Yay another do gooder out to save the world, God save us all from the do gooders.
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Cally Zabelin
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12-26-2007 16:45
LoL! Can I use this in my profile? |
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Bobo Decosta
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12-26-2007 16:52
Of course LL didn't make casino games. LL banned casinos because the UNITED STATES prohibits banks from transferring money to online gaming establishments. It had nothing to do with the games themselves or the machines or what have you. You need to read your back history on casinos in SL and the reason behind the ban. You obviously haven't done so, or you wouldn't be making all these silly claims. Pffff getting tired of this. The US gov has the same stance on piracy. Read my post on allofmp3 wich the US gov forced to be shut down. Same thing as intented with the casino ban all payments to allofmp3 were forced to shut down and allofmp3 didn't even had servers in the US. Credit card companies didn't accept any payments anymore for allofmp3 |
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Bobo Decosta
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12-26-2007 16:58
LoL! Can I use this in my profile? Could be copyrighted by him already, be careful  |
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Ordinal Malaprop
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12-26-2007 17:03
Pffff getting tired of this. The US gov has the same stance on piracy. Read my post on allofmp3 wich the US gov forced to be shut down. Same thing as intented with the casino ban all payments to allofmp3 were forced to shut down and allofmp3 didn't even had servers in the US. Credit card companies didn't accept any payments anymore for allofmp3 No it didn't. It didn't at all. The US government cannot force servers in other countries to be shut down, and allofmp3 exists with just a different domain name now. In fact I posted it earlier on. You can go there with your credit card and you will have no trouble at all. _____________________
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Bobo Decosta
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12-26-2007 17:05
No it didn't. It didn't at all. The US government cannot force servers in other countries to be shut down, and allofmp3 exists with just a different domain name now. In fact I posted it earlier on. You can go there with your credit card and you will have no trouble at all. Read the facts http://www.ustr.gov/assets/Document_Library/Fact_Sheets/2006/asset_upload_file151_9980.pdf |
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Ordinal Malaprop
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12-26-2007 17:06
A link to a PDF is not an argument.
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Bobo Decosta
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12-26-2007 17:09
A link to a PDF is not an argument. If you refuse to read it ill quote "The United States and Russia agreed on the objective of shutting down websites that permit illegal distribution of music and other copyright works. The agreement names the Russia-based website allofmp3.com as an example of such a website. " This is not my text it comes from the agreement between the us and russia |
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Ordinal Malaprop
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12-26-2007 17:12
And look! The site is up and running right this very moment! With a different URL!
The USG does not have powers to take down sites arbitrarily (except with Special Forces I suppose); they can make deals with various governments but, as is obvious, they don't mean a lot. _____________________
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Bobo Decosta
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12-26-2007 17:14
And look! The site is up and running right this very moment! With a different URL! The USG does not have powers to take down sites arbitrarily (except with Special Forces I suppose); they can make deals with various governments but, as is obvious, they don't mean a lot. And what exactly are we talking about again? LL is located where? djeeez |
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Chris Norse
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12-26-2007 17:16
Could be copyrighted by him already, be careful I for one don't support intellectual property. Thoughts and ideas are fair game for who ever wants to use them. Trying to claim words put together in a line is insane. _____________________
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Ordinal Malaprop
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12-26-2007 17:17
This is becoming far too abstract and vague.
There is no legal responsibility by LL for someone transferring money via their system for material that breaches copyright. If there is, please let me know, that would be something for consideration. Otherwise, if you've reported it, then all it is is an issue to do with response times, really, and as I say LL are generally pretty quick with DMCA response times. _____________________
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Ricardo Harris
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12-26-2007 17:22
If you are referring to the low quality 9.9 second clips strung together by a script with very noticeable gaps inbetween the clips, then no i'm not concerned at all. I much prefer to listen to my much higher quality collection of music on my computer. HAHAHA!!!! Another soul wants to save the world. The op wants to save the music industry from lil ole sl and it's "pirate" residents. Get a Life! |
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Bobo Decosta
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12-26-2007 17:28
HAHAHA!!!! Another soul wants to save the world. The op wants to save the music industry from lil ole sl and it's "pirate" residents. Get a Life! The music industry must save it self. I only act on behalf of my own business |
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Maggie McArdle
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12-26-2007 17:55
The music industry must save it self. I only act on behalf of my own business no you act on behalf of your own profits from the sound of it. as was stated clearly, if its directly affecting you, then file the necessary paperwork. i have yet to see a clear and supported bit of proof in your argument. you originally posted this: As a legal online music store in real world and on second life I find it very disturbing to see that a lot of pirates are opening music shops in second life that distribute music wich they don't own the rights to. What are the lindens going to do about this as illegal downloads is a big issue in the USA? when i asked for some sort of proof or a landmark to said vendor(s), you posted this as a reply: I will only provide you a landmark for one of the shops I have talked to and wich the owner of it has taken the music offline as he is now trying to get he proper liscences and paperwork http://slurl.com/secondlife/Portugal/205/58/28 Do note that this person doesn't want to do illegal practices so do not harras this person I don't want to be like the RIAA because i know from experience the music industry is very hard to understand and a lot of paperwork needs to be done to be legal, wich I guess most people or not aware about which of your points are we not understanding?  _____________________
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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12-26-2007 18:09
Wouldn't www.shareaza.sourceforge.net, the Opera browser with it's built-in BitTorrent client, www.limewire.com, soulseek's slsknet.org, www.emule-project.net, and many other sites be like to be better places to get files, for free, than SL?
www.slyck.com would be likely to have news about other places that would be more likely to be hotbeds of filesharing than SL, I would think. _____________________
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Bobo Decosta
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12-26-2007 18:23
no you act on behalf of your own profits from the sound of it. as was stated clearly, if its directly affecting you, then file the necessary paperwork. i have yet to see a clear and supported bit of proof in your argument. you originally posted this: when i asked for some sort of proof or a landmark to said vendor(s), you posted this as a reply: which of your points are we not understanding? I filed the proper paperwork and put an extra complaint here and if you would have went to slurl you would have found these vendors? what is the matter with you? |
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Bobo Decosta
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12-26-2007 18:25
Wouldn't www.shareaza.sourceforge.net, the Opera browser with it's built-in BitTorrent client, www.limewire.com, soulseek's slsknet.org, www.emule-project.net, and many other sites be like to be better places to get files, for free, than SL? www.slyck.com would be likely to have news about other places that would be more likely to be hotbeds of filesharing than SL, I would think. Again i'm not talking about music for free I'm talking about selling music ! |
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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12-26-2007 19:13
Yes, but what is the question you want answered about how to use Second Life?
This isn't a debate forum, it's a support forum to help people who need answers with problems they have about second life. If you want to discuss the legality or morality of something, the discussion doesn't belong here. There are many resident run sites that are desperate for juicy controversial discussions. If you actually want to know what the Linden staff are up to you might try contacting a Linden staff member. I believe there are inworld meeting invoving the Governance staff people. _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
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12-26-2007 19:26
I for one don't support intellectual property. Thoughts and ideas are fair game for who ever wants to use them. Trying to claim words put together in a line is insane. Golly! Just reading sporadically here and there, including sporadically in this thread - and it's kind of hard to believe, that you think this. This would put all writers out of business! For starters! And you would never know who had really said what, or thought up what! Everything anyone ever thought, said, wrote, designed, you name it, would be "fair game." No one could ever make a living unless they were, like, you know, plumbers or doctors! In other words providing a service or skill someone else CAN'T simply take. But a design for a new gadget? A short story? A poem? Fair game! etc. coco _____________________
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Bobo Decosta
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12-26-2007 20:14
Yes, but what is the question you want answered about how to use Second Life? This isn't a debate forum, it's a support forum to help people who need answers with problems they have about second life. If you want to discuss the legality or morality of something, the discussion doesn't belong here. There are many resident run sites that are desperate for juicy controversial discussions. If you actually want to know what the Linden staff are up to you might try contacting a Linden staff member. I believe there are inworld meeting invoving the Governance staff people. The question is how do i protect myself against piracy. Do I have to hop from sim to sim or will the lindens actively search for this kind of piracy just like they do with casino's for example. That the topic ends in a stupid debate about the music industry was not my goal. So far i got only one reply that showed an intelligent reader wich raised the question if it is copyright protection or tendering. But people read music and piracy and start getting all upset what really surprises me as second life and it contents are a very good example of how DRM is used by download programs as iTunes for example. So i could also turn the conversation into "why aren't all objects in second life free. Just like music most of the objects are just copies of the original so no harm done by ripping them, no one get hurts, business owners earn too much and most products just suck" edit : to prevent even more stupied replies I do not feel that all objects should be free but it's stupid to use second life and love it while second life has copyright protection written all over it's inworld content and starting to complain that the music industry uses the same model. |
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i7o Zhu
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12-26-2007 20:42
Yes, but what is the question you want answered about how to use Second Life? Thank you SuezanneC in offering your help to answer questions regarding Second Life use. How can i easily track down music for sale, if sellers avoid appearing in the search engine results and only promote their music for sale via group postings or ims to friendlists ? Knowing there is a group limit and i can´t possibly belong to all groups, neither can i possibly explore every sim on the grid. How can i protect my land media urls so that they stay invisible to people who activate admin options in the debug menu ? Thank you very much for your help. Best regards, i7o |
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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12-26-2007 22:12
"The question is how do i protect myself against piracy."
You didn't ask that question in the initial post. You made a sensationalist headline about Second Life becoming the new haven for music piracy. The question in the initial post was at the end of the post: "What are the lindens going to do about this as illegal downloads is a big issue in the USA?" People didn't take your bait so you started insulting them. I don't what the Lindens are going to do, they don't consult me about their plans very often. If I personally wanted to know the answer to that question, I'd send an email to one of the Linden staff that have answered my emailed questions before. If I wanted to make this attempt public I'd post it in my Letters to Linden Lab blog and send it it to a few Linden staff members explaining that the answer would be published and see what happens. I've done that twice, and got answers both times. There are inworld meetings with the Governance team. See http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Office_Hours/GTeam for that info. If they aren't the right folks to direct your question to perhaps they can head you in the right direction. The corporate General Counsel is Marty Roberts, who incidentally looks like this:  There's a Marty Linden that started 8-6-2007, so that's probably him, so I'd send a notecard with my question to Marty Linden, and send an IM, and send an email to [email]Marty@lindenlab.com[/email] if I wanted to see if he had any recommendations or info on the subject of your concern. _____________________
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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12-26-2007 22:51
Yes, but what is the question you want answered about how to use Second Life? Thank you SuezanneC in offering your help to answer questions regarding Second Life use. How can i easily track down music for sale, if sellers avoid appearing in the search engine results and only promote their music for sale via group postings or ims to friendlists ? Knowing there is a group limit and i can´t possibly belong to all groups, neither can i possibly explore every sim on the grid. How can i protect my land media urls so that they stay invisible to people who activate admin options in the debug menu ? Thank you very much for your help. Best regards, i7o I would suggest that you consider starting a new thread with your completely separate question rather than have it get lost in this rather sorry one. I suppose you could try amazon.com to find music for sale, they have a lot of it. Google or other search engines would probably return some results. iTunes has music for sale. I just read someone on Twitter talking about how wonderful the new Napster music site was for buying music at. When I want to pay for music in Second Life I pay to listen to live performers. I search for this by looking up live music in the events list and seeing if I find something worthwhile. I suppose if I wanted to buy mp3 or such from Second Life I could things like: Place an add in these forums in the Products Wanted. Bump the thread if posssible every day, if you can't reply in that forum I'd put a new ad every day. Place a classified ad that read "Music wanted - will pay for legal music, legal music owners only please contact ...." . I'd create an alt account and join the alt in 25 appropriate music groups. I've had to do that to join a group about artificial intelligence since I'm in 25 groups already. I'd make my forum signature read "Wanted: Music files from Second Life - legal files only, contact ..." Then I'd politely answer an easy question every single day, or more if possible. I'd create a blog, called "Wanted: Second Life Music files" and post reviews of music I'd bought through SL and liked. I'd buy a parcel of land in Second Life and name the parcel "Wanted: Second Life music " and create a cathedral dedicated to Second Life music files and hold regular events to spread the knowledge of my desire to buy music in Second Life to everyone that has a legal MP3 file to sell. I'd copy the posts from our products wanted forum and post them in SLUniverse and SLDrama and SLexchange and the Caledon forum and the NCI forum and other such places. Land media urls are visible to everyone, you don't have to turn on admin options. Just turn on the Debug Console and it shows you the url. I imagine a program like ethereal would reveal it too. You can read you secondlife.log file I'd wear a titler that adds the words "Wanted: Legal MP3's to buy" to my avatar. Putting ' "Second Life" buy mp3' into google yielded this link http://secondlife.com/community/resident_resource.php?category=3 which lists an outfit called
I don't know why but I have the feeling your question is not entirely sincere. _____________________
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i7o Zhu
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12-27-2007 03:05
Thank you SuezanneC for you swift and lengthy answer.
If i understand your answers to both my questions, the answers are. There is no easy way to track music files for sale in Second Life. And there is no way to protect land media urls. I do sincerly believe that these are issues that could be looked at. Best regards, i7o |
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Strauss Ulderport
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12-27-2007 06:03
can you read? Like I said i have a real life online music store wich sells music for real dollars and yes i found one of my artist that was sold here in sl by someone who does not have the rights to sell it. As i talked to the owner i understood he didn't know at all that you cant just start a music store by ripping a cd and sell it. To get my bussines up I had to work a whole year to get all papers done, get barcodes, get isrc codes, contact authorities, do accountancy and all that. This costs a lot of time and money. I just want to start this discussion before the RIAA gets involved in to this. I'm not a fan of RIAA so you need to take the discussion out before they take over! It's just the same as you making clothes inworld and me just using that copy thing to just copy it and sell it myself. So i am loosing real money here and not me alone, my artist as well wich whom i signed contract with stating that I have to take action if sold by anyone else Me short sighted? I'm not the one who needs glasses I mentioned the copyright infrigement already in this thread. Maybe you should not try to boost your ego so much! My ego? I am not the one running aroung crying like a baby. And you think SL is the medium to distrubite music? I think you need to stick with business models that are known ro work. If you going to try a virgin model such as SL then expect a lot of hiccups along the way. Bottom line is LL has FAR more pressing issues then spending zots to make sure your no name artist has 100% music security rights. Sell his music on a SSL, RIAA approved webpage and call it a day. _____________________
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