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When are YOU going to stop complaining?

Morwen Bunin
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05-06-2007 08:25
From: Jig Chippewa
And ... no, Morwen I am NOT following you around - lol!!


Ahhh... now I am dissapointed.... *pokes and laughs*

Morwen.
Colette Meiji
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05-06-2007 10:28
Not everyone complains inconsistantly.

In fact most posters here are cosnsistant in their veiws.

Its a mistake to see complaining and assume people complain just to complain. While there are a coupel of posters who do thise (basically Trolls) most posters have their opinions about things and they seem fairly constant.

Some posters are constant enough you can predict what sid eof an issue they will choose

For example a thread about unregulated Bots - people know im going to be against. Some topics i might be on the fence - like age verification, I see possitve and negative aspects of it.

Whats more interesting to me - is what is the source of the "I wish people would shut up" sentiment. Why are people against discussing issues?

Many will point out that the forum isnt for discussions - which is really kind of funny becuase thats all Forums are for.
Wilhelm Neumann
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05-06-2007 11:17
hehe anti whine threads dont help either. what happens though when we get a bizzillion threads on a discusion and "panic" over what might or might not happen when 2 or 3 will do quite nicely is that the actual "resident questions" are getting lost and they go unanswered for hours and some are not being answered. All these threads being started which I think most people have to admit to themselves aren't needed the "debate" over it can be done properly in a couple of threads are kinda well it looks like someone barfed on the forum.

I guess I dont get it why does everyone have to start a thread on an identical issue what's wrong with the ones that are still open?

so many threads are being started that new players who are asking questions their questinons are being scrolled off the first page of the forum before someone sees them. I Picked up two last night that had dropped to page 2 in a matter of an hour or two when normaly they would have remained on the first page till someone saw it and answered it.

debate is fine hysteria isn't. I dont consider this debate I consider this hysteria at this point because of the sheer volume of threads out there on the same issue. I just hope a resmod shows up and gets rid of some of them soon because it kinda is outa hand.

Of course adding a thread whining about people to stop whinning never helps either and it always gives me a chuckle
Coyote Momiji
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05-06-2007 11:31
From: Ishtara Rothschild
You're right. A credit card is also enough proof for the whole internet porn industry. Things were already legally fine before LL became greedy and wanted insane user numbers that the grid couldn't take. Now it's up to them to get the kids off the grid again, instead of telling adults to protect them by restricting access to their land.

And before anyone makes the argument that kids can easily get credit cards: none of my business. I only care about the legal side. A kid with a credit card can sign up for every porn website, and it's no one's fault but their parents.


Any child who uses a credit card fraudulently is committing a crime. I am not responsible for the actions of a criminal, nor for the actions of another parent's child.

The claim that I am responsible for someone's fraudulent access to CLEARLY MARKED adult material is /insane/.
Morwen Bunin
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05-06-2007 11:40
From: Coyote Momiji
Any child who uses a credit card fraudulently is committing a crime. I am not responsible for the actions of a criminal, nor for the actions of another parent's child.

The claim that I am responsible for someone's fraudulent access to CLEARLY MARKED adult material is /insane/.


I have to agree here. It is more a matter of the parents then of SL. SL sets the rules and if they find out someone breaks those rules, they should act (ban or whatever). But that a child is using the credit card of its parents without content, is pure a matter of the parents. Same can be said about the fact that child succeed in gaining access to the main grid without the parents noticing it (but we had that discusion already).

Morwen.
Sunspot Pixie
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05-06-2007 11:41
From: Wilhelm Neumann
Of course adding a thread whining about people to stop whinning never helps either and it always gives me a chuckle

As opposed to 100s of posts whining about people whining?

I fail to see the difference, and in fact, supporting threads that you supposedly detest by participating in them, bumping them nonstop, from beginning to end, is a form of hypocrisy...

Contact LL about becoming a resmod, AR the threads (that you supposedly don't like, yet I suspect that you do actually like them, because of your avid participation in them), but you don't get to tell people to stop what they're doing. Sorry, not until your last name is Linden or until we see your name in the resmod list.
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Coyote Momiji
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05-06-2007 11:51
And even then, they'll head to a third-party site to snort derisively about the strutting bully.

Shine on, Wilhelm, you crazy diamond.
Wilhelm Neumann
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05-06-2007 11:53
From: Sunspot Pixie
As opposed to 100s of posts whining about people whining?

I fail to see the difference, and in fact, supporting threads that you supposedly detest by participating in them, bumping them nonstop, from beginning to end, is a form of hypocrisy...

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err i just said that lol your agreeing with me and arguing you make no sense...
Sunspot Pixie
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05-06-2007 12:00
From: Wilhelm Neumann
err i just said that lol your agreeing with me and arguing you make no sense...

I REALLY laughed out loud.

Thanks for that Wilhelm. :)
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Wilhelm Neumann
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05-06-2007 12:00
From: Coyote Momiji
And even then, they'll head to a third-party site to snort derisively about the strutting bully.

Shine on, Wilhelm, you crazy diamond.



okay now your just flaming to flame your agreeing with me but your want to shout it at people?

you see i said to someone a couple months ago when the forums got shut down which upset me actually and I didn't understand why, but then I go to some of those third party forums and see how they talk

pretty much like your doing right now even though you agree with what i just said you argue

so yeah i think i see now why so many of the forums got shut down. If you want this one to be shut down as well you can continue on your path. I myself would like to see it stay open but that's just me

if we make so much work for the mods on this forum we're gonna loose it again is there some reason you can't have 2 or 3 threads on the forum and be happy with it? i'm asking because i truly want to know why are things getting burried because last night the entire first page of this forum was covered in thread on one topic and the poor schmo's that actually thought it was about resident answers were getting lost in the shuffle

I dont actualy care about the debate one way or another I care about keeping this forum and in light of what is going on its possible over time that we can loose it if residents care so little as to abuse it. We are being given some leway to post off topic stuff which I Like I would hope that people see that this is occuring that we are being allowed to do this and not abuse the courtesy (not right) being extended to us. If you want to abuse it fine however again the question remains is there some reason why we needed to cover the entire first page in threads on an identical topic so that actual resident questions were being lost in the shuffle

truly I would like to know why people have to behave this way ?

is there some kind of honour or gold star that one gets as a result of starting a thread? because in my entire 1 year of being on this forum i have started a grand total of 3 threads and found the ones open on the topics perfectly adequate to respond to

so prey tell what is this urge to barf all over a forum and abuse a courtesy being extended to us because what is gonna happen if we loose that courtesy what are you gonna do then?
Coyote Momiji
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05-06-2007 12:08
If I recall correctly, you left SC because you flat-out accused a long-time resident of stealing your designs, never mind that they looked nothing alike, and had a hissy fit when people said "uh, no."

By the by - I didn't say you were a strutting bully, but that you can't win even if you join as a resmod.
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05-06-2007 12:16
When are YOU going to stop complaining?


Never.
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Wilhelm Neumann
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05-06-2007 12:16
From: Coyote Momiji
If I recall correctly, you left SC because you flat-out accused a long-time resident of stealing your designs, never mind that they looked nothing alike, and had a hissy fit when people said "uh, no."

By the by - I didn't say you were a strutting bully, but that you can't win even if you join as a resmod.


i left sc because of the continouse flaming and crap that was going on you see i wentto the content vigilante guild over a possible theft of an item. the directions at the time were clear to follow their url and to post a certain type of information which i did to the letter as requested. I didn't even look at the fact that it was a subforum of a flamefest forum. I posted the info requested by joshua all of it in a subforum i was directed to via the link in the content vigilante guilds group information. I read the instructions on the top of the forum and did what it said. the result was an agry mob of incredibly rude people who flamed me for two days after I got the answer I was looking for so i requested to be removed because I didn't see the use in belonging to a forum full of insane people who pounced on a guy who was basically there following instructions. After that incident however joshua had to change his instructions and the url to that site no longer points there as a result of that incident. You guys should be proud of your actions I went looking for advice which i never really got because of the 30 pages of flames and crap that went on.

that is why i post here because people basically are sane or try to be and behave themselves, but i see these old habits appearing here and I know from what i saw on that forum the reason now why Linden labs shut these ones down and I would like to avoid that if possible

anyhow at this point since this has no business being on this forum i'm reporting it because now you want to do exactly what you want to do on those forums which i purposely DONT belong to because of the nature of what goes on

I dont want to be a resmod it would give me ulcers thanks but no thanks

now why are we busy bringing up issues that dont belong here AT ALL i thnky our borred so i'm going back to my hard work not that i have stopped sweating and had my coke. I guess there simply is not enough going on now that you have to start this BS.

Anyhow go back to SC where you can say whatever you want and barf all over the forums I stay here where people at least attempt to behave like adults of normal intelligence
Coyote Momiji
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05-06-2007 12:26
Here was the advice you got:

"They look nothing alike. You can't lay claim to "leather jackets" in SL."
Coyote Momiji
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05-06-2007 12:28
From: Wilhelm Neumann
Anyhow go back to SC where you can say whatever you want and barf all over the forums I stay here where people at least attempt to behave like adults of normal intelligence


Thank you for the courtesy, by the way. :rolleyes:
Wilhelm Neumann
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05-06-2007 12:30
From: Coyote Momiji
Here was the advice you got:

"They look nothing alike. You can't lay claim to "leather jackets" in SL."


yes and i said thanks

but wait you guys spent two days making fun of the thread which was pretty ridiculous i left and came back 48 hours later at one point and the thread was massive. people were calling me names and making fun of me and being generally idiots about the entire thing

I didn't go there for that I went for information on two very similar looking items and on the current copybot situation which was answered in the first 10 posts. After that is was nothing but wall to wall flames and crap its was ridiculous and insane and made no sense

I dont belong to groups like that for a reason they are totaly disfuctional serve no purpose and people thrive on teenage mob tactics of making fun of people that they should have grown out of.

I concluded after returning the next day to read the mess that thread had turned into that everyone was either nuts or on drugs or had A.D.D. or something and wanted nothing to do with that kind of stuff so i asked to be removed
Wilhelm Neumann
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05-06-2007 12:32
From: Coyote Momiji
Thank you for the courtesy, by the way. :rolleyes:


your not paying me much your trying to bring up crap that doens't even belong here and flaming me you want me to treat you better ? try treating me better

people only see the other persons behaviour not their own show me some courtesy and you might be surprised and get some back

you enter this thread call me a bully and tell me i'm crazy how would you like me to respond how about "oh thanks for the insults"? is that better

look at yourself before you start pointing at other people

From: Coyote Momiji
And even then, they'll head to a third-party site to snort derisively about the strutting bully.

Shine on, Wilhelm, you crazy diamond.



how about apologizing for your unwarranted name calling that would be a start ..
Coyote Momiji
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05-06-2007 12:36
From: Wilhelm Neumann
how about apologizing for your unwarranted name calling that would be a start ..


I apologise that reading comprehension is not your forte.
Wilhelm Neumann
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05-06-2007 12:46
and you want respect and courtesy for that remark?

come now be honest have you done or said anything on this board to me in this thread that can be defined as "respectful"

written words are interesting they are subject to language guidelines of each seperate country among other things they also get intrerpreted due to cultural differences and language barrier and what seems fine to one group is aweful to another. I find you rude and you find me rude so lets agree that we are both rude to each other lol because that is about where it lies.

anyhow you can move on to your next target now I agree that i am rude to you and I also agree that you are rude to me so now that that is all cleard up we can move on now perhaps?
Sunspot Pixie
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05-06-2007 12:46
From: Wilhelm Neumann
how about apologizing for your unwarranted name calling that would be a start ..


And... from a few pages back...

From: Wilhelm Neumann
bunch of fruitcakes!


You're doing yourself no favours.
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Wilhelm Neumann
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05-06-2007 12:57
From: Sunspot Pixie
And... from a few pages back...



You're doing yourself no favours.



okay then lets all agree i'm "rude" however your rude as well so we are all rude and yes I still thinky ou are a bunch of fruitcakes this dates back to previous encounters.

I see no evidance to the contrary to change my opinions even though i have signed and supported the open letter and such which was sanely written im beginning to this i should take it back based on the 7575757598 age verification threads that appear to be being started by the same community of people although I could be wrong on that I'm just looking at the sign up dates

I'm not sure why i am busy justifying myself to a group that is basically making hysterical and paranoid posts which pretty much amounts to spam at this moment because of the sheer volume. It looks to me like you guys are trying to cause some kind of reaction but i dont think its working so well beacuse most of the newer players seem to be on the fence or want the age verification so unlike the open letter your not getting the support you got with it but also i think its the approach being taken

I tend to take all these OMG live in fear posts and threat posts and threads with a grain of salt and should anyone. so yes at present I think your acting like a bunch of fruitcakes lol

you took that out of context which is of course one of those trademarks you have the comment was fine where it was along with the words hysteria and paranoid because that is what this look like

either your trying to stir something up or you truly think like that. IN any event I'm hoping your done barfing on the forums because last night it was very hard to see much in this forum except thread with the word age verification in them


So can the new residents and those looking for information have their forum back now are we done?

lets agree that i'm an idiot and a retard and a moron and a prick and crazy and a fruitcake and evil and can't read or write we can get that all over with right here right now

so i will agree with you on that on one condition you let it rest and move on
that would be great thanks
Sunspot Pixie
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05-06-2007 13:03
From: Wilhelm Neumann
okay then lets all agree i'm "rude" however your rude as well so we are all rude and yes I still thinky ou are a bunch of fruitcakes this dates back to previous encounters.

I see no evidance to the contrary to change my opinions even though i have signed and supported the open letter and such which was sanely written im beginning to this i should take it back based on the 7575757598 age verification threads that appear to be being started by the same community of people although I could be wrong on that I'm just looking at the sign up dates

I'm not sure why i am busy justifying myself to a group that is basically making hysterical and paranoid posts which pretty much amounts to spam at this moment because of the sheer volume. It looks to me like you guys are trying to cause some kind of reaction but i dont think its working so well beacuse most of the newer players seem to be on the fence or want the age verification so unlike the open letter your not getting the support you got with it but also i think its the approach being taken

I tend to take all these OMG live in fear posts and threat posts and threads with a grain of salt and should anyone. so yes at present I think your acting like a bunch of fruitcakes lol

you took that out of context which is of course one of those trademarks you have the comment was fine where it was along with the words hysteria and paranoid because that is what this look like

either your trying to stir something up or you truly think like that. IN any event I'm hoping your done barfing on the forums because last night it was very hard to see much in this forum except thread with the word age verification in them


So can the new residents and those looking for information have their forum back now are we done?

lets agree that i'm an idiot and a retard and a moron and a prick and crazy and a fruitcake and evil and can't read or write we can get that all over with right here right now

so i will agree with you on that on one condition you let it rest and move on
that would be great thanks
You control Wilhelm, and I'll control me. Ok?

That's about all you'll get me to "agree" to.
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Rusty Satyr
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05-06-2007 13:29
From: Crystal Jimenez
When are YOU going to stop complaining?


I'm really pissed off that the people complaining about the people complaining aren't complaining about the complaining that they're complaining about, but only about the complaining that the complainers are complaining of, don't they realize that complaining about complaining only leads to complaining about complaining about complaining?

DILLIGAF.
Colette Meiji
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05-06-2007 13:33
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
When are YOU going to stop complaining?


Never.


:eek:

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Wilhelm Neumann
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05-06-2007 13:35
From: Sunspot Pixie
You control Wilhelm, and I'll control me. Ok?

That's about all you'll get me to "agree" to.


okay i'll remember that and take note that being reasonable and posting where guidelines and tos ask you to post is not a part of what you like to do which is basically follow rules set out and TOS according to linden labs

i see a lot of unreasonable people here and you wonder why there are huge community splits and the community can do nothing together?

until this I'm in control attitude and garbage stops then nothing will change. Meanwhile I'm not willing to support anything you guys say because its clear that you only have one person in mind when you do these selfish acts of "i will do what i want"


you and yourself only your worried about your personal whatever and can't be bothered to listen to logic when someone says hey guys dont you think that your posting to many threads heck this forum isn't even meant for that


so stay in your little bubble world that revolves around you only and lets ignore all the new players and the purpose of this forum and trash it just so we can have our fun who cares about those other guys


so i will say it bluntly

selfish people are just that selfish people I just hope the forums dont get closed down because of your selfish acts because a whole lot of people will suffer because of the selfish acts of a handful of players who just want to do what they want to do regardless of what the rules say

no wonder you dont want age verification that's to much "control" for you that's all i see when i read comments like this.
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