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camping, pathetic or productive?

XPlorR Moore
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07-31-2007 19:26
From: Kitty Barnett
It only occasionally comes up on the forums (only a handful of unverifieds have access to the forums), although you can see a hint of entitlement with the opinion campers here have towards campbots. I really can't see the difference between a AFK-campers and a campbot; the AFK-camper needs to manually sit down where the bot is automated, but once they're sitting they're both the exact same thing.

The overwhelming part of came from it in-world with random encounters with campers. With LH there would frequently be a camper upset that he/she didn't get paid and ask (or demand) what was going to be done about it. The only possible response to that is to simply try to explain that nothing can be done about resident-to-resident transactions, at which point it would usually rapidly deteriorate into arguing or verbal abuse or they'd leave the session with a snide remark.

You'd get some of the same emotion with people who just bought something that wasn't delivered and their attempts to contact the seller were met with silence or disinterest, but it was never so prevalent or as bad as with the people who camped.

Then there are the cases of stores/places who use some form of camping, with people loitering about waiting for one of the spots to become available, and meanwhile trying to haggle and beg for money, which usually ends with continued harassing after the first "no" or verbal abuse.

Afford isn't really the proper term in this case. Campers aren't poor (in the "I can't afford food or a home" sense) in RL, they can buy things just fine, they just don't want to.
I don't know exactly how campbots work but I assume the only real difference is that an AFK camper actually has to check up on his avatar every so often because of the idle timer on the camp spot. (_usually_ there is a set amount of time the spot will let you camp before the spot itself will unseat you.) The bot camper can pick a spot and not have to check the avatar at all.

Sorry about not knowing about the tantrums in-world. Never experienced it myself. Those campers need to be appreciative that there is even still camping. Making a scene isn't going to get you paid, you make others around you hate you, you'll make people hate all campers, and this kind of thing is why they will eventually get rid of camping. You are not doing anyone at all any favors by throwing a fit. Those that "subsist" only on camping need to realize they are the lowest rung on the SL totem poll, act like it and be humble and appreciative that you don't have to whip out your wallet every time you want something in SL. If there weren't as many fools maybe we would still be able to have camping, instead of camping being on the chopping block. Please know, that at least one camper knows his place.

As for the loiterers and beggars, while I haven't seen the virtual pan handling myself, I have seen people loitering around waiting for someone to pop off their camping spot. I never understood why some hang around waiting for a spot. They are just wasting time, time they could be using to camp somewhere else. There are probably over 1000 locations across the grid that offer camping, stop wasting time waiting for a spot and go look for another somewhere else. (Who knows you might even find a better spot in your travels.) And begging other users for L$ is just a waste of time too. You don't need to beg others for money if you would get off you ass and just look for camping somewhere else, all camping hasn't been closed down yet. There is just no excuse for begging. If a skill-less, anti-social loser like me can find some camping and get "free" L$, then the beggars have no excuse.

With idiots and beggars among the campers I can see why so many hate campers. I wish I could apologize for their behavior, not that that means much. Campers, be appreciative that you are still allowed to participate in much of SL for "free".
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Monalisa Robbiani
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07-31-2007 21:34
From: Kitty Barnett
I really can't see the difference between a AFK-campers and a campbot; the AFK-camper needs to manually sit down where the bot is automated, but once they're sitting they're both the exact same thing.


Camp bots collect other peoples' money to be CASHED OUT while campers make some pocket money to buy something for themselves. Campers redistribute money. They're not greedy people. They just don't want to pay money for an online service they only use for recreational purposes.

BTW: The option to *cash out* creates the biggest issues. If you couldn't take out money you made in-world gambling would be still legal!
Ayalara Merlin
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Join date: 31 May 2007
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07-31-2007 21:43
For me as newbie...still a baby in SL, camping was a little help to make my avatar more attractive. If you are a newbie and you want a job it's most that you must have another skin than the newbie skin and maybe more than one trousers and top and hair, that doesn't smell after newbie. Beside this I'm a freebie hunter and while I was looking for freebies I explored SL. I met a lot of very nice people, and this one point I love of being in SL: the people from all over the world:) .

My camping experience isn't that much, but I have to say, that camping is one of the most boring considered work here in SL, the most people aren't on the keyboard...and I must say, that I already paid some money in: my thought on this was: SL gave me something, so I give something back. This month I'm able to spend some money again and you'll never guess it: after being back-stabbed from so called friends (they offered me a job as club manager) I found a wonderful job as sale associate in one of my favourite boutiques in SL (thanks Arikinui Adria for giving me this chance:) ). This day was one of my happiest in SL .

I wish, that more shops would offer such jobs, it's a nice job with a decent payment everyday you work. The most jobs for newbie aren't really a bomb...I don't want to work as a dancer or as an escort...

Camping is not the best job here, but some people I know, started this way to gain some money for open a small business. So it can be a chance to start here something;).
Sometimes I even see shopowners on dancing pads, once I saw a Sim-Owner, too.

And somehow I don't see the relation between camping and laggy sims...I just noticed, that laggy places are mostly clubs or discos and there are no camping pads nearby...

But I see the relation between campers and traffic...the evening after work I hopped around in SL as usually and visited some of my favourite places...
One place has six camping pads and I wondered why all the "persons", they were three or four month old newbies with the typical beginner outfit. I checked their profile and found out, that they were created on nearly the same day...after this I IM'ed the owner and I was shocked...he was happy, that his dancing pads were used by so called camp zombies: "this brings me traffic"...and I asked him, if he created them...that he didn't replied to my answer was somehow clear...anyway I consider this as cheating...this is not a way to make a place popular...it just pretends, that there is traffic:( and it was pretty scary to watch that zombie cabinet. I just hope, that LL change this system, the traffic system sucks somehow...then some Sim owner have to be creative and have to think about how to attract people..wow...I written a lot...now I'm popping out here...have to create some gifts for friends:)...
Jannae Karas
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07-31-2007 21:43
From: Monalisa Robbiani
BTW: The option to *cash out* creates the biggest issues. If you couldn't take out money you made in-world gambling would be still legal!


I brought this up a while back and was rebuked, but I don't remember the expalnation. It's not that important to my SLstyle, so I didn't pay much attention. I am always curious about why things work the way they do, however.

I would suspect that one big reason to convert L$ to US$ would be that LL doesn't accept their own currency for tier, and that is a big deal for those that rent land or or run businesses.
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XPlorR Moore
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07-31-2007 22:38
From: Monalisa Robbiani
BTW: The option to *cash out* creates the biggest issues. If you couldn't take out money you made in-world gambling would be still legal!
Your absolutely right! If there wasn't a way to cash back out, SL residents would be able to have a lot more freedom. As it is, the ability to cash back out gives L$ real world value. And since L$ have real world value they come under real world financial laws.
From: Jannae Karas
I brought this up a while back and was rebuked, but I don't remember the expalnation. It's not that important to my SLstyle, so I didn't pay much attention. I am always curious about why things work the way they do, however.

I would suspect that one big reason to convert L$ to US$ would be that LL doesn't accept their own currency for tier, and that is a big deal for those that rent land or or run businesses.
If they do disable the cashing out of L$ they should allow you to pay your service fees through your L$ balance. After all L$ are almost all originated from buying L$ with real money. So I think LL would be making the same amount of money either way. It would just give residents one less thing they would have to do in order to pay their fees.
From: Ayalara Merlin
But I see the relation between campers and traffic...the evening after work I hopped around in SL as usually and visited some of my favourite places...
One place has six camping pads and I wondered why all the "persons", they were three or four month old newbies with the typical beginner outfit. I checked their profile and found out, that they were created on nearly the same day...after this I IM'ed the owner and I was shocked...he was happy, that his dancing pads were used by so called camp zombies: "this brings me traffic"...and I asked him, if he created them...that he didn't replied to my answer was somehow clear...anyway I consider this as cheating...this is not a way to make a place popular...it just pretends, that there is traffic and it was pretty scary to watch that zombie cabinet. I just hope, that LL change this system, the traffic system sucks somehow...then some Sim owner have to be creative and have to think about how to attract people..wow...I written a lot...now I'm popping out here...have to create some gifts for friends...
It's kind of low to populate all of your own camping spots with your own alts. At least if others are camping at a location that distributes a little money around the grid. This is a way to get the benefits of campers on your property without actually having to pay anyone else. Although why even bother with the camping spots, just create a bunch of alts and plant them on your property. -_-
From: Ayalara Merlin
Sometimes I even see shopowners on dancing pads, once I saw a Sim-Owner, too.
I was surprised to see shop owners camping too. I guess everyone sometimes needs a _relatively_ quick buck. ;)
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