You can tell character by what gets someone angry.

Thank you Aaron.

Jen, if memory serves, the "naming names" thing was handed down in a forum post by (I think) either Robin or Jeska many months ago, which I'm searching for but having a hard time finding. I'm not completely sure it was ever properly written into the forum guidelines (which is where it would be, not the TOS/CS). However, it should really be seen as an addendum to the rules about personal attacks. I can't make a thread titled "Torley Linden Scammed Me!", for example. "Happy Birthday Torley" is fine. (Just picking you as an example, Torley .

The only problem with your thread that I see is that it might have been better off started in Notices and Well Wishes, or as a Private Message to Steve (but in the state the thread is currently in, moving it now would be a bad idea).

In the last 30 days over 3000 users have posted to the forums (this information is publicly available if you know where to look). Consider no more then 26% actualy saw the thread and of that as few as 17% of those who did voted. Those are bad odds (4.7% of forum users). It's much more fare to say that there are as many as 651 undecided voters in addition to the 21 counted undecided voters.

If we count those 651 as undecided we get...
6.69 % Yes
8.46 % No
84.85% Undecided

Considering such a large margin of error, the only thing that can be drawn from your poll, is that the majority of people don't care. Its a non issue for most forum goers. The majority don't find contention with the rules or how they are administred.

If you gave out free candy or t-shirts, then they might care.

Extra:
In the last 30 days SL grew by about 28700 users.

Zap, I have stuck up for the resmods on so many occasions now. Probably in almost every post I make on the topic.

I stuck up for you in a thread, you may recall. Your response to my doing so was less than gracious.

One can stick up for the resmods while saying the program stinks. And part of the reason the program stinks is precisely that - because the resmods are individual residents just like all of us, who are doing a job they shouldn't be doing, not even getting paid to do it, and suffering the abuse they get from doing it.

Being against the resmod program is not at all the same as being against the resmods.

coco

I edited the title of the thread from "To Steve Steed" ---> "You can tell character by what gets someone angry." to match what Jennifer edited it to later.

However, what Elle says is something that resonates with me too: "naming names" in a post title need not be a bad, dirty, shameful thing to edit out if it's positive!

That being said, good discussion like this is what prompts adaptation and changes to the forum Guidelines.

This thread is discussing actions involved in the ResMod programme... and has broadened up. It's fine here.

There is such a thing as common sense, after all!

oh.... noooow you want to apply common sense...

i mean if common sense were the touchstone... how many threads would have been unmoved?

which is to say... you want to bend the rules when it suits you...

You know Torley I tried to make that very same argument with regard to moving Perse's post informing scripters of the scripting contest and was hit with a rule book. I think you can see how it makes us all happy when one standard is applied to the Lindens and Resmods and another standard is applied to the rest of us.

you know, torley would make an excellant choice to be president of the united states

we really need someone who is not only a diplomat, but a master of common sense

To the resmod mentioned in the original post:

I'm so sorry this turned out to be an unpleasant experience for you and I'm sorry to see you go. It sounds as if you volunteered your time in good faith with hopes of providing a service to your fellow SLers. Your intentions were noble and your efforts appreciated by at least a few of us.

I do hope your departure does not extend to SL in general -- you deserve the joys, fun, and friendship of SL as much as anyone -- log on and enjoy! Please!

Up to this point I haven't been for or against the resmod program, merely watching to see how it develops.

First, I think one thing in my mind is clear. It isn't going to work well having citizens monitoring other citizens. I see reasons for moderation, but I think that moderation needs to be done by paid employees. A paid employee is less likely to be swayed by the opinions of others based on like or dislike for them. I'm not saying the current resmods are being biased, but we can all see they are certainly being accused of it over and over again. A paid employee is also I think less likely to be personally insulted as often as the current VOLUNTEERS have been. It seems as if sometimes some people seem to think it's more ok to tell someone they're doing a lousy job if you dont actually view it to be a real job that may matter to them.

Which brings me to my other point....

People, it's fine to question the actions of someone and allow them to explain themselves but over and over again I'm seeing resmods being attacked and criticized simply for doing what they feel is right. Whether you agree with their actions or not, please remember they are human beings with feelings who are just trying their best to help out and do a good job. If you don't like how someone is doing his/her job it's ok to say "I don't like that" but it isn't ok to say it over and over again and hold them personally responsible for the way YOU feel until you finally drive them away.

There, my two cent rant... done now.

Yea what she said.... and a whole lot shorter and clearer than me.

ZOMG , too true

i'll let the goodwin slide this time

Well that's just crazytalk!

I second that emotion!

I agree with all of this UNLESS it is Lee Linden or his equivant who is hired

that would truly be a bad to worse scenerio

I only voted in one poll and only today, so I am no not claiming this to be a scientific poll (I didn't care one way or another when the resmod issue was announced because i didn't think it would have such a negative effect on the forums. it has intruded itself on my enjoyment of the forums in a rather significant way, hence I am now more interested in this subject).

But seriously, if people were so FOR resmods, why did they have to start a new forum to deal with the backlash of posts about the resmod system so it could be hidden in this obscure area far far away from the spotlight of general?

let us live in reality for a second

Because they are infact a minority? Has anyone actualy counted the number of users agaisnt the ResMod program? I mean actualy counted, not by running a poll, but by going though the threads and counting the number of vocal users?
I don't have the answers for these questions, i'm not keen on writing scripts to generate these answers.

If the majority of people were against the program, then the thread turn over rate in this forum would be much greater. There are theads on the index page that haven't been posted to in 2 weeks. I think portions of the vocal part of the community need to come to grips with that they are a minority. While I may agree with many of the arguments against the ResMod program, I do not feel they should be reasons to discontinue it. For my thoughts on how to make it better, see this feature suggestion thread; most people who commented thought it was a good idea (read posts 1, 6, 20, 28, & 29; most of the rest are about uneveness of rules currently applied, which is what the feature suggestion would help to eliminate).

I will not be posting on this again, i consider the issue closed unless someone has anything origional to contribute.

how about this? we take all those in favor and add their post counts, and take all those against it and their collective postcount

lindens do not count

therefore, people who contribute more to the forums have a greater say

is that arbritrary enough of a rule to qualify?

How about this? People stop trying to explain away all those poll results and admit there's a problem.

coco