Remove "FRIEND" from Map
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Apple Pinkney
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01-17-2006 10:09
Is this the place to ask about removing the option to locate Friends on the Map?
If anyone wants to come to wherever I might be, they are always welcome to IM me and see if I am available. Alas, there are too many Friends who think that since we have this feature on the Map, it is perfectly all right to just Teleport themselves to wherever I may be, whether their timing is appropriate or not.
Teleport feature aside, I am sure I am not the only person who has times when I simply don't want anyone to simply be able to look me up on the map and see where I am.
Thank you.
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Pain Pirandello
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01-17-2006 12:19
<edit -- removed quote >
Dont give out friendship so easy. Give out contact cards, only true friends who would never pop in on you should be in your friends list.
Just my $.02
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bouncy Squeegee
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01-17-2006 23:03
From: Apple Pinkney Is this the place to ask about removing the option to locate Friends on the Map?
If anyone wants to come to wherever I might be, they are always welcome to IM me and see if I am available. Alas, there are too many Friends who think that since we have this feature on the Map, it is perfectly all right to just Teleport themselves to wherever I may be, whether their timing is appropriate or not.
Teleport feature aside, I am sure I am not the only person who has times when I simply don't want anyone to simply be able to look me up on the map and see where I am.
Thank you. There probably is another one out there someplace. If you have that problem dump them off your friends list and give them calling cards. They sound more like customers than friends anyway. But they won't take that feature completely off because too many people want and use it. What would be nice, then, is to have a configurable option as to whether or not you want to be findable by your friends. This would accomodate everyone.
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Lewis Nerd
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01-18-2006 05:40
We have a similar thing in Sims Online, where you can see the property that your 'friend' is in, and go straight there.
There is a little button that you can set on your profile to turn privacy 'on' and this prevents any 'unwanted intrusions'. They can, of course, still see that you are online and message you, so if you want someone to know where you are you can tell them, and presumably here could tp them over - but it would stop just anyone turning up.
I see no reason why this couldn't be implemented in a similar form in SL
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Travis Lambert
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01-18-2006 09:28
The ability to map friends is a useful feature when both parties actively consent to it.
For example, when you wish to 'follow' someone - maping your friend with that dynamic red line is most useful.
However, agreed - the majority of its uses are annoying at best.
Possibly keep the ability to 'Map Friend' - but popup a confirmation dialog to the friend on the other side, asking for permission first?
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Sammy Sillanpaa
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help for the newbie! contact cards vs. friends
01-18-2006 10:21
From: Pain Pirandello <edit -- removed quote >
Dont give out friendship so easy. Give out contact cards, only true friends who would never pop in on you should be in your friends list.
Just my $.02 Hiya everyone! I'm pretty new here. I think this is my 3rd post. Anyway, is there a difference between "contact cards" and the Add as Friend feature in the pie menu? I mean, I like having friends, but as much as I try to make a note about who that person is, I'm adding friends so fast it's almost meaningless! Of course, I'll add Travis as a friend if he'll make his questions easier in his game show.  Thanks!
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Drift Monde
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01-18-2006 10:49
It's a bit misleading since the add contact is on the "more" section of the pie menu and rarely used since alot of folks don't know the difference. It would be nice if there was just one option that when clicked gave you the option to select "friend" or "calling card" .
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Dillon Steinbeck
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01-18-2006 10:51
From: Sammy Sillanpaa Hiya everyone! I'm pretty new here. I think this is my 3rd post. Anyway, is there a difference between "contact cards" and the Add as Friend feature in the pie menu? I mean, I like having friends, but as much as I try to make a note about who that person is, I'm adding friends so fast it's almost meaningless! "Calling cards", which can be given with "Give Card" under more, are simply a link to your profile. "Add as Freind" as gives you their card, and also adds their name to your Freinds list and IM.
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Ash Qin
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01-18-2006 10:56
Calling cards also don't tell you when someone is online/offline.
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Usagi Musashi
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01-18-2006 10:59
From: Travis Lambert The ability to map friends is a useful feature when both parties actively consent to it.
This is the problem.........This friend concept needs tp be redone......
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Spuds Milk
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01-18-2006 12:33
having been here 1.5 years, with the abiltiy to find and goto a friend(though not as easily as now possable) I see NO reason to change friends. If your 'friends' are rude enough to pop in when unwanted, tell them not to. If they persist, end the friendship. If your so-called friends can't be bothered to look at map, and see you in someplace strange/private, and don't bother IMing you, thats there rudeness.
Taking away a great feture, thats been there since before all the people in this thread that dislike joined seems silly. It's 'always' been like this for you, why complain now?
I find it amusing, that the old-timers in this thread, all seem to like it as-is.
The concept of a global see/port yes/no will quickly mean that virtually everyone blocks it, rendering it useless.
now, ADDDING to fuctionality I wouldn't mind, if added different levels of friend "only get notify","can IM", "can see but not port", "can port" would be great. Even better, is if they where levels of friends, so you can tune it. while working in your shop, all friends can page/port, while out clubbing, friends of level 2 or higher can..., etc
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Cheyenne Marquez
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01-18-2006 13:44
Theres no reason why they couldn't make this a toggle "on/off" feature.
If some people like it and would like to keep this feature on at all times, that is fine, we wouldnt want to take it away from those who like to be "mapped" at any given moment of their SL day.
Some of us would like to have an option as to when we think its appropriate to be "mapped" and have people pop up uninvited, or just randomly tp to our location when we might be a bit busy or would otherwise prefer a bit of privacy.
Is a toggle "on/off" option too much to ask for?
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GEOFF Frost
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01-18-2006 15:39
I Agree... freinds list should be for only knowing when some one is online, easy to tp them or you to them, or easy to send an IM. Other than that mapping should not be allowed! Me and DEE DEE seem to be having probs with every one mapping us and just ploping in next to us unannounced. We like to accept people on our freinds list, but dont like when they map us tp to our location. I do like the idea though of having this option toggle-able.There are only a few people on my friends list that I know that I dont mind the mapping feature being available to them, but for most I wish it wasnt allowed.
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Shack Dougall
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01-18-2006 20:57
From: Spuds Milk I find it amusing, that the old-timers in this thread, all seem to like it as-is.
Don't know if I qualify as an old-timer, but I've never liked the ability to use friends or calling cards to see where you are. It's never been intuitive to me that this should be the case and when someone used it the first time with me it was to grief me after a misunderstanding. I was less than a month old and had no idea that someone could find you that way. At the time, it was a frightening experience.
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Travis Lambert
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01-18-2006 21:44
Hehe - maybe my post above was a little unclear. I definately think that the "Map Friends" feature is a problem for privacy.
Just like some of the discussions in the "Show Offline for Chat" threads, its not neccesarily as cut & dry as simply deleting the calling cards of those who use the feature 'without knocking first'. For starters, when you delete someone's friend card the message given in response is far from 'friendly'.
I'm just suggesting that it does have some redeeming value; it just needs to be tweaked a bit so that if someone is going to map you, it's because you allowed it on a case by case basis - not as a global privlidge granted by something seemingly as innocuous as a friends card.
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Ronnie Revere
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01-18-2006 21:49
I don't post at all; but, on this issue, I feel as I've been in SL long enough to want to express my feelings. This feature should be modified; some of the ideas above are excellent. I have only used this feature once, my first month I believe, and right away realized that, it was an intrusion. It was not a huge deal to the friend I 'landed' on at the time, but, after being in SL for a little while now, I've realized that sometimes, yes, I just want to sit somewhere and listen to music, or some such that we all hold dear in SL. To just be able to turn the world 'Off' for a time would be a feature that I would appreciate. Since that first, and only time I've used it, I always IM a friend now first, just to touch base 
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Brigham Kamloops
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01-19-2006 07:18
I use this feature now and then. When I see a friend is online, I'll sometimes look to see if they're at a "public" place (club, etc.). If so, I might pop over there and visit. If it looks like they're at home, or I am unfamiliar with the location, I leave them alone. I have been very careful since the one time I meant to click "Show Destination" and accidentally hit "Teleport". At the very least those two buttons need to be farther apart! 
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Gleeb Gupte
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01-19-2006 08:27
All my friends like it when I stalk them...
those that I don't stalk hang on private, telehubbed sims.
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Persephone Milk
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01-19-2006 13:38
I would just like to voice support for making this optional, either on a case-by-case basis, or at least on a friend-by-friend basis. There is no real world analog for every person having a Lojack device installed on them so that all of their friends know where they are, and maybe who they are with, at all times. This is a serious privacy issue and yet another reason that people tend to create alts. Please clean this up Linden Lab. Thank you 
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DEEDEE Frost
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01-19-2006 14:00
I Too Agree. This Feature Should Become Optional To Those Who You Do Not Mind Mapping You. It Has Become Quite An Annoyance To Myself And Geoff When We Just Get Home And Friends Follow Us There. I Enjoy All Friends On Friend List, However, I Do Not Like To Be Stalked. Geoff And I Put Something About This Very Subject In Our Profiles But Unfortunately Not All See It Or Do And Do Not Comply. I Have Had To Remove Many People Whom I Wish Were On List For Purposes Of Knowing When They Are On Or To Use Im With Them And Tp Offers, But Have Mapped Me And Shown Up Unannounced  It Would Be Nice To Have Some Privacy When U Just Want To Be Alone For Bit.
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MacLifer Resistance
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Good feature - but needs to be optional
01-19-2006 14:03
I don't believe this feature needs to be disabled, but it should be optional in that both parties agree that it's okay for one another to track them on there or just when someone clicks the "busy" button when they're building, reading, etc., perhaps the friends indicator on the map should just turn off automatically.
Wouldn't selecting "busy" seem to be intuitive to turning that button off? Or when selecting "away", too?
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Ramus Overlord
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02-04-2006 21:25
It doesn't really need to be changed so drastically... just give us an easy "Anonymous" on and off option. If we turn it on, no one can view us on the map or TP to us. If we turn it off, people can view us on the map and TP to us. Seems simple to me!
Same thing would be nice for just having a setting to show you offline to everyone who has you friended. There are plenty of people out there im sure who want to have friends, but would like to log in without being spammed to death. (AKA Popular store owners, land barons, the cool kids at the playground, etc)
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Zapoteth Zaius
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02-04-2006 21:41
From: Ash Qin Calling cards also don't tell you when someone is online/offline. Well, they put the person in your IM list, therefore showing them in either the online or offline section.. From: Travis Lambert *snip* Possibly keep the ability to 'Map Friend' - but popup a confirmation dialog to the friend on the other side, asking for permission first? Why not just ask for a teleport? I like it the way it is, in some cases I use it to make sure I'm NOT dropping in on people. If people are abusing it, take away the friendship, as easy as that.. I do, however, support the idea of a Privacy on/off switch, or the whole invisable thing..
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MajorTom Hebert
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02-07-2006 18:17
Friendship teleports, like anything else, has it's place, but can be easily abused by some members of the community. I personally use it only when I'm following someone somewhere, and then, only if the person asks me to follow them. A lot of people use it to spy on others. I like the idea of being able to follow someone with it, but I have to agree, it should be set up in such a way as to deter abuse. The least you could do is add a window that pops up automatically asking if it would be OK for your friend to track your location. I mean, when someone sends you a TP is asks you if you'd like to go, the same thing should be implemented here, except in reverse, the person at the arrival site will get the pop up. Well, enough of that, there's my 2 cents for what it's worth.
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Calix Metropolitan
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02-07-2006 19:12
From: MajorTom Hebert Friendship teleports, like anything else, has it's place, but can be easily abused by some members of the community. I personally use it only when I'm following someone somewhere, and then, only if the person asks me to follow them. A lot of people use it to spy on others. I like the idea of being able to follow someone with it, but I have to agree, it should be set up in such a way as to deter abuse. The least you could do is add a window that pops up automatically asking if it would be OK for your friend to track your location. I mean, when someone sends you a TP is asks you if you'd like to go, the same thing should be implemented here, except in reverse, the person at the arrival site will get the pop up. Well, enough of that, there's my 2 cents for what it's worth. I agree with this idea...I think tp to a person is great, but so is privacy something SL likes to pride itself on. Good idea Tom.
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