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Buyer Beware!!!!

Alliez Mysterio
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11-14-2005 20:37
I just received an IM concerning land being offered for sale. I went to look at the land and found out it is in a private estate and the 1/2 a sim, cant in fact be sold, as those of us who own private estates know. I tried to explain this to the person and I was ejected from the land. The bidding was to start at 27K for 1/2 a sim. This person did not want to hear that estate land could not be sold and I can only assume that is why I was ejected.

To anyone looking to buy land you cant infact buy land in a private estate. This land can be reclaimed from you at any time.

BUYER BEWARE!!!!
blaze Spinnaker
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11-14-2005 23:44
Buyer beware - Alliez is bad mouthing a competitor rather than providing a superior service.

I can't say enough about what a character flaw this is.

And yes, the land can be sold. FYI, LindenLab can reclaim land away from you at any point as well.
Hiro Queso
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11-15-2005 05:32
From: blaze Spinnaker
Buyer beware - Alliez is bad mouthing a competitor rather than providing a superior service.

I can't say enough about what a character flaw this is.

And yes, the land can be sold. FYI, LindenLab can reclaim land away from you at any point as well.

Alliez is trying to make sure no one gets deceived. What's your beef with her Blaze?
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Alexa Hope
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11-15-2005 07:04
Blaze

You have no idea what you are talking about. I don't know Alliez personally but I do know that she doesn't deserve your nasty words.

Alexa
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-15-2005 07:09
From: Hiro Queso
Alliez is trying to make sure no one gets deceived. What's your beef with her Blaze?


Well, I'm just making sure no one listens to her.

People sell land on islands. Alliez knows this full well but yet felt the need to contradict this fact.
Hiro Queso
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11-15-2005 07:12
From: blaze Spinnaker
Well, I'm just making sure no one listens to her.

People sell land on islands. Alliez knows this full well but yet felt the need to contradict this fact.

You go ahead and make sure no one listens to her Blaze. She is not questioning that it happens, she is fully aware of that lol, she is pointing out its not a land sale. Something that your opinion on seems to change with your mood.
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-15-2005 07:13
If someone was defrauding someone else, then sure, feel free to warn. Make sure you don't purchase goods unless you understand clearly what you are getting.

Just like people shouldn't buy land from LindenLab without knowing that anyone can set up shop next door, that if you're late on a tier payment they can reclaim the land, that your data isn't backed up and can vanish off their servers, etc etc.
blaze Spinnaker
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11-15-2005 07:16
From: Hiro Queso
You go ahead and make sure no one listens to her Blaze. She is not questioning that it happens, she is fully aware of that lol, she is pointing out its not a land sale. Something that your opinion on seems to change with your mood.


My opinion is that leasing will be the answer to all our prayers when it is implimented.

Until then, let's play fair and stop undermining our competitors.

Alliez should not be talking like this when she knows her main competitors sell land and she rents them.

That would be like a land seller posting how you shouldn't "rent land you'll just get cheated because I know renting land can't be done properly because LSL doesn't support it!!"

It's just a deep character flaw when you resort to fear uncertainty and doubt in order to compete.

And maybe she isn't purposely trying to generate FUD, maybe she really is just trying to warn people, but come on - she should know better when her business is all about land renting not to be talking like this.
Hiro Queso
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11-15-2005 07:21
From: blaze Spinnaker
My opinion is that leasing will be the answer to all our prayers when it is implimented.

Until then, let's play fair and stop undermining our competitors.

Alliez should not be talking like this when she knows her main competitors sell land and she rents them.

That would be like a land seller posting how you shouldn't "rent land you'll just get cheated because I know renting land can't be done properly because LSL doesn't support it!!"

It's just a deep character flaw when you resort to fear uncertainty and doubt in order to compete.

And maybe she isn't purposely trying to generate FUD, maybe she really is just trying to warn people, but come on - she should know better when her business is all about land renting not to be talking like this.

You know the answers to this post Blaze, they're pretty straight forward, and you're not stupid. I can only conclude you're in an antagonistic mood.
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Tony Beckett
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11-15-2005 07:35
blaze we have yet to meet in world - I am looking forward to our first meeting =]
blaze Spinnaker
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11-15-2005 07:41
Playing the devils advocate is one thing, saying these things when it helps you over direct competition is a completely different issue.
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11-15-2005 07:43
From: blaze Spinnaker
Playing the devils advocate is one thing, saying these things when it helps you over direct competition is a completely different issue.

First of all it's not about getting an advantage, its about leveling the field. Second of all, does that mean that someone who has a vested interest in any area of SL is not permitted to speak up about it?
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Tony Beckett
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11-15-2005 07:48
do I understand your position that If i see someone being misled in land purchases I should remain mute because I deal in land?
blaze Spinnaker
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11-15-2005 07:51
Well, you shouldn't equivocate when it's about your competition.

That's just bad cricket man. If that's what you need to do in order to win, then you're going to find life pretty tough sloggin'.

If you want to warn people that they can't list their land in the land sales dialog after they have bought it - by all means. Maybe you might want to be fair though and let them know they can still list it in the Shopping category under classifieds, they can list it on SLExchange, and in the find search.
Alliez Mysterio
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11-15-2005 07:53
From: blaze Spinnaker
Buyer beware - Alliez is bad mouthing a competitor rather than providing a superior service.

I can't say enough about what a character flaw this is.


And yes, the land can be sold. FYI, LindenLab can reclaim land away from you at any point as well.


Estate land can not be sold. And of c ourse LL can reclaim land if not paid for. I would like to see it in writing that a private estate can be split up and sold. Please provide me with this information. I would appreciate it as would many others.

Our service speaks for itself. I have no reason to defend myself and will not ~

Oh my did you get up on wrong side of the bed this morning???Tsk, tsk, tsk,

Now to make a few things crystal clear. This is a new person who is doing this, not a competitor to us at all. Whatever made you think I would bad mouth anyone? Not my style and I sugguest to you if you have a problem its your problem and not mine!


How dare you assume anything about me?
blaze Spinnaker
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11-15-2005 07:53
You may also want to advise them to use PayPal so they can get their money back if things go awry.
Jauani Wu
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11-15-2005 08:04
wow talk about a new low for alliez and for hiro. i'm really disappointed with such slimeball business tactics.
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Tony Beckett
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11-15-2005 08:06
So if I am following you - the correct procedure that I should follow when I see someone misleading others - after trying to advise that person (having been dealing in land for over a year) that what they are doing is against Linden Labs stated positions is:

To list thier Private Estate land for sale under a different category (to loop-hole Linden Labs intent)?


From: someone
You may also want to advise them to use PayPal so they can get their money back if things go awry.

Services category sales are not covered by Paypal Buyer Protection
Hiro Queso
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11-15-2005 08:10
From: Jauani Wu
wow talk about a new low for alliez and for hiro. i'm really disappointed with such slimeball business tactics.

Wow your slow. I thought anshe's mate would have been here long before this.
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Alliez Mysterio
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11-15-2005 08:10
From: Jauani Wu
wow talk about a new low for alliez and for hiro. i'm really disappointed with such slimeball business tactics.



Please explain yourself, I would be interested in knowing what I did for one. A person cant sell parts of a private estate. Anyone who owns an estate knows that, or they should. This person I speak of is not a land barron but someone new to this .

That is all, now tell me what I did wrong or shut your mouth.
Hiro Queso
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11-15-2005 08:12
From: Jauani Wu
wow talk about a new low for alliez and for hiro. i'm really disappointed with such slimeball business tactics.

No Hiro and Alliez are just opposed to slimeball tactics. I'm surprised it took you so long to enter the convo tho tbh.
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Jauani Wu
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11-15-2005 08:13
what you did wrong is posted your post. you clearly have no idea of the subjective nature of propriety and ownership.

readers beware! alliez has no idea wtf she is talking about.
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Alliez Mysterio
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11-15-2005 08:13
From: Jauani Wu
wow talk about a new low for alliez and for hiro. i'm really disappointed with such slimeball business tactics.


Is this Anshes mate??? Oh my, did they think I was speaking about her? Just for the record. I was not :) Im sure Anshe knows you cant sell island in private estates. As I have stated this is a new person
Jauani Wu
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11-15-2005 08:15
From: Hiro Queso
No Hiro and Alliez are just opposed to slimeball tactics. I'm surprised it took you so long to enter the convo tho tbh.


i would rather stay out of it. it's a futile war over the definition of words between parties which are completely biased by personal interests.

i just don't understand why people can't just be good business people rather than these dirty tricks.

ZOMG ASPARTAME CAUSES CANCER!
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Alliez Mysterio
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11-15-2005 08:15
From: Jauani Wu
what you did wrong is posted your post. you clearly have no idea of the subjective nature of propriety and ownership.

readers beware! alliez has no idea wtf she is talking about.


Why dont you tell me all ab out it. Id love to hear it as would many others. I clearly have no idea? How smart you have to be a total know it all
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