Second Life the new haven for music piracy?

Well you trolling around in a thread you think shouldn't exist shows the opposite. if you would like to burry this thread it's not such a good strategy to bump it up with replies.

Just for the note:

Radiohead is selling his last album online in his official website. They earn much money with this only record than with the past three.

Label Records takes a lot of money from artists much more than a "pirate" guy selling records.

and music that would be heard by perhaps a lot of folks...maybe even a key funding source will hear it by accident... generating money and popularity for the writers and musicians, more music, a career even.. a future... what happens when you bring down the shutters and hide that music away... ?

1)you keep the copyright secure...
2) no one hears your music... unless you spend a lot of time and money pushing it, trying to find an opening that will give you as much public awareness as folks themselves do, just by passing stuff around.
3 with little public awareness., your music stays hidden.. perhaps like has happened to many great artists, you die, before the world really recognises your art.. Eva Cassidy springs to mind as an example, not because she hid her art.. but because it never reached folks.

look but dont touch.. ok.. sure.. but excuse me if i say.. next please, and ignore you now, not because i dont respect you, or your rights.. but there are a lot of fish in the sea..swimming the same route your on..and ive only one life... one time...


somehow your music has reached the web.. how that happened has some original source with you.
dont cry spilt milk..be more carefull, if thats your choice.

To be sure i am not directing this at any one person.. "you" and "your" is my generalisation.. i could say "one" or similar.. i have no bias against the OP or copyright law..and no favouritism either.
When Sony tried to affect the way folks used CD recordings, i, like many, dropped Sony gear like it was a hot stone.. (and if SL came down hard on music the same way.. music would die in SL)
I went back to using minidiscs.. recording from the radio..DAB or FM, i still do.. why? because i press the record button.. it records, end of story., i could barter that minidisc with a friend..maybe i could even sell it.. to a mate or swap it..(ok, thats an extreme unlikely example) i`m not going to phone up the copyright owner... or the law and tell them money changed hands one night in the bar, with the landlord and five of my mates together, sorry..

I must be horribly old fashioned. I buy all my music in CD form, from either brick and mortar stores or online sources. At least I can smugly know I am not doing anything illegal. And count me among those who think most new music is rubbish. I have about 500 CD's and I'd say 450 of them are from 2000 or earlier. But I agree with all that the OP is just playing notes but saying nothing.

I think you didn't read the thread. We are not even discussing music for free! Money gets charged for these illegal downloads. So whom ever paid this got ripped of as well. This is a whole other discussion than how artists get noticed and the whole music should be free and other blah blah. This discussion is about people making a fast buck

And as a matter of fact in this case my artist doesn't even get any credit as his tracks where sold as a dj mix. So whom ever bought it didn't even get to know the artist who made the tracks but as a product of the guy that mixed it.

Somehow my music has reached the web? Offcourse it does! It's not illegal to rip cd's it's illegal to resell them.

Lol if you would really know what you where talking about you would know that the download of radiohead didn't sell well either.

You don't know wich percentage I give to my artists so don't assume things. My artists are paid very well on each track or album they sell. And how can an artist earn more on pirated sale where all profits go to the person who ripped it.

Very clearly a lot of people in this discussion just want to troll around and say things that just don't make sense!

1.show me the line in my post that says "the music should be free"

2.This discussion is about people making a fast buck

"I went back to using minidiscs.. recording from the radio..DAB or FM, i still do.. why? because i press the record button.. it records, end of story., i could barter that minidisc with a friend..maybe i could even sell it.. to a mate or swap it..(ok, thats an extreme unlikely example) i`m not going to phone up the copyright owner... or the law and tell them money changed hands one night in the bar, with the landlord and five of my mates together, sorry.."

and that isnt?

"And as a matter of fact in this case my artist doesn't even get any credit as his tracks where sold as a dj mix. So whom ever bought it didn't even get to know the artist who made the tracks but as a product of the guy that mixed it."

i reaffirm...somehow your music has reached the web.. how that happened has some original source with you.
dont cry spilt milk..be more carefull, if thats your choice.


who isnt reading the posts?

Let me reply in the same sense you do

1. Show me the line where i pointed you as the source of saying music should be free

2. When you hit record you don't sell pirated music

3. why even respond to it as everybody can buy these tracks in real stores as online. This not gives the person the right to sell copies of it.

I reaffirm you are not reading the post!

The law is very clear on it so don't try to bent the law

im with brenda, the vast majority of my music comes from BMG with side trips to my local music shop. im faling to see how substantiating your original accusation with solid proof is missing the point. if you cannot prove beyond a doubt that there is something truly illegal happening WITHIN SL, then you really should stop posting threads like these.

What is the matter with you people. Selling music without owning the rights is illegal. As I already showed with a clear link to such a place this practices happen on sl you still refuse to see what is going on.

Oh whatever what do I care whatever will happen to sl. I tried, I failed. Let's just wait till it becomes an issue for the big companies.

You don't appear to have tried at all, unless you've been remarkably silent about doing anything about this apart from bitching about it uselessly on the forums to a group of people who have no influence on the matter one way or the other.

Yeah let's reinstate copybot

Pardon?

What have you _done_?

What have I done? I talked to the guy who sold the music wich took the music offline. I could have sued if i wanted too but yeah i'm only here for greed and trolling and bitching

READ!!!!!!!

Unless someone is directly infringing on YOUR material, there is really very little LL is obligated to do. Your own example of EBay is very much the same; When I used to take part in eBay selling my own artwork, it was an uphill battle getting them to police sellers who were illegally selling artwork. They claimed the owner of the actual copyright needed to file the complaint. That is standard practice and very much the same with LL.

I applaud you for being vigilant against people who are participating in illegal activities against your products, but really SL and LL have no greater involvement than being a medium for such transactions, and such transactions should be seen as being no different than eBay.

Complaining about this here is fairly useless. If you really want to make a difference, then file a DMCA report against parties who are infringing on your products. If it is someone else's product, do the right thing and let them know about the infringement - and let them do as they see fit.

I have a feeling many people are feeling very dubious about your comments thus far because, as a business owner, you are reacting adversely in a knee jerk fashion to those who pirate music. What I do find sad is that many people react poorly to this, and as a result probably are being left with a poor impression of your company first and foremost, without even really getting to the groups or individuals whom you supposedly represent and promote.

I don't mean to cast judgement here, but it does seem to me that your efforts to protect your business (as oppose to help it flourish) are occupying you more than they ought to. *shrugs*

This isn't a general discussion forum, it's for questions about how to use Second Life.

If you have a feature suggestion, you can make it in the jira, and the feature suggestion forum.

If you have a question to present to Linden Lab at some potential townhall meeting, there is a townhall forum.

If you want to file an abuse report, you can use the inworld abuse reporter.

If you want to file a DMCA notice, you need to be the copyright holder. There's a link to the instructions at the bottom of secondlife.com.

If you want to have a discussion about the goodness or badness of copyright laws this isn't the place to do so. The are many forums such as SLExchance, SLUniverse, SLDrama, alt.flames, etc. where one can have a discussion.

Your original post asks what LL is going to do about something you perceive as a problem. We aren't LL, we're the users. We don't know what LL is up to.

Bobo, the point is that Linden Lab is completely blameless here. I don't care who or what sells what or how; that music is NOT being supplied by Linden Lab or any of its affiliates. That music is being supplied by an outside source. Linden Lab is NOT responsible for the content of outside sources. Period. I don't care whose laws you're talking about.

No, never mind your imaginary friend. You turn up here bitching about how Linden Labs should do something and how they're breaking the law; what have you done on that basis? Because, you know, one wouldn't want to let them off the hook, would one? So I assume you've reported the issue and filed DMCA reports so as to make it obvious to any judge looking at the situation afterwards that LL had been fully informed and had no excuse for the, er, not-a-crime of allowing people to link to copyrighted material.

You did do that, yes?

Offcourse i did that! But my experience with LL is that i won't have any answer soon

Wait a minute.. are you the copyright holder of the music in question? You say you /sell/ music (and something about one of your artists, though the relationship between you and the artist is unclear), but not that you recorded music or created it. You say you legally sell it... which I assume to mean that you did file the correct paperwork to be allowed the limited license to distribute the music as a product.

Unless you are the owner of the copyright, suing anyone over the sale of the song, illegal or otherwise, would be considered unwise. Nor can you file a DMCA take down notice, unless you can prove that you own the copyright.

Sure, you did what you felt was right. You spoke to the person, explained things to them and they took the stuff down of their own choice. Kudos in the education department.

As for your copy-bot crack? We OWN the copyrights to our work, thus we have the rights to sue, file DMCAs and all that jazz. And for your information, it hasn't gone away either. We've been discussing it off and on for a while now.. just without all the flames.

Gah, this thread has become muddied past reading. I don't know whether it's really about copyright protection (which is what music piracy comes under) or whether L is considered legal tender (which it's not) or what?

I think that this sounds very strange as items reproduced with copybot are also not supplied by LL or any of it affiliates. Same with casino's, games are not supplied by LL or any of it's affiliates. As the vendors charge and supply links inworld your claim does not really convince me.

Good. You won't have an answer because they don't send answers. They are, though, generally very quick regarding DMCA notices.

LL is not liable for copyright infringed by the use of copybot etc; well, it is not at all legally sound that it would be, and nobody has tried.

Of course LL didn't make casino games. LL banned casinos because the UNITED STATES prohibits banks from transferring money to online gaming establishments. It had nothing to do with the games themselves or the machines or what have you. You need to read your back history on casinos in SL and the reason behind the ban. You obviously haven't done so, or you wouldn't be making all these silly claims.

To sell music I need the rights I can't sell without (well i could but that's just piracy My paperwork is done as publisher and record company so yes I could sue and all that stuff. (wich is not really my intend)

Kudos for doing the effort to actually read this thread as you are the only one that makes a very interesting point. Is it copyright protection or is L considered legal tender. I am not very sure about that.