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When are YOU going to stop complaining?

Crystal Jimenez
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Join date: 9 Dec 2005
Posts: 124
05-05-2007 23:53
You complained about Porn in SL.
You complained about age play.
LL took steps to reduce the visibility and probability that age play will occur.
You complained about THAT.

You all complained about kids on the grid.
Now you complain when they are trying to do something about it.

When will you stop complaining?
Many of you are making a good penny in SL and do nothing but complain in public on these forums (and probably others too)

Why are you constantly biting the hand that feeds you?
What would you do if LL just shut everything down for a week and you didn't get that fat PayPal cashout that you are so used to getting that pays your bills or makes your life easier in some way??? THEN you'd have something to complain about.


If SL is not working for you, go find another game/platform to use...and if you are making money from SL and you feel it is neccessary to post every 10 minutes about the same damn thing, go get a real job and stop yelling at LL!

I think that those who are starting these threads have a lot of nerve. It's like going into Mc Donald's and yelling at every customer who walks through the door, telling them how fattening the food is there and they need to make the food healthier.

Sorry, but the manager would have kicked you out after the first time.
Please people! Find something to be thankful and happy about here! If I was LL and I saw all the crap you were filling MY forums with, I'd ignore the hell out of you too.

No one has any RIGHTS here. They can close youe account for NO reason. COME ON! Get a clue and stop complaining!

~Crystal
Feline Falta
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Join date: 26 Mar 2007
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05-06-2007 00:22
Good point Crystal. What strikes me most, is that all the whiners all of a sudden don't know what to say.
Dnate Mars
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05-06-2007 00:38
I just wish that instead of all the "this idea sux!" posts, people would post what they think the right way to do things is. Just saying that you don't like the idea that LL has put out doesn't really help anyone. It is easy to not like an idea, and I am glad people speak up. But if you don't like the current idea, try coming up with one to replace it. Who knows, maybe someone will come up with a better idea that will be used.
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Amara LeShelle
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05-06-2007 00:43
I'm not comfortable giving out more information then I already have to play a Video Game.

SOE Doesn't ask me for my SS# so why the hell should Linden Labs~

Here's a question for you Crystal.

When are you going to stop complaining about us complaining? Does you complaining about us on the LL forums not als constitute the complaining you are protesting against.

Mrrr, this entire thing is going over board but I can accept it IF I do not have to give out my SS#, I could care less about Providing my name has it appears on my drivers license, my address, and my zip. That's fine by me.

SS#? No

Passport? F*** you LL, F*** you~
Raymond Figtree
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Join date: 17 May 2006
Posts: 6,256
05-06-2007 01:01
One thing's for sure: One-way blogs are a terrible way to make announcements. They keep dropping hand grenades and running for the hills. What say you about this, Heretic or Robin?
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Sunspot Pixie
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Join date: 15 Jun 2006
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05-06-2007 01:03
Ahh the rich, moist, delicious irony of complaining about complaining.

Don't like complaints? Who exactly is holding a gun to your head and making you read them?
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Ike Fairweather
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05-06-2007 01:08
fat paypal cash out??? I think I may need to get a lawyer because Paypal is holding out on me or something :)
Matthew Dowd
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When I will stop complaining
05-06-2007 01:30
I'll stop complaining when:

a) inventory loss is either mitigated against in the system (by using transaction management, by having a tool to find orphaned objects owned by you, or by having a backup system) and/or properly compensated for
b) teleports work
c) the change that prevents resetting scripts in no-mod objects is reversed
d) a seel object to avatar feature is implemented
e) LL actually respond to support e-mails and phonecalls within days tather than years!
f) LL provide a feed back mechanism for new features before dropping them on us - and don't regard a week implemented on the beta grid as suitable notice or testing
Osgeld Barmy
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05-06-2007 01:38
i wish i was complaining about ageplay teen furry porn, then i would feel better

but NOOOO i choose to complain directly to linden labs about a dumb ass texturing bug which has degraded my products, and generally aggervated me

and wow over a freakin year later,.... (drumroll plz) out of the blue...its a little bit better!

now where the hell is my "benny hill" themesong mp3

OH YEA the point i started to post

considering this is like the 5th or 6th thread on "stop whining/complaining ect" in the last 5 days, i feel that this could be a new hotbutton topic for spawning a billion threads

abit ironic ?
Tegg Bode
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05-06-2007 01:41
SS# is bad, because when people on recieving SS are recieving income from SL too they can get away with it, but maybe the government is onto this and has asked LL for SS verification?
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Maggie McArdle
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05-06-2007 01:42
oh gawd!!! not another thread complaining about the threads that are complaining about threads complaining about age verification >_<!!!!!!


but to play devils advocate:

getting ones ss# and address and such is not a true deterrent. all it takes is a resourceful kid and a careless parent.......
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Faybot Foxley
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Join date: 3 Apr 2007
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05-06-2007 01:43
Not everyone complains about every little thing. A lot of people in these forums try to come up with solutions for these issues that bother them while explaining their problems. It is resident answers after all. Things like ageplay, casinos, Gor, furries, guns, etc are some hot topics for people. I'd rather have the complaints out on the table than underhanded discrimination or griefing. We are a community; we are supposed to discuss things that bother us so we can come up with a mutual agreement/compromise using LL as our mediator. There were a few really hot threads going for a while with ageplay, casinos, Gor, voice on the grid, and now age verification. However, the first two pages of resident answers is filled with age verification threads. I would say there are about 20 of these threads going right now; that dwarfs the number of threads for other recent hot topics. I would say it is not just a small group of people whining. It would seem the majority of posters are against the idea of giving their SS number, driver's license number, or passport info to a 3rd party site that is known for selling info to marketers. We need more communication from LL when there are big changes like this implemented. Basically they dropped a bombshell on us, only let 100 people comment on the blog, and left for the weekend. There are quite a few issues that need to be addressed and answered which the blog is very vague about. Better customer service = less complaints. :)
Morwen Bunin
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05-06-2007 03:07
*laughs out loud*

In my opinion the OP is complaining about the complainers.... so she is just the same!!!!

Morwen.
Gillian Vuckovic
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Join date: 4 Mar 2007
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05-06-2007 03:16
From: Crystal Jimenez
You complained about Porn in SL.
You complained about age play.
LL took steps to reduce the visibility and probability that age play will occur.
You complained about THAT.

You all complained about kids on the grid.
Now you complain when they are trying to do something about it.

When will you stop complaining?
Many of you are making a good penny in SL and do nothing but complain in public on these forums (and probably others too)

Why are you constantly biting the hand that feeds you?
What would you do if LL just shut everything down for a week and you didn't get that fat PayPal cashout that you are so used to getting that pays your bills or makes your life easier in some way??? THEN you'd have something to complain about.


If SL is not working for you, go find another game/platform to use...and if you are making money from SL and you feel it is neccessary to post every 10 minutes about the same damn thing, go get a real job and stop yelling at LL!

I think that those who are starting these threads have a lot of nerve. It's like going into Mc Donald's and yelling at every customer who walks through the door, telling them how fattening the food is there and they need to make the food healthier.

Sorry, but the manager would have kicked you out after the first time.
Please people! Find something to be thankful and happy about here! If I was LL and I saw all the crap you were filling MY forums with, I'd ignore the hell out of you too.

No one has any RIGHTS here. They can close youe account for NO reason. COME ON! Get a clue and stop complaining!

~Crystal


I don't complain much at all and have lots of good things to say about SL. Too bad when I do have a gripe so many people seem happy to set their attitude to smug condescension. The complaints aren't the problem its the attitudes so many people feel free to weild in an online forum environment.

Plenty of people complain about things I either haven't experienced or which simply don't concern me. I don't think their complaint to be any less valid because it doesn't bother me. The important thing is it bothers them.

I've said before, I'd rather people complain than just leave SL altogether. By complaining they show there is enough there they like for them to want something they see as wrong fixed to improve their experience. If they all hated SL as much as others would like to beleive, why would they hang around? Surely they would just drop it, is moaning about something you already hate worth the energy? I'd be surprised to find many that thought so.

Everyone complaining and everyone praising are in far more similar camps than either is willing to accept. Both have a genuine interest and like for SL, at the root, both would like it to be a good as it can be, some concentrate on the good side while others seek to improve the bad but neither have given up on SL altogether. Maybe people should pause before labelling someone else an "LL apologist" or telling them that if they "don't like it? leave it". The vey fact any of us is posting on the forum shows we may have a greater level of interest than the majority on the grid, so lets just show a little more respect to one another. :)
Beyond Bobbysocks
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05-06-2007 03:26
@14 ..gets my vote
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05-06-2007 05:22
WE ARE THE WORLD.... WE ARE THE CHILDREN... WE ARE THE ONES WHO MAKE A BRIGHTER DAY SO LETS START GIVEN!!!!!

Ok if that did not work.....

ID LIKE TO BUY THE WORLD A COKE... AND SING IN HARMONY.... ID LIKE TO BUY THE WORLD A COKE AND KEEP YOU COMANY.... EVERYBODY!

I LOVE YOU MAN!!!!

SL rocks! 5 STARS!
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Daisy Rimbaud
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Join date: 12 Oct 2006
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05-06-2007 05:32
From: Crystal Jimenez
You complained about Porn in SL.
You complained about age play.

You all complained about kids on the grid.


No I didn't. Those are trivial matters and I care very little about them.
TC Bing
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Join date: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 50
05-06-2007 06:17
From: Crystal Jimenez

No one has any RIGHTS here. COME ON! Get a clue and stop complaining!
~Crystal



Fortunately everyone does have rights. Although LL has the right to ask us to surrender our SSN and we have the right to wisely not give it to them.
Tyci Kenzo
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Join date: 8 Dec 2005
Posts: 285
05-06-2007 08:01
From: Amara LeShelle
I'm not comfortable giving out more information then I already have to play a Video Game.

SOE Doesn't ask me for my SS# so why the hell should Linden Labs~


SOE also doesnt restrict the game to over 18 only and have the type of content we do so using that as an example is ridiculous
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Ishtara Rothschild
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05-06-2007 08:10
From: Crystal Jimenez
You complained about Porn in SL.
You complained about age play.
LL took steps to reduce the visibility and probability that age play will occur.
You complained about THAT.

You all complained about kids on the grid.
Now you complain when they are trying to do something about it.


First, I would never complain about porn and ageplay in SL on the adult grid. People who take offense can buy their own land and set the rules there according to their preferences. That's what SL is all about: buy land and do there whatever you like, anyone who dislikes it can turn around and leave again.

I did complain about LL willfully letting kids onto the adult grid. I also complain about the new policy, because LL still won't do jack squat to keep the kids off the grid, and even hold the land owners legally responsible for protecting the kids that they let in. Furthermore, I complain that adults who value their privacy will no longer be able to enter my shop and roleplay areas by securely verifying their age using paypal.

Besides, I already practice what LL is planning to introduce, since the registration process was changed by them. I restricted my land to verified account holders, except for a small disclaimer-heavy area. I've learned to accept the status quo and stopped complaining about it; but now LL try to protect their own asses by infringing on our businesses and personal freedoms.

From: Crystal Jimenez
No one has any RIGHTS here. They can close youe account for NO reason. COME ON! Get a clue and stop complaining!


Are you telling me that I don't have the fucking right to get the advertized product (land on a grid completely restricted to adults) when I pay $400 monthly? You're a dream customer.
Morwen Bunin
Everybody needs a hero!
Join date: 8 Dec 2005
Posts: 1,743
05-06-2007 08:13
From: Tyci Kenzo
SOE also doesnt restrict the game to over 18 only and have the type of content we do so using that as an example is ridiculous


You are not completely light.... yes, you can play EQII as minor, but only by full consent of a parent or guardian....

"1. Accounts are available only to adults or, in their discretion, their minor child. If you are a minor, your parent(s) or guardian(s) must complete the registration process, in which case they will take full responsibility for all obligations under this Agreement."

"By clicking the "I Accept" button and providing us with a credit card number, you represent that you are an adult and are either accepting this Agreement on behalf of yourself or your child"


I do wonder how often parents/guardians really did so.

Anyway, this seemed to be enough for EQII(Sony). Why is it not for SL.... with they difference that don't allow minors at all. Things is... for Sony a credit card is enough proof you are an adult (and lets face, Sony with all it Station games is a LOT bigger as LL).

Morwen.
Jig Chippewa
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Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,150
05-06-2007 08:20
We have a right to complain to a company supplying us with a product - or do I need age verification for this?
Then it will be religious/sex/political/sexual preference/Beast preference ....
Giving up personal information is knuckling under to a world gone mad with political and social correctness.
For Goodness sake - we are CARTOONS!!! - it is absurd to ask for age verification for a CARTOON!!
eerrrrr, I am shouting - sorry.
Ishtara Rothschild
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05-06-2007 08:22
From: Morwen Bunin
Anyway, this seemed to be enough for EQII(Sony). Why is it not for SL.... with they difference that don't allow minors at all.


You're right. A credit card is also enough proof for the whole internet porn industry. Things were already legally fine before LL became greedy and wanted insane user numbers that the grid couldn't take. Now it's up to them to get the kids off the grid again, instead of telling adults to protect them by restricting access to their land.

And before anyone makes the argument that kids can easily get credit cards: none of my business. I only care about the legal side. A kid with a credit card can sign up for every porn website, and it's no one's fault but their parents.
Jig Chippewa
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05-06-2007 08:23
And ... no, Morwen I am NOT following you around - lol!!
Morwen Bunin
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05-06-2007 08:24
From: Ishtara Rothschild
A kid with a credit card can sign up for every porn website, and it's no one's fault but their parents.


I fully agree with that.

Morwen.
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