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Pserendipity Daniels
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07-03-2009 10:10
From: Seven Okelli No, this is what I expect: It will profile four women.
1. is lonely and never seems to hook up with the right guy, and this echoes her experience in RL.
2. is an experimenter, tries all sorts of things that she would never do in real life. in real life she has a boring , rather conservative job
3. a very stable, well adjusted woman who met her husband in SL, and they both use it as part of their relationship/love life/sex life
4. a wild card. maybe a woman who is into something dark that I can't imagine and the author has a difficult time writing about it and keeping it on a level of public consumption
. So three real women and one too fantastical for anyone to believe in? Pep (#3 obviously)
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07-03-2009 10:11
From: Brenda Connolly Can I be #4??? Please? OMG! /me hides behind a chair .
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07-03-2009 10:11
From: danielbergner Composer What makes me think that I, as a man, can write about female desire? ... Well, if this causes you concern, remember that in SL *YOU* can be female. I do happen to have an acceptable trans skin, and of course shapes and clothes you could get by in. We'd have to get you hair, but that's easy.  |
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07-03-2009 10:11
From: Scylla Rhiadra /me is hoping that this is not going to result in another portrayal of this place that assumes that "SL" stands for "Sex Life" . . .
Daniel, Second Life is an AWFULLY big place, and there's an enormous amount out there that has nothing to do with online relationships or sex. There's art, literature, music; there are historical reconstructions, and there is political and social activism.
While I appreciate that your main focus is going to be upon the cybersex and relationships angle, I do hope that you are going to experience enough of the REST of SL to place this all within a larger context. Yes, I really do know this. And in my books, humanity, in all its complexity, is the focus. You can see that in my last book, which dealt lots with the erotic -- but also lots with art. I'm writing here about life, not just cybersex. This is hard to explain in these short messages..... |
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07-03-2009 10:11
From: Pserendipity Daniels So three real women and one too fantastical for anyone to believe in?
Pep (#3 obviously) /me sings, "Fairy tales can come true / dey can happun to you / if you're young at heart" .
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07-03-2009 10:12
From: Seven Okelli Oh, and a final chapter that makes passing mention of furries, Gor and other roleplay environments, child avatars, non-human avatars, women using male alts, ...
hinting that an adequate treatment of the subject would run to several volumes.
. You don't get it do you, Seven? This is about the women at the keyboard and *their* desires . . . Pep ( . . . not those of the cartoon characters.)
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07-03-2009 10:13
From: Seven Okelli /me sings, "Fairy tales can come true / dey can happun to you / if you're young at heart"
. Even my eleven year old daughter doesn't believe in the Tooth Fairy any more . . . Pep ( . . despite still deriving a regular income from dental experiences)
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07-03-2009 10:14
From: Pserendipity Daniels You don't get it do you, Seven? This is about the women at the keyboard and *their* desires . . .
Pep ( . . . not those of the cartoon characters.) I guess I don't get it. My cartoon character is me. She wears nice clothes because *I* want them, and has a pretty house because *I* want it. .
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07-03-2009 10:17
From: Seven Okelli I guess I don't get it. My cartoon character is me. She wears nice clothes because *I* want them, and has a pretty house because *I* want it.
. Which is why Daniel won't be interested in you.  Pep ("Dog bites man"? Still no takers.)
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07-03-2009 10:29
From: danielbergner Composer Yes, I really do know this. And in my books, humanity, in all its complexity, is the focus. You can see that in my last book, which dealt lots with the erotic -- but also lots with art. I'm writing here about life, not just cybersex. This is hard to explain in these short messages..... Fair enough, Daniel. I am reassured, and look forward to reading what you come up with. Have fun on your tour (but not TOO much fun . . . although, why not, after all?) and may Erato smile down upon your endeavours, etc. etc. etc. . . . 
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07-03-2009 10:46
From: Scylla Rhiadra Fair enough, Daniel. I am reassured, and look forward to reading what you come up with. Have fun on your tour (but not TOO much fun . . . although, why not, after all?) and may Erato smile down upon your endeavours, etc. etc. etc. . . . /me is sure that in the immortal words of The News of the World, Daniel will "make his excuses . . . Pep ( . . . and leave".)
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07-03-2009 10:56
From: Brenda Connolly Can I be #4??? Please? I thought of you as soon as I saw #4 
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07-03-2009 10:58
90 replies in this generic survey thread?
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07-03-2009 11:09
From: Nina Stepford 90 replies in this generic survey thread? It's Friday, Nina.
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07-03-2009 11:10
From: Seven Okelli OMG!
/me hides behind a chair
. You sure you want to hide behind THAT chair?
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07-03-2009 11:10
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07-03-2009 11:11
From: someone Originally Posted by Seven Okelli
OMG!
/me hides behind a chair Actually, I'd be a combination of 2 and 4, I think.
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07-03-2009 12:16
Interesting...... wonder how I missed this one..... I wont be able to add anything to the fodder here, as I don't participate in any sort of romantic or sexual anything in SL. It's just not on my agenda. I reserve the really good stuff for my RL.  But what strikes me......is time and again...and again...and again....all I ever read about is the relationship between the human being and the web/virtuality as it relates to our sexuality. *yawn* it's getting tiresome, really. There's so so so much more going on with-in the virtual framework then people's primal fantasies being played out. Yeah, it's there, and it's fascinating.......for a while. Then it just gets old. You want to discuss female sexuality 'in general'.....ok. I'm down with that. Perhaps, I'm one of the exceptions to the rule. Cyber simply doesn't cut it for me. I've certainly witnessed enough.....morbid curiosity kept me busy exploring the seedier side of SL for the first few months. But it always struck me more on a creative level.....like "wow, look what people are creating in here....plants that f*** ya!" LOL Then it became mundane....I'm involved more for the creative venue.....the exploration of asthetics in cyber space. And I have another agenda...more personal....more important....and more uniquely served via this amazing virtual community. *sigh* but alas you'r focused on sex and relationships..... have at it bro.....I'll keep an eye out for your end result. |
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07-03-2009 12:16
Well, I'm not really sure if SL is really "another country" or all that big, in comparison to, say, Pakistan or even Texas or even Austin. Its just there aren't that many guide books and places keep changing every week. Yes, there's millions who have registered ONCE, but the people who are in world several times a month come to around half a million. Throw in time zone differences and the international reach of SL you might say there's about 200,000 who could potentially rub elbows with each other at any given time during their normal waking/non-working hours.
So what do we have here? You need a moderate to high end computer, and given SL's steep learning curve most people will have some basic smarts and combination of either stubborness or determination or desperation to get past the learning curve. You also need to be the kind of person who has the leisure time to be inworld, and who choses to pursue that leisure time online as opposed to out in the world, and values that time over other potential channels.
The pie is getting sliced pretty thin...
The easy answer is to say "geek culture" but that's probably only half at most. There's also a fair number of disabled, and hobbyist types like stay at home moms or home office types who need the social outlet but can't escape the cocoon they're in at home because they're tied to one location for X number of hours per day. I'd say about 10% are artistic types who like the ability to "create magic", and others like the different kind of music they can be exposed to. Another 15-20% (guesstimate only) are routinely tied to a virtual culture, such as furries or tinies or steampunk or rpgs. So there's your base, and of course people will come up behind me and say "you're dead wrong" but that's to be expected, we do only see what we choose to see.
The woman to male ratio isn't 50/50, but there's enough of a balance so people aren't saying "how can we attract more women" to Second Life?"
Get in touch with the guy who runs the "New World Notes" blog, he can point you in some well-informed directions concerning what the terrain is like. He used to work in-house before Linden Lab cut him loose a couple years ago, but still stays very current and doesn't seem to have any bias one way or the other.
I know it doesn't answer your question directly, but scut-level research is always necessary...and you can contact me inworld and I can point to some other things on the fringy side.
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07-03-2009 12:18
My how this thread has grown!
Viagra?
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07-03-2009 12:24
From: Soen Eber Well, I'm not really sure if SL is really "another country" or all that big, in comparison to, say, Pakistan or even Texas or even Austin. Its just there aren't that many guide books and places keep changing every week. Yes, there's millions who have registered ONCE, but the people who are in world several times a month come to around half a million. Throw in time zone differences and the international reach of SL you might say there's about 200,000 who could potentially rub elbows with each other at any given time during their normal waking/non-working hours.
So what do we have here? You need a moderate to high end computer, and given SL's steep learning curve most people will have some basic smarts and combination of either stubborness or determination or desperation to get past the learning curve. You also need to be the kind of person who has the leisure time to be inworld, and who choses to pursue that leisure time online as opposed to out in the world, and values that time over other potential channels.
The pie is getting sliced pretty thin...
The easy answer is to say "geek culture" but that's probably only half at most. There's also a fair number of disabled, and hobbyist types like stay at home moms or home office types who need the social outlet but can't escape the cocoon they're in at home because they're tied to one location for X number of hours per day. I'd say about 10% are artistic types who like the ability to "create magic", and others like the different kind of music they can be exposed to. Another 15-20% (guesstimate only) are routinely tied to a virtual culture, such as furries or tinies or steampunk or rpgs. So there's your base, and of course people will come up behind me and say "you're dead wrong" but that's to be expected, we do only see what we choose to see.
The woman to male ratio isn't 50/50, but there's enough of a balance so people aren't saying "how can we attract more women" to Second Life?"
Get in touch with the guy who runs the "New World Notes" blog, he can point you in some well-informed directions concerning what the terrain is like. He used to work in-house before Linden Lab cut him loose a couple years ago, but still stays very current and doesn't seem to have any bias one way or the other.
I know it doesn't answer your question directly, but scut-level research is always necessary...and you can contact me inworld and I can point to some other things on the fringy side. Thanks, Soen, both for your perspective and for the recommendation of that blogger... |
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07-03-2009 12:27
From: Brenda Connolly From: Seven Okelli OMG!
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. You sure you want to hide behind THAT chair? You'd have thought she would have learned after her last visit to your place.
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07-03-2009 12:44
Hey Daniel .. I'd recommend that you pick up this book called, Coming of Age in Second Life : An Anthropologist Explores the Virtually Human by Tom Boellstorff. You can get a limited preview here: http://books.google.com/books?id=QmFQK7y6r_8C&lpg=PP1&dq=coming%20of%20age%20in%20second%20life&pg=PP1It's a book I'd highly recommend that you read as part of your research for your work. Chapter Six specifically address issues of intimacy, sexuality and relationships http://books.google.com/books?id=QmFQK7y6r_8C&lpg=PP1&dq=coming%20of%20age%20in%20second%20life&pg=PA151Good luck and let us know if and when you've published something. It's a topic that I'm sure will garner a lot of interest in the community.
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07-03-2009 13:00
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07-03-2009 13:02
From: Damien1 Thorne From: Brenda Connolly From: Seven Okelli
OMG!
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You sure you want to hide behind THAT chair? You'd have thought she would have learned after her last visit to your place. All I can say is, "tee hee!" .
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