Remove "FRIEND" from Map

Residents need to pick their friends very carefully. If you dont want to give away your location at all times suggest exchanging cards. This will give you everthing you want except location. If you want them to visit you can send them a TP.

i have been conserned about this breach of privacy issue for some time now. i have submitted votes and made votes to salve it and nothing has been done. If we cant have a offline/invisability status feature atleast give us some other down to earth way. So i have yet another solution. You know how you have the ability to grant modify rights in the friends list? how about the ability to grand mapping rights? by default your friends wont see you on the map. But if you select a friend in the list and click this button, then they can. This way in order for them to map you they have to IM you and ask permission. It can also be revoked!

if i was wanting to visit a frd in Rl?
i'd phone them...just to see if it was convenient?

if i'm in SL?
i do the same.

it's purely a lack of manners and courtesy, and i find that too many ppl disrespect that.


so why can't something like a notecard be added to all the other stuff you get in the 'training areas'?......you know?....welcome to Sl etc.,..........but remember youre manners?
IF YOU HAVE ANY!?!?

If you dont trust your "friends" not to bother you, dont put any on your list! I trust my "friends" to check my position and make a sound judgement on when to TP to my position. If it is really important to them they can TP at any time, but it better be important! Also I dont mind my friends knowing where I am at. I have nothing to hide from them. In any case what you propose is to make friends like calling cards. Calling Cards required a little more work but you cant have everthing.

I don't really mind being *stalked* as I don't do anything naughty in world.
But I wish there would be an option to disable people being able to do it, even if only temporarly...especially when I am high in the sky nekkid in a sandbox getting my inventory organised.
Good manners would take one a longer way than getting a mouthfull after teleporting in on someone.

It isnt a matter of trust. its a matter of privacy. we shouldnt just accept things the way they are if we dont like it. I love having friends, i just wish people in SL would have common respect for privacy. A little thing called asking first, but a lot of people dont even consider it. My RL friends do not walk into my house when i'm asleep at night unexpectedly and yell "WUSUP???"? Do you have a homing device in your bloodstream so people can track your every move and pop in right next to you? I think privacy should be a option, and we shouldnt have to buy a private sim to get it. Skyboxes with high secrity doesnt allways do it. People just don't take a hint.

Yiffy you have a point......Trust is not the issue(most of the time) But common sence of "matter of privacy". Friends listing is nice........But some times they can be a problem I know I been throu hell and back with childish kids tracking me and causing me problems. Its these screwy people that makes the good friends look bad. I don`t mind people dropping me a "HI" or i here to see how your doing..... But some people just needs to understand they need to knock before coming. Skyboxes they don`t work:/

Personally, I like the idea of "Friendship Levels" whereas you can set people with different levels of friendship.

This would require abit of extra coding as you would have to set each location you are likely to visit with a Teleport Level. Unless the developpers make it possible for the people who build the house/store/club to set what they think is an appropriate Teleport Level, which would again cause problems as I (as a consumer/visitor) feels a particular area is a TL of 3, someone else (as a consumer/visitor) feels it's a TL of 5 and the owner felt that it should be extremely private and sets it at TL 2.

-=IF=- this code was to be made, it would therefore make sense that people who want their privacy set the TL for each area. So.. this could take a while. Not really feasible.

The idea of an on/off switch is... limited at best. I know I forget where I put my keys at times. How hard is it to remember everything in the game as is?

So, something in the middle might be to have Friendship Levels, but have the user input what Level they are ok to have teleport to them. Your spouse/partner (level 5) might be able to TP to you anywhere/anytime unless you have the option off completely. Aquaintances (level 1) might only be able to when you're feeling particularly charitable.

Grouping people into different levels feels better as it's less work, and less memory (for the machine and the person) to remember who has been qualified where.

These are just ideas. Nothing is perfect. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is selling something.

I strongly disagree with those who suggest that the solution to this problem is to be more discriminating when forming friendships. This is just silly. In real life becoming somebody's friend does not confer upon them a supernatural ability to track your every location in the world. It shouldn't here either.

Let's not forget that this is not just about the ability to map and pop in on somebody. Invasion of privacy can take on more subtle forms. With this ability I can know where my friends are, who's house they are visiting, which events they are attending, who they are with, etc.

It makes no sense to me that in order to form a friendship with another person you have to give all of this to them.

This feature should be a toggle - on a friend-by-friend basis - perhaps like granting permission to edit your objects is handled. It would also be nice to grant such permission for a limited period of time, to allow somebody to follow you, etc.

One further thought: privacy issues like this one are the reason we have so many alts here in Second Life. If Linden Lab would take the time to address some of these privacy issues, the benefits would be far reaching.

I like the above idea, and the toogle switch idea. I also have a suggestion related to the BUSY feature:
It would be a nice feature if we were able to select who did and didn't see us as busy. That way if we wanted to have a private conversation with someone we could do so without a million IMs popping up. LL could put little check boxes beside our friends and groups on our list and when we select busy it could default to having all on our list checked. We could then uncheck those groups or friends that we didn't want to show as busy to. Also, if we dissapeared from the map for all but the unchecked on our list that would be dandy too!

I am in favor of the "No Track" and "No IM" checkboxes.

One thing that really irritates me sometimes is the "Group IM's" I get when there are events. I've love to be able to mute them.

Yes, I also feel we all should be able to shut off 'tracking' selectively.

A very old, dear friend just removed all friends because some were tracking her. Now I have to look for her using 'find', and I often miss her when shes Online.

LL, you do need to put more 'RL' restrictions on friendships. Thats my opinion.

Still people should be more careful when selecting "friends". I need to go through my list and eliminate a lot of them. To give you some background, I am a "country" person from Okinawa and not from the cold hearted Eastern Capitial where friendships are things of convience and discarded when not. I take my friendships seriously! These are people and not "toys" and my presence is not a "privage" but myself sharing.

Do not think Linden Labs will modify the Friendship Control. Perhaps if residents are unhappy they sould select no friends or worse their values will be imposed on the rest of us by having Linden Labs remove the option.

Ranma, nobody is suggesting they remove the option. In fact, we are suggesting that they add the option. Presently, it's not an option at all. Your friends know exactly where you are, at all times. This is bizzare. It should be optional.

I for one know to me friends are important. And, no I don't pick them out of thin air. I do however not like the idea that they can just "KNOW" where I am and if they so choose, "POP" in on me unannounced. Now to many do that? No, but there have been some that have before. Sometimes I'd much rather not be disturbed. And, the busy mode I really think could then be used. But, it would only be worth using if everyone on my friends list IM'd me before "POPPING" in. I can understand if it's something very urgent. But, that isn't how everyone see's it. I do take great joy in all the friends I do have on my list and really don't want to "CLEAN" it up. Unfortunately I may just have to do that if something isn't changed where we don't have to allow everyone on the list to know where we are and just come anytime they'd like because they think its just fine. Which most times is fine with me. I'd just like a call (IM) before they show up.

Well, sometimes I do. As a mentor I often accept offers of friendship from newbies because I want them to have easy access to me for at least a couple of weeks. And, it's nice for me because I can see when they have logged on and I can check with them to see if they need any help. I usually remove these people as friends after a couple of weeks because they no longer need my mentoring. My point is that not every friend is a close friend and I do not wish to broadcast my every move to every person that I consider a "friend".

Think if this was a issue from a lot of residents, Linden Labs would just remove the feature. They have a lot on their plate with outer problems and upgrading the SL experience.

Still suggest you use calling cards instead. They allow you to see if they are on. If newbies need help, they need to ask you or use the live help function. It is my only suggestion for residents who dont want to have their movements tracked at all times. If you are being bothered, it most be because people like to be with you. It is the price for being a popular person! I dont have that problem.

hi everyone! This is a really interesting thread. I have a lot of friends. I don't even know what a contact card is. i've never had a problem with having lots of friends - no one following me or anything like that. i do have one friend who will say, "i've mapped you and i'm coming there now, hope you don't mind."

the first time he did it, I didn't know what he meant. now I do! I can see where some people who get obsessed or jealous or something might misuse the map a friend feature. But overall, i like how it works, that you can see your friends online and try to connect with them.

I always hated online places where you could *hide* - it breeds distrust and lying and sneaky behavior. You can't *hide* in the real world, unless you go somewhere and actually disconnect from the world (no phone, no bills, no whatever). And someone can still come by your real residence and look through your windows to see if you are there!

making rules or changes to something on the minority of occurances of something happening (friends popping in on you unannounced) seems counterproductive to me.

Anyway, as a newish SL'er - I like that friend feature on the map AND I like not being able to hide.

The quotation above? -- in every world I've ever been a part of, the "old" people say--"this is the best way, the right way, the way it's always been and lament changes" and the "new" people who come in who are using a different system than the original folks say, "ooo i like this!" --

Ummm, human nature. I find it fascinating that of all the traits we have, not liking change is one that gets brought to SL with the most regularity.

Darlins'..the ONLY thing constant in the real world or in SL is ..... change.

anyway, you all sound super bright and i'm glad to be among you!

Simple Suggestion for Linden Lab:

Make Exchange Calling Card where Exchange Friendship would be. So it can be given more like a Business card, for us and for the lindens. Honestly I feel bad to have to say to someone, Sorry I don't exchange Calling cards anymore, I get IM'd way too much as soon as I pop online.

When in Busy mode, Block Teleport to and Instead of the suggested hide online status, show on a friends and Find list BUSY MODE. so your friends and customers can see that you are busy before they IM you. I have people who send me things in busy mode and get upset that they think I am declining their Inventory Offer, at least it would give fair warning that I can't accept it and to IM me first.

I think instead of implimenting anything new like hide online, just tweak the busy mode to be use properly and their should be less hard feelings towards people.

Persephone, point taken. I would really like to be friends with everyone. But, that is impossable. Not everyone would really agree with all the things I say and/or do. I have quite a bit of friends in my list.

I have to be honest. Less then half. Probably even less then a quater of them "pop" in on me at all unless they IM first. I only did that once to someone and that was when I first started. Bad idea and I really regreted it even though the person didnt seem to notice or ever say anything about it.

I know a lot of people have curtesy enough to ask if they can come to where you are. But, I wonder if they are the same ones that use the map feature first to see if you are alone or maybe busy? No way to know unless you ask them. Not that that matters really. Probably not relevent much to all this totally.

I just like the idea that I could turn it off and be invisable to all or even some if that was a choice. Sometimes I just want to jump in do something fast and leave. And, that would make is so much easier.

Friend is one of the best things that was added to the map along with land for sale. i love it i use it all the time.
The most useful thing about it is that you dont have to go through your friends list to see who is online that is a quick way to do that and to just go find a friend instead of going through you friend list or Find. Also when you are with a friend shopping, if he/she is shopping at another store its a good way to go find that friend if they go off to somewhere else as in tracking them so you can follow them. It is a great way to find a friend.
So please Lindens KEEP FRIENDS ON THE MAP AS AN OPTION!!!! please.

Yes this is a great 'Option'. When shoping or exporing it is very usefull to keep together. Now the idea of having 'Another blue dialog box poping up is nvery anoying. This object wants to ... is bad enough but if you get several people looking to see where you are so they can go there for a class you all agreed to go to would not be a good thing.
It is an Option. SL needs more options. They added the Friends list as well as calling cards to help with this kind of problems. I agree it is harder to just give a calling card. (You can also delete and cancle them so try that before giving up on a good Option!

Well, I want to keep the friends as it is. I understand that some residents do things they are embaresed of but that is their problem and not mine. Dont like people that are two faced! Act like thay are your friend but only looking to take advantage of you. I have no problem with the system as stands! My last word on this!

Just take off the blue window down the bottom of the screen that pops up saying someone has come one or logged off.

Know we know what a movie star has to go through everyday of there life.

I like the functionality of Friends and Calling Cards is just fine as it is. However, the way they are integrated into the GUI needs to be changed. They are counterintuitive at best. Acquaintances should be exchanging Calling Cards, but the way they are set up on the pie menu people just use the convienient choice which is friendship.

I have given up trying to explain to someone I have just met that I would prefer to exchange calling cards rather than accepting their offer of friendship. It would be nice to have an option on the offer of friendship to exchange calling cards instead of outright declining the incoming offer.

Wasnt going to say any more but I agree. I hate to disapoint people outright about friendship offers. To their credit my friends are not a bother to me.