Second Life the new haven for music piracy?

And eBay would do nothing about it because eBay has no responsibility for your transaction. It's up to you to verify the legitimacy of the product.

That is not correct because this money is illegally obtained. Don't know what is done in the USA but in my EU country banks need to report such transactions. Cocaine money is what we call here "black money" Drug dealers using cheques are very stupid

have you ever sold something on eBay?

a transaction can take place anywhere..i can say meet me here and pay me this much and i will do the job for you..i can exchange money or they can with me..we could be overheard by the police about talking about robbing a bank and they still cannot do anything until the actual bank was robbed..

no crime is commited until there is a crime.clicking the download button would be the crime..if there is a direct link posted in sl and not in an im or general chat then LL would be held as part of the reason that crime was commited..a solid place to get a link to this download.
otherwise it's just talking about a deal and handing money over with no content..
you can bust the dealer and the buyer but you can't bust a resturant if they use it to make the deal while hidding in a stall..

now if the resturant owner knows about it then he is an accessory to the crime and would be just as guilty as the others involved..
if there are rules put up by LL about this it even ferthers them from being a part of a sneaky deal going on..

And...?

Thats the RIAA's issue not your's unless your one of those playing 'SL police' aka I need to AR and turn in as many people as I can for every infraction I see!

And by bringing attention to the topic and possibly put it on the RIAA's radar you are NOT hurting this indiviual people but SL and LL. As they are the ones who will be hit with the legal complaint. And ALL of us will end up, frankly, screwed, because some ppl have to go running around making noise because they need a ego boost or have too much free time on their hands.

In other words, you are not being harmed, let those that are handle it. So drop it.

Actually, LL is more like paypal - the commerce exchange. The music files are coming from an outside URL - THAT'S the platform, not SL.

So as you describe it it is a crime! Because the vendor just works like you described. You click a download button wich gives you the download link. No im, nc or chat is used. You pay and immediately get an automated link. There is totally no talking involved. pay to get the link in a blue menu pop up.

Well, if you're asking whether SL is becoming a haven of music piracy, the answer I think is "no"; there's not a lot of it at all, I've only seen this post with relation to it, though it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was used as a payment mechanism. To be honest if I wanted to pay people money for music not going through the US licence holders I'd just go to musicmp3.ru or something; in practice I wouldn't want to pay anybody anyway, so I would just use Soulseek. Actual paid music piracy is limited even on the broader net.

Linking to pirated music is not illegal - even the US hasn't gone that far yet as far as I'm aware. And even if it was, LL would not be the ones linking to it, unless they've introduced a new "get free music!" section which I was not aware of.

If you are really concerned about music piracy that is literally taking place outside of SL. Then send a tip to the RIAA and let them deal with it. The most they will do with LL is demand to know the RL identity of the avatar providing the link to the external non-LL hosted server.

As a matter of fact, I sold all of my old law school text books on eBay. When I got ripped off by someone bouncing a check, it was between me and the person who bounced the check. eBay wasn't responsible. I stopped accepting checks.



Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is correct, although I agree that a drug dealer using checks would be pretty stupid. I just used that for the analogy. You could actually go up to a teller and have them electronically transfer the money from your bank account to the drug dealer's bank account, then walk out into the parking lot with the dealer and have him shovel a bale of marijuana into your trunk, and the bank would not have liability for the transfer. Of course, the police could sieze the funds in the accounts, arrest you and the dealer, and if the bank was facilitating the transfer by letting you use it's parking lot, then potentially there could be an issue, but even there, I doubt it. It's not how the money was obtained that's the issue. The transaction is legal, even if it's for illegal purposes.

In this case, your target isn't LL. All LL did was allow the exchange of Lindens. Your target is the individual selling the music and the owner and operator of the website facilitating the download.

remember that they also need to know about it..if i own a place and am aware of what is going on and don't do anything to stop it then i am an accessory to the crime..right?
if there is a rule in sl that this is not allowed then how can LL be responsible..it's a big world that relys on it's users to communicate with the government..
how are the police aware a bank is being robbed..an alarm..if you have seen this and have done nothing about it are you a part of the solution?
or are you an accessory?
the law would say you are an accessory at this point..you know more than LL does about it unless you informed them of it already..


(Edit) i forgot to the quote i was responding to

You don't really get the subject I suppose. I am reacting because I was being harmed. One of my artists was found in these vendors wich hurts my business. I talked to the owner and we could settle but i'm not going to go on search hunt all over SL for this. If LL can take action on casino's they can as well on pirated music and you want to keep me quiet aal over this shows the RIAA could act wich means illegal practice is taking place and you just want to burry it.

Talking about it here can prevent SL being hurt!

Yay another do gooder out to save the world, God save us all from the do gooders.

So AR it, and file a DMCA report on behalf of the artist. It'll get taken down, and I bet LL will pay attention to the resultant av's "business", because they really won't want to get involved with people selling copies of copyrighted music through their system, either legally or ethically.

Lindens read this forum about once a year though so posting here isn't going to do anything. And no, they are not legally responsible for said breach of copyright.

Well I guess this must be correct for where you live, but it isn't for where I live. Overhere banks need to report every suspicious transaction. That's a bit the problem with SL. It's a international community with a lot of people residing under different laws.

If the music stores i'm talking about where in antigua I should shut up as the WTO grants this county the right to infringe on copyright

I have a music store myself, i'm talking on my behalf not as do gooder. I'm just reacting to the fact that keeping it quiet does more harm than good. eventually this would surface.

The truth is that we don't really care honestly.

I don't see a problem in the internationality of , SL it's more a strength, less control.

Do i have to care that you don't care? This is a community and some people do care!

What business is this, do you sell for $ or L this music the other peep was selling? If so (Thus the 'pirate' was literally taking food off your table) then I agree you have a valid complaint. If not then its whining for little more then a bruised ego at worst. IMO should be addressed between you and he, the entire forum does need to be involved.

Yes I want to bury it unless you are literally loosing REAL money. Its a waste of everyone time otherwise. And if you think bringing the RIAA down onto SL and LL is a good thing you are VERY VERY mistaken. The way the court rulings have fallen (most in RIAA's favor) SL could, in all reality, be shut down/suspended until LL can satify the courts/RIAA they have a process in place to prevent such. You know how long that will take? And what other content could be prevented when they finally do get some system in place? That risk is a 'good' thing in your eyes?

You are indeed VERY short sighted.

Oh, so you are motivated by pure greed? The RIAA is a dinosaur and the sooner it dies a horrible death the better off we as humans will be.

If it's one of your artists, then why the heck don't you file a DMCA with Linden Labs against the perp and also file one with the hosting company of the website, maybe see what happens?

DMCA is the tool by which copyright holders can dispute the distribution of things via an internet provider. The provider has to take the copyrighted material down until either a) the situation is resolved in the defendant's favor or b) don't put it up, because the defendant is indeed in violation of the copyright. Guess what? Providers HAVE to respond to one, but make absolutely sure that you are the copyright holder.

Stop.
End of discussion
Please see any of 10,000 lawsuits, letters, and or other forms of leagle actions regarding electrictronic copyright infriengment.

Once you learn the difference between "knowleged of where files exist" and "copying or allowing to be copied with the intent to diseminate" please try again.


If you believe the store this is a front for illegel practices, then there are correct communication channels to follow that will have much better results than flames and wild acccusations on an open web page. LLab is not responsible for acts it is unaware of. LLab is not responsible for electronic data it has no control of.

And finally, if you can not prove they are selling pirated copies, you are guilty of slander. How do you know they are not buying compolations in bulk, breaking them up into seperate individual songs and reselling them? It happens all the time and is the standard practice for "adult " web sites. In other words, you accusations on an open forum like this is likely to come back and bite you.

If, on the other hand, you were to use the correct feed back channels so the specific people involved could be checked out, you would not leave yourself open to lawsuits.

But if your ultimate goal is to spread the idea of how to sell pirated music to as many people who would do anything for another 10 L$, please continue to rant. You may want to repeate this rant on other forums and bump them as they fall off of the first page.

Bobo, I would really like to know who "your artists" are. That way, I can be sure to avoid buying any of their songs.

When it comes to trolls, you are one of the best. This inane, pigheadded dogmatic arguing over flawed logic and false assumptions can only come from deliberate intent to incite a response or arrogant stupidity.

No wonder the profit whole gets deeper for them. I don't even listen to new music, so no new artist get my money. If they focused more on releasing GOOD music and less on music piracy, maybe those profits will go back up. Future "classic" CDs are endangered species.

can you read? Like I said i have a real life online music store wich sells music for real dollars and yes i found one of my artist that was sold here in sl by someone who does not have the rights to sell it. As i talked to the owner i understood he didn't know at all that you cant just start a music store by ripping a cd and sell it. To get my bussines up I had to work a whole year to get all papers done, get barcodes, get isrc codes, contact authorities, do accountancy and all that. This costs a lot of time and money.

I just want to start this discussion before the RIAA gets involved in to this. I'm not a fan of RIAA so you need to take the discussion out before they take over!

It's just the same as you making clothes inworld and me just using that copy thing to just copy it and sell it myself.

So i am loosing real money here and not me alone, my artist as well wich whom i signed contract with stating that I have to take action if sold by anyone else

Me short sighted? I'm not the one who needs glasses I mentioned the copyright infrigement already in this thread. Maybe you should not try to boost your ego so much!