable. If clicking it deforms your avatar making you have to relog, excuse while I twirl my finger in the air and go "whoop dee doo".

I got a toilet somewhere that when you sat on it, it made a flushing sound and animated you like you were getting flushed. I don't want to have to worry about some idiot ARing me because they couldn't resist sitting on it and then got offended by getting flushed down the comode.

Exploring can certainly be a fun part of SL and I do encourage that, but if you're going to be messing around with someone else's stuff, then (in general) no bitching about what might happen.

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10-22-2007 16:46
From: Hugsy Penguin
I wouldn't say you're wrong for playing around with stuff left behind in a sandbox (that's kind of the flip-side to the equation), just wrong if you do so and get mad about what happens. Of coarse that depends on exactly what happens. If clicking it launches a grid attack, yeah that's ARable. If clicking it deforms your avatar making you have to relog, excuse while I twirl my finger in the air and go "whoop dee doo".

I got a toilet somewhere that when you sat on it, it made a flushing sound and animated you like you were getting flushed. I don't want to have to worry about some idiot ARing me because they couldn't resist sitting on it and then got offended by getting flushed down the comode.

Exploring can certainly be a fun part of SL and I do encourage that, but if you're going to be messing around with someone else's stuff, then (in general) no bitching about what might happen.

--Hugsy


You are excused.

Excuse us if we all twirl our fingers in the air, and ignore your apologist attitude, and next time someone griefs your sim one hopes the lindens twirl their fingers in the air and say "whoop tee doo, the guy is just testing unstable physical objects in a sim to make sure the physics engine is operating correctly".

I have no time for fools who apologize for griefing, by shifting blame from the creator of the object to the person griefed.

You sir are an ass.
Ava Glasgow
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10-22-2007 17:13
From: Whispering Hush
You are excused.

Excuse us if we all twirl our fingers in the air, and ignore your apologist attitude, and next time someone griefs your sim one hopes the lindens twirl their fingers in the air and say "whoop tee doo, the guy is just testing unstable physical objects in a sim to make sure the physics engine is operating correctly".

I have no time for fools who apologize for griefing, by shifting blame from the creator of the object to the person griefed.

You sir are an ass.


Oh FFS! :rolleyes:

Nobody's apologizing for griefing, because griefing did not take place.

And if someone were testing an unstable physical object in a place set aside for testing the physics engine -- for example, the beta grid which is currently being used to test the new physics engine -- that would also not be griefing.

Weapons testing sandbox = an appropriate place to test weapons. Echoing Coyo... GTFOI.
Whispering Hush
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10-22-2007 17:19
From: Jax Jevon
It's not that your " not allowed to click on anything you find " .. it's just be aware that you need do more that just 1 click .. you need then to accept the offers .. or a second click ..

One click will do nothing..

One Right click to get the "Pie" menu then a second click to get your reward.

Click away .. find your pie.

This has become a lame thread to me ..
if the OP had included teh info @ post 15 I would never have responded..
but to be showed impatience "Sigh" BS .. even through a flawed OP sure :)

QRT


This just shows that you really do fail to understand the issue. *You* need to be aware that it takes JUST ONE CLICK to activate this, as i clearly explained in the first post, and subsequently.

This is a well known permissions exploit/feature. There was nothing flawed about my first post, just you trying to apologize for a griefer in your posts, and failing miserably.

Your comments have become inane.
Whispering Hush
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10-22-2007 17:22
From: Ava Glasgow
Oh FFS! :rolleyes:

Nobody's apologizing for griefing, because griefing did not take place.

And if someone were testing an unstable physical object in a place set aside for testing the physics engine -- for example, the beta grid which is currently being used to test the new physics engine -- that would also not be griefing.

Weapons testing sandbox = an appropriate place to test weapons. Echoing Coyo... GTFOI.


Bzzzzzzzzzzzzttttt

It is not appropriate to test weapons on anyone without their express permission, anywhere in second life, including the weapons testing sandbox.

Thank you for playing.
Hugsy Penguin
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10-22-2007 17:26
From: Whispering Hush
You are excused.

Excuse us if we all twirl our fingers in the air, and ignore your apologist attitude, and next time someone griefs your sim one hopes the lindens twirl their fingers in the air and say "whoop tee doo, the guy is just testing unstable physical objects in a sim to make sure the physics engine is operating correctly".

I have no time for fools who apologize for griefing, by shifting blame from the creator of the object to the person griefed.


So, you want to equate purposefully crashing a sim with an unstable physical object to having your avatar made to look funny because you sat on something you probably shouldn't have been messing with in the first place. *rolls eyes* I guess it's no wonder why some people are unsatisified with LL's response to their "abuse" reports.

From: Whispering Hush
You sir are an ass.


How mature.

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10-22-2007 17:33
From: Whispering Hush
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzttttt

It is not appropriate to test weapons on anyone without their express permission, anywhere in second life, including the weapons testing sandbox.

Thank you for playing.


Jessie? Rausch? Damage enabled land? Weapons Testing sandboxes? We can't shoot people without asking first in combat sims?

If this is true, I quit.
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Ava Glasgow
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10-22-2007 17:34
From: Whispering Hush
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzttttt

It is not appropriate to test weapons on anyone without their express permission, anywhere in second life, including the weapons testing sandbox.

Thank you for playing.


Oh, sweetie... let's try this one more time. I'll go slowly.

If you have someone's express permission, you may test your weapons on them anywhere in SL. A weapons testing sandbox limited by this same rule would not be a weapons testing sandbox. It would just be land.

By going to a combat region or a weapons testing sandbox, you are giving everyone there permission to attack you with weapons.

There, that wasn't so hard, was it?
Whispering Hush
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10-22-2007 17:34
From: Hugsy Penguin
So, you want to equate purposefully crashing a sim with an unstable physical object to having your avatar made to look funny because you sat on something you probably shouldn't have been messing with in the first place. *rolls eyes* I guess it's no wonder why some people are unsatisified with LL's response to their "abuse" reports.



How mature.

--Hugsy


No I don't want to equate two unequal propositions, obviously.

I want to draw attention to the fact that your argument is basically, "It's ok to grief if you can trick the person you grief into activating the griefing object you made".

Do you have anything to add to your argument, or is that it in a nutshell?
Whispering Hush
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10-22-2007 17:36
From: Ava Glasgow
Oh, sweetie... let's try this one more time. I'll go slowly.

If you have someone's express permission, you may test your weapons on them anywhere in SL. A weapons testing sandbox limited by this same rule would not be a weapons testing sandbox. It would just be land.

By going to a combat region or a weapons testing sandbox, you are giving everyone there permission to attack you with weapons.

There, that wasn't so hard, was it?



Gee, I'll type slower so that you have time to catch up.

In no way shape or form are you giving anyone permission to test weapons on you by entering the weapons testing sandbox.

There, read it twice.
Whispering Hush
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10-22-2007 17:46
From: Schwanson Schlegel
Jessie? Rausch? Damage enabled land? Weapons Testing sandboxes? We can't shoot people without asking first in combat sims?

If this is true, I quit.


Time you read the rules methinks, the weapons testing sandbox is not damage enabled, therefore you are not entering an area where you give express permission for combat.

So to answer your query, (and i love showing a 2003 resident up) Yes, in combat sims you certainly may shoot people. You'll notice the little heart icon in the title bar.

Go to the weapons testing sandbox, no heart icon, damage is not enabled, no permission at all to interfere with anyone.

Thank you.
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10-22-2007 17:48
Geez ....... I'll type slower K ?




You click and sit on a nuke LOL .. SUX Don't it ?



NO WAY DID YOU SINGLE CLICK AND GET FRIZZZED K?



READ THIS SLOW .. IT CANN'T HAPPEN K?


GET A Second Life And Stop Being a Forum Griefer ...... K?



Caught up yet ? ??
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10-22-2007 17:50
Sandbox Weapons Testing: This region is set aside for combat testing.This is a great place to test out weapons. This is not an arena for combat. If you are interested in combat, please read below or search for "How to Find Combat Regions" in the Knowledge Base.
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10-22-2007 17:52
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It is not appropriate to test weapons on anyone without their express permission, anywhere in second life


Wanna meet me in Jessie?

We can do an experiment! (I love science)
Let's meet in Jessie, I will ask to shoot you. You say no, do not shoot me. I shoot you. You AR this. We do this 50 times, you AR me every time. We report back here when we hear from LL.

Let's roll.
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10-22-2007 17:56
From: Toy LaFollette
Sandbox Weapons Testing: This region is set aside for combat testing.This is a great place to test out weapons. This is not an arena for combat. If you are interested in combat, please read below or search for "How to Find Combat Regions" in the Knowledge Base.



Wrong This region is set asside for weapons testing .
There are however Combat sandboxes such as Rausch.
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