Accused Of Being A Child Avatar

To be honest I don't think they want to define it.

I sometimes walk around as a bowl of petunias.

I made the AV based on the baby AV so that my SL body is wrapped into a ball that fits into the flower base.

I am shure I look like a naked baby sometimes as I rez in a new sim as the plant parts rez last.

When will people stop worring about a few pixels. Let's report everyone in RL that has taken the clothing off of a ken or barby doll just to change there clothes...

my av is 3 1/2 month old

Off-topic I just imagined Johnny Rotten singing the words you typed up there, lol - ever thought about startin a punk band?

But yeah I doub't the AR is gonna do anything. Like somebody said, put it in your Profile (which ya shouldn't even have ta do but life aint perfect...) that your av is over 18.

I got a "kid-sized" av, but he's a midget. The fact that he's usually smokin a cigar, wearin a cowboy hat, and has a moustache probably helps him out, heh

Not a fan of Punk, but I could imagine Frank Zappa enjoying this place if he were still with us.

I have nothing but kid sized av's, the fact that people have started complaining and hurling abuse, just adds to my fun, imagine a six year old cussing you out.

whats worse is these people tend to come to adoption agencies where your guarnteed to find kids.

Usually winds up with me having an hour long timeout, but its worth it to see their reaction

exactly. that represents the most crucial flaw in the "ban smaller avs" argument. you can easily make a six or seven foot tall avatar look like a child .. sexual ageplay will continue provided their adult partners increased their height sliders too.

Ive been accused of my Av having realisitc proportions.

And Im only 5'5"

The height for women in has everything to do with the default avatar. When they made it Tall , 5' 10" I beleive with such short legs by cartoon standards ...

People would lengthen their legs as soon as they first edited their shapes. Since the default avs look so cartoony they assumed cartoon leg proportions.

After a while the default Av with longer legs became the Average female height ..

About 6' 2 - 6' 4 from my experience for people a few weeks old. Taller for people who want to be "Tall"

Since the average woman is the height of a tall man IRL .. of course all the women with realisitc heights look short enough to be children.

That's why the community should demand some checks and balances here since LL insists on being vague about everything. If someone accuses without proof and is proven wrong in their assumptions then they should be punished for harrassment, such as being banned for the length of time it took the accused to get their age and account straightened out with LL.

I am 5'3" real life and in SL. Recently I purchased a prim skirt that I had trouble downsizing to my hips. When I contacted the maker, s/he refused either to help me adjust the skirt or to refund my money, on the grounds that s/he "doesn't make child av clothes...make your av bigger and the skirt will fit fine." As annoyed as I was (annoyed enough to provide all the details of this conversation at SLExchange), I have to say I can thank her for finally providing me motivation to make my OWN skirts, wheee.

Unfortunately, a few days ago I was banned from a PG sim for nudity when I was wearing my new skirt. I'm not sure if it was too short for the PG crowd's sensitive eyes or if the skirt just hadn't rezzed. I guess I'll never know.

SL sure is going to be a welcoming place when this ID thing goes in. Us/Them is bad enough already.....I can't wait for all the bad names I am going to be called because I refuse to conform to an invasive standard.

Err .. are you sure he isn't? .. I think one of the guys who crops up on the website looks suspiciously familiar!

I think a big part of the problem is an Education One - People dont KNOW what 5 foot tall is.

I think what needs to be done is to vastly increase the availbility of height detectors in Second Life.

So people KNOW how tall they are. When they realize they are an insane 7 foot height, they will realize not all shorter avs are children.

Everyone I meet who is tall tells me they didnt mean to be that tall. Most 7 foot women wanted to be 5'10" or 6 feet, "like a model". Most SL average woman want to be "Like 5'6 or 5'8 you know just normal height"

If everyone knows what is a more human height - then the real child avs are obvious (not that theres anything wrong with child avs.)

Linden Labs needs to include a Avatar Ruler in the basic Inventory for all new avatars.

Im going to add a Freebie / free to copy av ruler in my store locations.

If anyone needs one , IM me and Ill send you one.

Ive been in SL, off and on, since 02/04..... My first av, RIP, was 3'10". Presently this av is 4'7".
I would say that I've been approached with other av's wanting to adopt me, I simply laugh it off. As far as someone ever threatening me with a AR If they persist I would AR them for harassment. Use the tools in place when dealing with this situation and dont let it get to you

Excellent idea Colette. Mebbe a future client could have a ruler background in the edit appearance window ... like the police mugshot gallery

It's all relative. When I started my av I sized it in comparison to the other avs I saw around me. So I had the relationship to other avs I have to other people in RL, height-wise. Then I found a height-measuring device. I was/am 6'7"!

Maybe the measuring devices are wrong? ; )

Personally ...

If you LOOK like and adult and act like one .... then you ARE one ...

If you are wearing a teeny dress with curls and are 4 foot tall with a teddy bare ..... then thats a different issue.

Hight isnt or at least shouldnt be age relative...

Mart

What lies at the root of the height "issue" in Second Life is that the world around us is for the most part built for maxed out avatars. Some of the early adopters realized early on that the avatar actually did -not- proportion well at shorter heights.. A couple months ago there was a thread on this subject, and I'm pretty sure it was Chosen Few who explained the intricacies of it in great detail.

The result is, everything is bigger in Second Life - it has sortof a larger than life feel, from buildings, to flowers, to vehicles, whatever. Our avatars simply look too short when we try and achieve realistic dimensions, and it's exaggerated when we put them inside most houses and other builds, because they were scaled for larger avatars (and also scaled upward to accomodate the default camera position)

It's understandable that someone could mistake an "adult" avatar for a "child" avatar.. the shorter ones stand out like a sore thumb. Unfortunate, but that's the way the world evolved.

I'm disappointed that it might need to come to this, but I would recommend some sort of disclaimer in your profile if you think it may be at all questionable. I imagine a profile is one of the first things they will look at when investigating an AR. A clear statement that you are not roleplaying a child will probably afford you the benefit of the doubt.

Height shoudl not be relative - I agree

However I cant be responsible for the ignorance of others.

So we either try to educate the people with their fingers on the AR button whille hoping the Lindens will help education them as well....

Or we all make our avatars 6 feet+ tall


I dont think I should have to do the second.

Oddly enough, there actually is an avatar ruler in your default inventory, or at least there was as of a month or 4 ago. But no one seems to be told its in there, and the default inventory is big enough that a newbie isn't going to go looking through on the off-chance of finding an avatar ruler.

Is there? I've been looking for an item like that (didn't look in my invetory mind you). I'll check later.

Correct me if I'm wrong please .. and I know I'm going slightly off-topic here but it really, really shouldn't come down to this.

I thought we'd discussed at great length elsewhere that roleplaying a child itself is NOT the offending, law-breaking act.

And even a female avi in a red spotted dress, carrying a teddy bear, walking along a nude beach is again, NOT a CS/TOS offence.

Aren't we all getting just a teeny bit paranoid here?

I agree that much of the world is bit oversized.

Most of its oversized for even OVERSIZED avatars.

I disagree about the proportions - In my opinion, this is wrong. A few people out there have agreed with me and my Linden balance thanks them

Most women and quite a few men Shrink as they mature in second life. Their proportions tend to look better, not worse.

Perhaps its the default av, if simply shrunk, without additional adjustments that has poor proportions.

Women would be better off starting with the Ruth Shape than the default Avs anyhow .. in my opinion.


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*laughs* im curious now to see Chosen few in SL and see what his/her Proportions even look like.

I actually find for women - when you are trying to make realistic looking thighs on anyone thats not a waif, shorter is easier.

Spot on. Height alone is completely meaningless. I would consider an avatar a "child" when height, shape, proportion, skin, clothing, hair, accessories, and behavior, taken as a whole, lead me to conclude *beyond reasonable doubt* that the *intent* is to depict a minor/child.

The preceding post regarding proportion wasn't really my own opinion.. I don't really have one on this subject - I suspect that back in the very early years, the quality of rendering the avatar mesh might not have been on par with what it is today. My own avatar is tall for the other reasons I mentioned. I started out trying to approximate my 5'10" RL height, and I got tired of looking like a little kid in a giant's world, so I maxed it out.

When I first designed my avatar at Orientation, I used my RL height of 5'8". When I went out into the world, I discovered that I was a bit too short to look good when dancing with the SL men. I adjusted myself up to an even 6 feet; that plus the heels is about right to look good with most of the men who actually bother to do couple dances in SL. (There are lots of REALLY gigantic men, but most of them wouldn't be caught dead on a dance floor.)

And no, I didn't just adapt the basic shape; I had already changed myself extensively before leaving Orientation Island. More leg (the proportions of Female Avatar #3 aren't quite right), more muscle and a little body fat (I wanted to look like a well-developed dancer, not an emaciated waif), and lots of changes to the face shape.