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Natacha Chernov
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04-19-2008 08:39
We saw him right now, me and Sonja Aeghin, Magellan is in Gaeta again... But still doesn't want to meet us...
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Desmond Shang
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04-19-2008 09:33
We might want to give the man some room... I can imagine an explorer being pretty wary after being lost all this time!
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Natacha Chernov
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04-19-2008 09:59
Two recent pictures of Magellan in Gaeta:
![]() ![]() And yes, I agree with guvnah, we should give the man some room, maybe he wants to help us after all, and from various reasons just can't... And if he really phases between worlds, he would'n be very happy everytime he manages to leak in here to be surrounded by bunch of people shouting "I see you!" ... actually I'm starting to get mixed feelings about it. Salazar started to look for Magellan to find out what happened to him, and possibly offer help if needed. Now it seems to turn out into some kind of "Magellan hunt"... Maybe there is nothing bad about it, but I just don't know... (and ofcourse I was the one who shouted here loudest "I saw him! I saw him!" ![]() |
Sindy Tsure
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04-19-2008 11:38
We might want to give the man some room... Well, I won't chase him around (much) if I see him but I'm still quite interested in following this story and seeing where it goes. The sim his camp site is in has acquired the name "Squall" but none of the other sims in Gaeta have real names yet. Since last night the camp site has also been cleared of all trees and more wreckage has appeared. Nothing that I'd call a "clue" though. |
HeadBurro Antfarm
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To be fair...
04-19-2008 11:55
We might want to give the man some room... I can imagine an explorer being pretty wary after being lost all this time! ... you can't blame us for being excited about it all ![]() If only The Powers That Be could have got the ruddy clues in place before allowing our great size 9s to trample all over the shop. _____________________
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Ilianexsi Sojourner
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04-19-2008 11:55
Since last night the camp site has also been cleared of all trees and more wreckage has appeared. Nothing that I'd call a "clue" though. That's the part that I'm finding so fascinating... the way more bits and pieces appear from day to day. It's as if another campsite is stuck in a parallel dimension, and more of it appears here as the area's stability fluctuates. Must be that the unstable condition of a brand new section of the grid is what's allowing Magellan to break through again. _____________________
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Salazar Jack
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04-19-2008 12:28
That's the part that I'm finding so fascinating... the way more bits and pieces appear from day to day. It's as if another campsite is stuck in a parallel dimension, and more of it appears here as the area's stability fluctuates. Must be that the unstable condition of a brand new section of the grid is what's allowing Magellan to break through again. My money is on this as more likely. This sort of thing has happened in Kahruvel before, especially after Kyyp Fredrickson's experiments with the metal pillar replicas. http://web.mac.com/salazarjack/iWeb/Site/Blog/A0B7EA79-C663-474C-B214-AFB44D52E69E.html The area has always been more unstable since then and the small tower ruins that kami Kim discovered on her property long ago have vanished and reappeared a few times on thier own. Sometimes the stone in the tower will go phantom and then become solid again. It reminds me of my mom's story of the Erase. When I was at Magellan's camp site yesterday, I notice that his tent was phantom, at the time I thought it was peculiar and that it didn't seem to offer much protection from the elements. Now I am more of the mind that Ilia is on to something here. When Mari and I were checking out the strange behavior in Bodega a few weeks back we ran into Guy Linden who was able to determine that the Grid square for it had been attempting to run on two different servers and it was flipping back and forth between the two, creating a sort of artificial shifting of dimensions as it were. /327/34/248406/2.html#post1924497 I think the same thing may be happening at Magellan's camp site. He has been missing for two years and his camp site (what we have seen of it so far) seems to have been there far longer than just the past week or so that we have seen it. That shoreline was empty a week ago. And now, all of a sudden, there is wreckage and a weathered and tattered makeshift tent? I don't buy that. I think that Magellan went into the Void and got stranded and, until the Lindens extended the stabilizing effect of the Grid into that new continental region, his campsite has been in a state of flux. It is now just beginning to align back with our dimension. Getting tuned to the same frequency if you will. Of course I may be wrong. But I just don't think that the Lindens are setting out bits and pieces as "clues" for us. They don't have time for that. So many folks are having troubles with the Grid I think it's almost all the Lindens can do to keep the visible world stable enough to continue to make it habitable. No, I think what we are seeing is the effect produced when the Grid gets extended into an area that has previously been part of the Void, outside of the Grid's protective field. Matter that was previously unstable and in flux begins to slowly coalesce and become solid again. I think Magellan's advanced primitar suit has been able to protect him from some of that instability and that is why he is one of the first things we are seeing now in Gaeta, now that it has begun to reappear. The Lindens had to wear special primitar suits when they first punched through into what is now the DaBoom region (the first region that was gridded in this world). http://secondlife.wikia.com/wiki/Primitar I think we are seeing what can happen with our very own eyes in a similar situation. p.s. The hairs on the back of my neck just stood up! I wonder what we will see when the rest of Gaeta realigns. |
Desmond Shang
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04-19-2008 13:58
The passage of time might be kinda in flux too... what I'd call the "Narnia Effect" in popular literature.
I think all of us have noticed the 'accelerated time' of gridspace - where things that happened a mere season ago seem like ... ancient history! This man has clearly been exposed to raw void and lagometric readings of trans-geometric origin. Likely with a heavy dose of imaginary number radiation and the combined effects of exposure to asymptotic infinities. Beware! There's a reason he's in that suit. One wrong step and you might find yourself lagged into the next century, or possibly back in 2003, or find your avatar exploring the floor of a server colocation facility in Dallas. In which case, be on the alert for high-field power conduits... and cats. _____________________
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HeadBurro Antfarm
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Precautions...
04-19-2008 14:44
Any advice on just what precautions we need to take? I mean we've all just been wandering about willy-nilly - what if a bit of wreckage manages to stabilise and reappear just where out head is?
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04-19-2008 15:20
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Osprey Therian
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04-19-2008 15:43
My money is on this as more likely. This sort of thing has happened in Kahruvel before, especially after Kyyp Fredrickson's experiments with the metal pillar replicas. http://web.mac.com/salazarjack/iWeb/Site/Blog/A0B7EA79-C663-474C-B214-AFB44D52E69E.html The area has always been more unstable since then and the small tower ruins that kami Kim discovered on her property long ago have vanished and reappeared a few times on thier own. Sometimes the stone in the tower will go phantom and then become solid again. It reminds me of my mom's story of the Erase. When I was at Magellan's camp site yesterday, I notice that his tent was phantom, at the time I thought it was peculiar and that it didn't seem to offer much protection from the elements. Now I am more of the mind that Ilia is on to something here. When Mari and I were checking out the strange behavior in Bodega a few weeks back we ran into Guy Linden who was able to determine that the Grid square for it had been attempting to run on two different servers and it was flipping back and forth between the two, creating a sort of artificial shifting of dimensions as it were. /327/34/248406/2.html#post1924497/327/34/248406/2.html#post1924497 I think the same thing may be happening at Magellan's camp site. He has been missing for two years and his camp site (what we have seen of it so far) seems to have been there far longer than just the past week or so that we have seen it. That shoreline was empty a week ago. And now, all of a sudden, there is wreckage and a weathered and tattered makeshift tent? I don't buy that. I think that Magellan went into the Void and got stranded and, until the Lindens extended the stabilizing effect of the Grid into that new continental region, his campsite has been in a state of flux. It is now just beginning to align back with our dimension. Getting tuned to the same frequency if you will. Of course I may be wrong. But I just don't think that the Lindens are setting out bits and pieces as "clues" for us. They don't have time for that. So many folks are having troubles with the Grid I think it's almost all the Lindens can do to keep the visible world stable enough to continue to make it habitable. No, I think what we are seeing is the effect produced when the Grid gets extended into an area that has previously been part of the Void, outside of the Grid's protective field. Matter that was previously unstable and in flux begins to slowly coalesce and become solid again. I think Magellan's advanced primitar suit has been able to protect him from some of that instability and that is why he is one of the first things we are seeing now in Gaeta, now that it has begun to reappear. The Lindens had to wear special primitar suits when they first punched through into what is now the DaBoom region (the first region that was gridded in this world). http://secondlife.wikia.com/wiki/Primitar I think we are seeing what can happen with our very own eyes in a similar situation. p.s. The hairs on the back of my neck just stood up! I wonder what we will see when the rest of Gaeta realigns. I agree with you. I've experienced ample demonstrations of the kind of patchy instability you refer to, and it's very much like a thinning of the veil occurs. Things that are gone still show up, or things there are invisible. Sometimes unexpected things occur that are unprecedented - like that bizarre plumbing problem that flooded the Brownstone East (when no pipes run in that location in modern times - although they did before the Erase). I am not sure what factors go into the thinning or instability, but I'm sure they are multiple and nothing should be discounted. _____________________
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Ayumi Cassini
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04-19-2008 16:28
I've got an important finding to announce, though it's not any new clue on the search - but it's still helpful, I think. Those of you who met me at Gaeta, know that I made an aparatus setting an alarm when Magellan is online. But there was one thing a bit worrying: the script couldn't retrieve Magellan's name from his key, which meant I wasn't 100% sure if the aparatus would really work (the script had no problems with retrieving other explorers' names from their keys). The matter became even more important, as Salazar decided to place the aparatus at the explorers base.
Just now I was discussing this matter with Willy Baroque and SpykeMcCallister Kayvon, whom I met at the camp site, and Spyke made a good point: maybe we can't retrieve the name, because it is a Linden. So I've put other Lindens' keys into the aparatus - and guess what - the script couldn't retrieve their name. That was a bit worrying, because it could also mean it can't retrieve the online status. We decided to do some more testing. Willy checked the most recent Lindens spotted online through Find-a-Linden HUD. We chose one of them, confirmed through search tab that he's online, and put his key into the aparatus. And... the name couldn't be retrieved, but the online status was properly detected! And that means, the aparatus that will be placed at the explorers base works properly. So when it starts an alarm you can be 100% sure Magellan rezzed in-world! |
Salazar Jack
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04-19-2008 16:35
I've got an important finding to announce, though it's not any new clue on the search - but it's still helpful, I think. Those of you who met me at Gaeta, know that I made an aparatus setting an alarm when Magellan is online. But there was one thing a bit worrying: the script couldn't retrieve Magellan's name from his key, which meant I wasn't 100% sure if the aparatus would really work (the script had no problems with retrieving other explorers' names from their keys). The matter became even more important, as Salazar decided to place the aparatus at the explorers base. Just now I was discussing this matter with Willy Baroque and SpykeMcCallister Kayvon, whom I met at the camp site, and Spyke made a good point: maybe we can't retrieve the name, because it is a Linden. So I've put other Lindens' keys into the aparatus - and guess what - the script couldn't retrieve their name. That was a bit worrying, because it could also mean it can't retrieve the online status. We decided to do some more testing. Willy checked the most recent Lindens spotted online through Find-a-Linden HUD. We chose one of them, confirmed through search tab that he's online, and put his key into the aparatus. And... the name couldn't be retrieved, but the online status was properly detected! And that means, the aparatus that will be placed at the explorers base works properly. So when it starts an alarm you can be 100% Magellan rezzed in-world! Very interesting, Ayumi. Very interesting, indeed. I suppose if Grandma Thetan figured out a way to jam presence information with the gini device that it is no small feat for the Lindens to jam our own equipment. But sounds like you have managed to detect their presence with your apparatus, in spite of their attempts to prevent it. Excellent work. I will go set up it up right now at the Explorers' Base in Bodega. Thank you again! Salazar |
Salazar Jack
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04-19-2008 21:11
Also seeing another of the mysterious green dots in the area, where someone should be but isn't; I flew right up to where the person should be, but saw nothing. My av radar was giving me odd readings like '@40M 07-02' but no name. Normally it should say 'so-and-so@40M 07-02', which would indicate name, distance from me, and rez date. In this case, I was getting the distance and rez date (Feb. 07) but no name. According to Ayumi, sounds like you were detecting a Linden presence. No name (being blocked), just their presence/location info. |
Argos Hawks
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04-19-2008 21:37
Looking at the rough map from Magellans blog... ![]() ...and comparing it with images from the satalite mapping system (slurl), it seems like the lowest X on the map is ANWR and the one above it is the crash site of the Malamute. http://slurl.com/secondlife/ANWR//// <- oil rig at ANWR http://slurl.com/secondlife/Columbia//// <- crash site Using those two points as keys, maybe the other X's on the map could be explored for clues? Even though somebody in the crew _must_ have seen the oil rig at ANWR, I don't think it's mentioed in the blog.. Curious. I finally got around to looking for some of the places on that map. The one in the middle looks like it could be http://slurl.com/secondlife/Horisme/77/33/152 which is the end point of a giant wall on Linden land. The wall was created by Xenon Linden. It seems very odd that Xenon could have built both an ancient wall for Magellan to discover and an advacned aircraft like the Malamute. _____________________
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Salazar Jack
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04-19-2008 23:15
I finally got around to looking for some of the places on that map. The one in the middle looks like it could be http://slurl.com/secondlife/Horisme/77/33/152 which is the end point of a giant wall on Linden land. The wall was created by Xenon Linden. It seems very odd that Xenon could have built both an ancient wall for Magellan to discover and an advacned aircraft like the Malamute. This has been puzzling for me as well. But there are some possible explanations for this situation. First, I have found sometimes that when an object that predates the Grid comes in contact with it, the Grid will automatically assign a Creator and Owner tag to it. It will also fill in all the other object information as best it can so that it can deal with it properly. I think the landowner info on a parcel can play a role in how the Grid catalogs object found on it, if they are older than the Grid. The ruins in Kahruvel were affected in this way. When the landing stones in the Rodeo section of the forest were first dug up, they immediately took on my name as Creator and Owner. The same thing happened with the small tower ruins on kami's land. Sometimes, I think, it has more to do with who first touches something... like when Ilianexsi found the large stone head buried beneath urtahra near the aquaduct pillars. That head took on her name as creator and owner. Perhaps the same thing happened with Xenon and the Great Wall? Secondly, the Lindens have been experimenting with time travel. Many of you are probably familiar with a region rollback... going back to a previous version of a region's saved state. Think about it. When a region gets rolled back it goes back in time. And so do you when you enter it. And what about when one visits places like Caledon or New Babbage. Isn't that a bit like going back in time too? Hasn't the Lindens' Grid made that possible as well? And then there's this... Jeff Linden's profile. He's stating quite openly that, "I am an advanced artificial life form designed in the year 2315 by Linden Lab, Megacorp. I enjoy answering questions and helping people, and I've escaped from the future to come here and help you!" It's possible that Xenon Linden has gone, or at some point will go, back into the past and construct the Great Wall that exists today. Clearly Jeff Linden has shown us that the Lindens eventually develop quite sophisticated time travel technology that puts the mundane region rollback to shame. |
Salazar Jack
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04-19-2008 23:37
Any advice on just what precautions we need to take? I mean we've all just been wandering about willy-nilly - what if a bit of wreckage manages to stabilise and reappear just where out head is? Well, I'd say that Osprey's advice to not explore alone is good common sense. And the best place to start. Two heads are better than one, and the more the merrier. One can be chatting on about Linden conspiracy theories and time/space distortions, another examining wreckage and scanning metal fragments for spatial anomalies and a third watching for signs of time dilation and monitoring lag readings on any number of devices. Watching each others' backs and bouncing ideas and solutions off each other – that's how things get done and done right. Maybe it would be a good idea to wear some sort of protective suit? Magellan seems to be keeping his on. I know I would have avoided a lot of heartache if I had worn one when the chemical spill occurred in Miramare four years ago. Marcos has made some protective suits if you're interested. You should talk to him. If things begin to get unstable then turn down your graphics settings. That might help you avoid a nasty situation. Sometimes tuning your preferences to the right settings is all the protection you need. And, if all else fails and you start experiencing extreme destablization, or G'al forbid erasures and afterasures, then port out as soon as you can. Be sure to offer teleports to your crewmates as well. They may need the extra safety boost. |
Argos Hawks
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04-20-2008 00:12
Clearly Jeff Linden has shown us that the Lindens eventually develop quite sophisticated time travel technology that puts the mundane region rollback to shame. Then shouldn't they already know how to fix some of the problems? They should at least be able to use the time machine to avoid releasing terribly worded blog announcements. _____________________
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Desmond Shang
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04-20-2008 01:40
I'm still just thrilled there have been Magellan sightings!
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SpykeMcCallister Kayvon
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04-20-2008 07:44
Then shouldn't they already know how to fix some of the problems? They should at least be able to use the time machine to avoid releasing terribly worded blog announcements. Time and Space aren't that straightforward, I'm afraid. The very existence of time travel in the world causes changes in the steady flow of chronitons, thus creating some of the very anomalies we have been experiencing. I find it a wonder that the Lindens can get any of it to stay stable at all, what with alternative variants slipping in now and then. I am quite certain that many of their missives written with startling clarity, when subjected to the distortions of time and space outside of the safety of Linden Labs, become hopelessly muddled or lost entirely. For myself, I will grant all due credit to the Lindens for maintaining the grid as well as they do and making a horrifically difficult job look so easy that we complain that they have not done better. |
Dnate Mars
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04-20-2008 09:17
Exactly. It is a wonder they can get the grid stable at all. You have people like Phoenix Linden being born on 1/6/1412, people from the future, and all points between. All these tears in the time-space continuum must make the grid very unstable.
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Ilianexsi Sojourner
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04-20-2008 09:30
According to Ayumi, sounds like you were detecting a Linden presence. No name (being blocked), just their presence/location info. That does sound likely... odd that I couldn't see anyone, though. According to the symbols on the minimap, I should have been right beside whoever it was. Of course, they do seem to be able to hide their presence, so maybe it isn't too surprising after all. Maybe it would be a good idea to wear some sort of protective suit? Magellan seems to be keeping his on. I know I would have avoided a lot of heartache if I had worn one when the chemical spill occurred in Miramare four years ago. No doubt-- that did sound like a terrible accident. If it's any consolation, the blue color looks quite good on you. ![]() _____________________
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SpykeMcCallister Kayvon
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04-20-2008 10:58
Exactly. It is a wonder they can get the grid stable at all. You have people like Phoenix Linden being born on 1/6/1412, people from the future, and all points between. All these tears in the time-space continuum must make the grid very unstable. And sadly, if it were not for the breaks in the continuum caused by such anachronistic persons, then travel to this place would not be possible at all. It is indeed a very delicate balancing act, keeping the gateways open. I also advise strongly against going it alone. Unless, that is, you have an inordinate fondness for the color blue and are not to terribly attached to the shape you live in. |
Solomon Devoix
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04-20-2008 13:14
That does sound likely... odd that I couldn't see anyone, though. According to the symbols on the minimap, I should have been right beside whoever it was. Of course, they do seem to be able to hide their presence, so maybe it isn't too surprising after all. It seems that with a new region being anchored to the grid there's more of that "invisible instability" around. The other night, I was standing next to someone, talking to them... they were active and replying... yet though other people in the area were showing up on my scanner, they were not! _____________________
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04-20-2008 14:46
I'm still just thrilled there have been Magellan sightings! Good show! As am I, Mr. Shang. As am I. It is too easy to be come jaded. This is a wonderful development, a very wonderful development indeed! |