Age Verification (Poll)

Age Verifcation companys do not provide their services free of charge, they require a payment by a particular method ie.. a credit card payment. Most do not require any other information beyond a valid CC. If your CC company is telling you who you can and cannot spend your money with I'd change company.



If someone steals your car from the driveway and knocks someone down, who goes to jail ? You can leave the doors open, with the engine running and a big neon sign above it saying please steal my car. And still you will not be liable. If they steal your car and crash into a tree leaving them in a wheelchair for life you are still not liable. But yes your right, if they cut their ass on a spring on the seat while stealing your car, they can sue you.



If your dog bites somebody who do they sue ? you or the dog ?


Besides this isn't about proveing your age it's about LL requiring you to divulge sensitive personal information to them or a third party, about yourself to gain access to a service you already have proved you are old enough to use. Feel free to corect me if I'm wrong, but you must be over 18 to get a credit card. If you have one and you are not 18 you are
a./ using someone elses (with or without their permission, if with their permission breaking the ToS of you card company and if without, commiting fraud and or theft)
or
b./ have commited fraud to obtain one.

If you facilitate your child to purchase alcohol you will find yourself in court. Whats the difference ? If SL is all about porn and simulated sex as the media would have us believe then allowing your child to access SL is corupting a minor and therefor a criminal offence. Even in the US.

Speaking as a person thats second-in-charge of a blaxxun 3D world and also in charge of Security there, I have to say the idea of age verification is the product of someones 'wooly thinking''. For one thing there is no guarantee that the person supplying the information is indeed that person, anyone can have access to parents/older siblings credit cards, licenses, birth certificates, whatever, and anyone with any knowledge of graphics work could readily make a credible ID.

I already joined SL with a credit card and in my country you have to be 18 to have one.
The other thing is that because we can use any name we want to in a virtual world, how the hell do you know that the person submitting proof is that person because of this factor also.

As for the post I saw saying that all other 3D worlds etc, will be doing the same is rubbish. The world I help run and the other one owned by the same company, have NO intention of doing this for the very above reasons.

I can see a lot of people leaving because of this Violation and the fear of private info being placed on the net, and sorry, but info that goes onto a server has a habit of staying there.
How many members does SL have, several million!!!! How long do they expect to take to contact all of these people, hell it takes forever to get a simple reply back for a technical issue alone.

If they expect people to pay to upload info that THEY demand then a lot of people simply can't afford that. THEY should foot that bill.

I do believe theres a law somewhere about people's privacy and demanding info to be placed on an internet site???

Have we all forgotten the hacking in SL a while ago when a lot of peoples info was accessed by someone??? Be aware this can and does happen!!!!

The way I see it is that as long as there is a statement that we all have to agree to stating ""Yes I am over 18"" then that should mean the Lindens are absolved of any blame.

All I can say is if you don't like it, theres the door, bye, no skin off my ****s.

You people pitched a baby fit when they got rid of verification and begged and pleaded and cried for age verification, now you got what you want and you're crying and pitching a fit that.

Careful what you wish for you might just get, careful what you wish for you may regret it.

Theres the door, cya, don't want you around no more.

by c-ya, leave this place, more room for me, more room for space.



A little ad-hoc poetry for ya, sans nastyness. Not my best but it fits.

Hopefully this will cut down on land-bots. The age verification, not my terrible poetry.

How is LL going to check "National ID" and "social security numbers" for about 200 countries globally, exactly...??

All the terms I read here are strictly for the US. Wake up, there's more than 5 billion other people on this planet....

LL isn't going to do this. a third party company called Integrity is.

some key points from their site related to repeatedly raised concerns here:

It was stated in the past when CC verification was removed that CC verification did not stop minors from accessing the grid, Why do you people want this back? what good will it do if it didn't work before?

In the past you (the community) were in an uproar when verification was removed, LL stated that they were looking into ideas for age verification, some of you came forth with suggestions as in SSN, ID cards, etc...why now have you flip-flopped on this issue when it was your suggestion to begin with? You wanted it, and LL complied with your request.

This verification will cut down (but probably not eliminate) the use of land bots, a bane to land owners\sellers and legitimate SL real estate, and yet you want to be rid of it so quick when it has not even been given a chance to work let alone be implemented.

You want SL to evolve and grow and yet you work so hard to stifle innovation, What is it exactly that you want from LL and SL?

A nation who sacrifices a little liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security.

I find this age verification thing liberating, sure I do have to give up my security but in that I'm gaining liberty.

LOL. I so love naivety.

*bump*

After reading the website of the company that will be doing the verification (Aristotle/Integrity), one thing became clear. They already have the data of just about every person who's ever registered to vote in the US. In other words, they already have your data. The way they verify is to match the data you supply against the data they already have in their database. So for the people complaining they don't want to give their data to this company, it's a moot point. They already have it.

Darien. USA now represents less than 50% of registered users. What you say does not apply to the others.

In many countries there simply are no databases these authenticators can access. If verification is a nonsense for even 20% of residents, it is a nonsense for everyone.

Are we all getting resigned now ?
To being forced to provide private personal data into insecure databases, for reasons which are manifestly illogical ?

Why illogical in this case ?
Because nothing proposed does more than verify a claim that a particular old-enough person actually exists. Even that limited verification is impossible in "two minutes" for most countries in the world, or in two days, or even at all.
Nothing in the proposal can check that it is in fact this person logging on to SL.
This is no better than a credit card. All these documents are equally "borrowable from dad's wallet".

This proposal is to protect SL from litigation, nothing more. Eroding our privacy for an illusory and cosmetic gain.
It is likely the thin end of a wedge which will soon widen.

How long before such verification is required to "cash out" a trader's Lindens, for instance ?

I get the impression the poster doesn't understand what this says, let alone what it means.

The original quote is from Bemjamin Franklin
"Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security."

A quote for our times, if ever there was one.

Or was Firefox trying to be ironic, and accidentally over-egged the cake ?

^^fixed.

i have a gut feeling Aristotle intends to use electoral roll data to verify UK customers. it's a publicly available record (you can access it via the internet through companies like 192.com and b4usearch.com), and anybody over 18 must sign it by law. Name, house number and postcode would be enough for them to confirm that I live here, that I'm at least 18 years old, and if that data matches that which i provided Linden Lab at my time of registration.. bingo.. verified customer.

Cages are built to keep people in, not to keep people out. You want more security be ready to sacrifice your freedom. And like someone already said, they already have your personal Info, it isn't going to make any difference.

And I was paraphrasing and yes I know what it means. Don't make me sic the rest of the dogs on you.

I would just like to ensure that you have all seen Daniel's followup to Friday's post on the Linden Lab blog at: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/05/07/more-on-identity-verification/. Also, Robin has recently commented in the following forum threads:
http://forums.secondlife.com/showth...77&page=7&pp=15 and http://forums.secondlife.com/showth...1&page=11&pp=15.
We appreciate all of your feedback. Keep talking to us.

Why? you don't listen ! 75% of respondants to this poll want you to drop this. Are you listening?

Who is watching the front door? Underage people are not allowed in SL.
if that Underage person is Lieing ..Cheating.. Stealing credit cards... Faulsifying documents or Hacking their way into SL... they are the Preditors.... Do Not confuse this!
Age verification should be free and does not place sensitive information into 3rd party hands inwhich SL can not be held accountable for what happens to that information...
If it is not free then its Extortion!!!
Potection Money by the Mafia style. PAY UP or SHUT DOWN Tactics.
The Truth is: after whatever they decide to do..... Underage will continue to find a way to lie cheat steal hack their way in.
this is just to ease the SL consious at the expense of their legal aged members.
IF YOU NEED AN EXTRA AGE VERIFICATION THEN SL SHOULD FOOT THAT BILL AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT INFORMATION!

I have given credit card details to Linden labs.

I own 8 island estate sims. I do not beleive some under 18 years old could afford to pay for them.

Not only Well I not give my passport and ID number to LL's 3rd party group. It is not legial in my country to do so.

LL is asking for big trouble if they put this verification in. They are asking for the Goverments of the countrys such as mine to get involved. I see this as the start of the End of SL.

unless the SL residents stand up to LL and put stop to this none sense and let Linden labs know we will not stand for this kind of crap anymore.


It is time to put an end to this none sense that LL has been tossing at us for the bast 5 months.

That's what we get for shipping the thing out to china for processing

Still, if they work off the electoral roll, I wont have any trouble at all verifying with someone elses data. No way in hell I'm giving them my real data.

those forum links are broken. i suspect you mean these:

http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?p=1500521#post1500521
/327/64/181977/4.html#post1500506
/142/c8/181801/7.html#post1500501

now go approve my mentor application for helping you out. j/k

There are a LOT of people here who aren't registered to vote. More than you think. You want to verify my age, fine. But my identity is of NO concern to anyone involved in SL. This is nothing but a two sided scheme in my opinion. I too don't believe the data will be destroyed, and will be usd at the very least for corporate marketing in world, and this is a case of LL wanting to bear absolutely NO risk in running the "Platform", but wishing to reap all the rewards.

Except Linden Lab. They have every right to know with whom they enter into a legal agreement. And that is what you have with LL: a legal agreement.

When we agree to pay using a credit card in my opinion that is verification enough. For many of us even doing that was one heck of a leap.

The company that will gather our information is doing what the little survey boxes could not do, find out who, where and what we all actually are. And tie our real selves to our virtual selves, this is one arm of the morality police threating to destroy our world because some of THEIR sick puppies are hiding out here.

For years Second Life was a virtual world like every other, but now that some companies have dollar signs in their eyes and want to know what demographic they have here, they are hiding behind ADULT crap.

At this point I dont plan on providing one drop more of my real a** to cover my digital one,
If I am confined to PG areas, so be it. This is the reason why many of us are divesting,

If it helps, I do have an idea for verification-

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*For those who own land or have a premium account meaning you are tied to this place through a credit card, it is clear that you are an adult that can be held responsible for your own actions.

*For those who have basic accounts
-you can verify your account by providing a credit card number and when it is determined that the number is valid you will be _A validated Basic Member

Sexually explicit material can be flagged in the build menu, and those who are verified will be able to see the objects, those who are not verified as adults will not be able to see the objects at all
In essence you will be able to walk into a store that sells explicit materials, but the materials that have been checked as explicit will not appear on your viewer, just like we can turn off clouds and turn off the ground if we like. All objects that are SE [sexually explicit] will only be viewable by those who have chosen to verify if they choose to see it.

Land where sexually explicit material exists will appear blank and it would be nice if boinking avies would also be invisible, and when SE activities are over, the box can be unchecked and folks can go about as normal.

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It would help too if the people who fork over real bucks to play this game were asked for input before these edicts were thrown at us

I do understand that LL must address the issue of sick puppies coming into our world and threatening to make us all look like grossed out fweeks on the world stage, this all started when anybody and anything came in here looking to make money



whenever something is fun, sick folks always ruin it, this place was a lot better off when it was just us nerds

Greed does have a way of ruining a good thing.