Griefers gone to far

everything was returned after the bomb happened cus it was thrown all over the place and into neighbor sims... our store in Gulbut was affected also which was right beside wheelies the whole foundations was out of whack not just a little bit but meters off

Well even if it was returned or bomb-trashed it's something that needs investigating. I know LL won't investigate it though. They still haven't investigated who was messing up my profile, and still haven't investigated who deleted everything in "the forest" a few months ago. And it was Anshe who asked for one. They don't seam to play favorits anymore i guess.

Cher, that doesn't mean that Simon actually returned anything. If items get auto-returned, for example, you get the same message. But I've heard recent stories of people's belongings getting returned from their OWN land by folks who don't have any land management rights over the parcel in question. See this post for an example. I IMmed Simon to sympathize and inquire, but haven't heard back from him. But we'll know whether he intentionally returned anything soon enough. Also, if people tossed self-replicating objects down on your land, it used to be that your own objects would get sent back to you to make room for the griefer objects. You would have gotten the same message described above in that case as well. LL supposedly fixed that in a recent update, but it's making me wonder...

Oh, and I also recently learned that Simon voluntarily pulled out of the Big Brother competition, which had initially been the reason he wasn't tending to his club.

Im afraid your wrong cher there was a nuke or a bomb or whatever it was i seen the damage it did to our own store beside wheelies
if they are allowed to do this can u imagine if this went off in some of the places like apollo gardens or a uge mall area that took weeks and months to develop... it moved prims meters out of alignment in the next sim... imagine what it did to wheelies on impact

It could also be an SL grid hiccup. Monday night, everything i rezzed on my own land was auto-returned to me... by me.

I was in group, on my own land. But by some grid hiccup, everything i rezzed used the group i wore when i logged on (not the same as my land group), so my auto-return sent it back.

Never happened before, hasn't happened since. Not quite the same thing Wildfire mentioned, but it does document a breakdown in the grid. I still think that some officer in that group turn on the auto-return on the club's land, without thinking through the implications.

I can confirm there is a return bug currently.

Recently I was online at my home doing something I can't say in forums (aka being naughty) when I got message.

I had returned an item to my inventory that was not only on the other side of the sim but also about 600 meters in the air. Checked about land to see if something was up...and I could see nothing. Noone returned it and we had about 2K+ free prims left. I have received that message before on another persons land saying the land was full...but it was merely that they turned on group return (conflicting message).

I had the return bug too -- half my house was gone -- the same time that Wheelies had the issue. Simon and I discussed this. Because the messages we received were different, is why I came to the conclusion that mine was an SL bug, Wheelies was an error.

See I hate to leap to the griefer, nuke conclusion. I would like to think the best of people, perhaps I am wrong

if wheelies was an error how do u explain the base prims of the building thrown around and the land itself damaged and the buildings in the next sim meters off alignment the return was done after the fact by tom to clear what was left on the land so they could rebuild

Coming from the source of these two I'm going with group officer or SL hiccup.

That wasn't a hiccup, that's the way it's designed. You have to be wearing the tag of the group you have set the land to, even if it is land you own. At least that's my understanding.

If you are wearing title of group A when you rez objects or prims they will have the same group name. If that group A rezzed item is on land owned by Group B and auto return is on...it will return your object. Also if the land is set to not allow building to all residesnt (meaning only group members can rez objects) It is my experience you HAVE to have the tag on which is counter to the land permissions where you just need to be in the group.

PS: Still doesn't explain how an item became phsyical.

Well I've been told by someone who has actually used a nuke like this, that the only way it can destroy a building is if the land is set to nonsafe. So was the land the club was on set to nonsafe? And if the claims that it affected the buildings around as well, were all of those landowners leaving their land nonsafe too?

By the way "push" and "unsafe" are not the same thing. Was all the land affected set to allow damage?

Thanks I went to site and even joined but still clueless perhaps its as incurable as my desire to secretly wear baby dragon avatars who smoke cigars but quit wearing baby avatars publicly because I didn't want to be labeled wrong and decided to big elf ears and and occasional tail. LOL

Short answer. I have been talking with Tom, the manager that was there at the time. It was an object that he returned to some one. When he did everything else poofed. I have seen this on my land before. A script with a hack or something that when you return it it sends back other stuff. When it happend to me i clicked on object, hit return and my store went poof.

I think i've figured out what happened. Any bomb/explosion effects were a cosmetic decoy. There's been a bug recently where rezzing prims excess of a parcel's carrying capacity can cause items to be autoreturned seemingly at random.

Here's the clue:


What i suspect may have happened is that someone let loose a self-replicating prim which pushed the land parcel past it's prim allowance, triggering the autoreturn.

The bug you speak of was supposedly fixed a few weeks ago, as described in this Linden Blog post. However, thanks to Matteo's latest post it's sounding like THIS case was not so much a bug as user error. (The return all objects button is dangerously close to the return user's objects button in the About Land UI, if I remember correctly.)

There's still SOMETHING going on with items being wrongly returned, but the self-replicating issue supposedly no longer applies.

as i posted before they let something go that damaged the buildings at wheelies and surrounds areas then everything awas scattered and then the owner sent the rest of the items back to clean the land up ...all this damage to the BUILDINGS happened using SAFE on the about land tab

I have been having an issue in Serenity Woods where the tip of the waterfall by the store entrance has returned to me about 3 times since it's been there. I get no message saying "your object has been retrned" i just wander by and see it isn't there, so i check my inventory and sure enough it's in my lost and found folder. :/ I know i set it to the group it's even deeded so the other officers can move it if needed.

You cant auto return every thing when your clicking on an object.

I'm not doubting that something happened, but I do think you're mistaken as to what. Damage to buildings and land is only possible if under the land options the "safe (no damage)" option is unchecked.

This is something the landowner has to actually choose to do by going into the about land window and unchecking the box. The damage you're describing really does sound like a user error, not an attack. Likely a user error as a result of trying to stop an attack.

BOTH parcels of land are check mark and were check marked SAFE and the damage still happened and will happen again cus there are many exploits and bugs in this game that people love to take advantage of

your correct Raine both wheelies and the store we have that had damage are check marked as safe from damage but that did nothing to stop this nuke or bomb or whatever it was that messed everything up

i believe anything is possible
look what happened with copybot and here we all thought our content was safe

Actually, it really was a hiccup

I -WAS- wearing my land group tag when i rezzed the objects.

The land group tag was not the tag I wore when I had logged in.

The objects rezzed picked up the tag i wore at log in, which had been changed an hour earlier; they did not pick up the land group tag that I was wearing. But, thank you for contributing.



It also appears that this happened to several other posters here, right around the same time, and quite possibly around the same time as the club incident. What happened to me occurred Monday night around 22:30 SLT give or take a half hour.

Well, after reading this and Other Posts it's obvious to me Matteo Goofed, or Paniced, and hit the wrong Button. There was no Bomb. The griefers were still materially responsible for Causing the returns, But it wasn't any Direct action of thiers that Executed it. It was the Only person who Could do it, a Land Owner, or group member with the correct permissions.
It's Bad enough when griefers cause this kind of trouble, you Don't need to resort to stories about Mythical Bombs, or Rumored Exploits to gain our Sympathies, you already have them.
Also this MORE than adaquately explains LLs Inaction on this Matter. In the end, he Did it to Himself, and LL Cannot Resore a property that was composed of Other peoples Items Once those items were returned. In Effect, that would give each contributer Second Copies of Many items, EVEN the Ones with restricted permissions.
LL has been Unfairly treated in this Thread.
I don't expect anyone to acknowledge it, or apologize for going off on them without having all the facts in First, But i Hope at least people will Slow down on thier Hair trigger Linden Bashing.

Off to Other Threads.
Angel.