Economy Announcement: Removal of Traffic Incentives
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Fade Languish
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04-18-2006 23:32
From: Wayfinder Wishbringer As a friend of mine said the other day, "I don't know why they call it common sense... since it seems to be so rare". Funny thing about sentences that begin in "It's just common sense...", frequently they end with something that makes no sense at all. So while the thought may be common, it certainly isn't sense. Reason does seem to be a scarce commodity.
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cinda Hoodoo
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Lol
04-19-2006 01:25
From: Michael Seraph Just another step in the evolution of SL from a social space to an economic one. Can't wait to log in and see everyone working hard. Won't that be fun? Little avies busy making widgets to sell to other little avies to make enough money to pay their tier fees so they can go on making widgets to sell so they can make their tier fees.... Yah, sure sounds like fun to me.
Can't you just see the new SL logo? "Second Life, it's your Second Job!" Im afraid im not that talentd Michael, and may have to make mine on my back. (JKJKJK) lmao
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Ranma Tardis
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04-19-2006 04:11
From: Usagi Musashi Well Okinawa is the western world LOL its so americanized... min wage for food servers ranges from 800 yen to 1200yen per hour. But i bet withthe influx of western people in Okinawa those food server people do get and expect tips. EVEN in airports workers get tips motels exect tips......I know this because I deal with overseas clients when they arrive in japan.......Just to correctly add some remarks to this issue. Perhaps on a American base but not off base! Have you ever been to Okinawa?
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Ranma Tardis
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04-19-2006 04:12
From: Karsten Rutledge Except you live in Oklahoma now. Not tipping in most places in America is considered rude. So you're saying that just because you grew up in a place where tipping was considered rude, that's an excuse to deliberately do something you know is considered rude here? When in Rome... I still do not tip and really do not care. Of course I dont go out by myself so this custom gets done by someone in my group, just not me directly. However this is off subject. I do not see my habits changing from the change.
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Siggy Romulus
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04-19-2006 04:27
From: Ranma Tardis You are correct but you only need so many changes of clothing, etc. Then again I grew up on a island that was ravished by war and the standard of living was not up to lofty western standards. The Americans tried to do a good job but their budget was always small. Also being the 3rd daughter does not help! I am happy with just a few nice things, dont need to keep up with the Jones. My outlook on life is to do what makes me and my family happy and not to impress others with my wealth! Being happy does not come from aquiring things either here in SL or in RL. Being happy comes from within ourselves  Your life history - though quaint, has fuck all to do with your assertion. I am not American. And I'm not talking about shoes, hair, dresses and guns. There are many things out there that enrich the SL experience that are unique to a single vendor and not free. They have nothing to do with keeping up with the Jones or showing off. And they make a lot of people happy and enrich their Second Life. Many people who make money here don't do so out of greed either - many do it so support the works they have otherwise done, and to expand them simply because they don't have the means in RL to pay out of pocket to make it happen.
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Siggy Romulus
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04-19-2006 04:30
In my homeland it's traditional to greet a friend with 'Hey Joe ya old cunt! How the fuck are you you silly prick?'
It's also common practice to have nicknames of close friends that include racial slurs and observations on their partentage...
Over here it's considered rude so I refrain.
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Fade Languish
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04-19-2006 04:39
From: Siggy Romulus In my homeland it's traditional to greet a friend with 'Hey Joe ya old cunt! How the fuck are you you silly prick?'
It's also common practice to have nicknames of close friends that include racial slurs and observations on their partentage...
Over here it's considered rude so I refrain. Are you Australian?
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Ranma Tardis
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04-19-2006 04:47
From: Siggy Romulus Your life history - though quaint, has fuck all to do with your assertion. I am not American. And I'm not talking about shoes, hair, dresses and guns. There are many things out there that enrich the SL experience that are unique to a single vendor and not free. They have nothing to do with keeping up with the Jones or showing off. And they make a lot of people happy and enrich their Second Life. Many people who make money here don't do so out of greed either - many do it so support the works they have otherwise done, and to expand them simply because they don't have the means in RL to pay out of pocket to make it happen. Your argument is weak and is proven by your vulgar language. Using such language is a sign of weakness in a argument. I do not have to support peoples hobbies. If they do not have money to play second life then they should not. It is not my job to pay for their games. I pay enough for "premium" membership and tier. What I am saying is that Lindens are not needed to play Second Life. After you get your equipment there is no need since it will never wear out!Anyway most of the clothes look just like all of the other clothes. I have enough "mod" clothing to make any changes myself at no cost to me 
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Fade Languish
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04-19-2006 04:59
From: Ranma Tardis Your argument is weak and is proven by your vulgar language. Using such language is a sign of weakness in a argument. I don't agree with this. I think it's weak to suggest that using profanity diminishes an argument. I can be pretty loose with my language, we're like that that down here in Australia. You've refererred to cultural differences, well there is one. Forums are pretty informal, and some people like to 'colour' their language. It's not a sign of diminished intelligence, more a case of irreverance.
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Tashie Oddfellow
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*snicker*
04-19-2006 05:27
Has to be Aussie - only we can swear in such a loving way!
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cinda Hoodoo
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back to.........
04-19-2006 05:54
I think the Lindens expect that most of us cant focus past a couple weeks on any problem, much less in the same thread ... aussies ??
We have a mind set here, that not only do we get to go to clubs, but get paid to do it...we stopped our contests in ours, and mostly closed it down, as contests dont encourage chatters, just away ppls dancing, waiting for the vote..then scatter to the winds as soon as the games over... I cant imagine WalMart saying, "we've raised our prices and were damn proud of it!" we'd all fall over in a dead faint..so its with entertainment here...weve come to expect to have it free and or even receive a prize for showing up at all... Its all in the mind set i suppose...and will take alot of incredible, imaginative ppls to encourage this new trend, but from what i've seen in SL were full of those, that constantly amaze me...and i think it will happen...but i still dont feel that its right.
LL has along way to go to prove the intergrety of its managment...i am not amused over bending prims(SL tree technology) or pods... maybe they just need some maturity over there and need to hire a real econmist thats over 40, that at least knows whats going on...lord help us, buckle up, its gonna be a bumpy ride...
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Fade Languish
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04-19-2006 06:12
From: cinda Hoodoo I think the Lindens expect that most of us cant focus past a couple weeks on any problem, much less in the same thread ... aussies ?? I apologize if my Australian irreverance towards almost everything lead me to digress from the topic... not.
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Vivianne Draper
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04-19-2006 06:38
Well IF there is an FIC, as Prokvy would have us believe, and IF LL favors the FIC, as, again, Prokvy would have us believe, and IF this FIC is made up mostly of content makers, then Prokvy might be right. Wouldn't that suck for many of you? Certainly it seems so now. Honestly, I'm not seeing how the Spa can make a go of it. But hey! Perse and I can produce content instead of events. We can get rich like the rest of yas. We don't have to do this for the good of Second Life and frankly I think its only a matter of time before Perse says fuckit and stops funding all this stuff out of her own pocket. So if its content and not events that LL wants, well hell thats what they'll get. If, as I've heard so many times in these forums, venue owners and event managers are just some non-skilled lowlifes who don't add value to the world, well we can get out of the venue biz. It boggles the mind that the current content producers would want more competition and less places to show off the fancy item/piece of clothing/body part that are for sale but I guess this is the way y'all want it. Wayfinder, with all due respect, most venues pay musicians. Yes most, if not all, of the musicians donate their time to causes -- the Community Fair, the Katrina effort, etc. But those are cuases and not venues and talking about how what they charge is only 10 dollars in real life money is kind of lame when when its the venue owners who are being asked to fund that 10 dollars AND their tier. In Perse's case its 195 a month I believe. So while that 10 dollars may seem sort of cheap to you, for her its a big deal. Especially when its four musicians (as it will be in May), three hosts, 2 DJs and an event manager -- whom she really needs cause its hard being a venue owner, running the FFRC, and having a full time real life job. If musicians will play for free, or for tips, we'd be happy to book them every night of the week, do the promotion, the legwork, etc etc. But I don't see that happening -- do you? If you do, please point me to all these people willing to work for tips only. Cause all the ones I've met want cash -- cash that's increasingly becoming short in supply to those who fund venues to showcase the arts.
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Siggy Romulus
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04-19-2006 08:58
From: Ranma Tardis Your argument is weak and is proven by your vulgar language. Using such language is a sign of weakness in a argument. I do not have to support peoples hobbies. If they do not have money to play second life then they should not. It is not my job to pay for their games. I pay enough for "premium" membership and tier. What I am saying is that Lindens are not needed to play Second Life. After you get your equipment there is no need since it will never wear out!Anyway most of the clothes look just like all of the other clothes. I have enough "mod" clothing to make any changes myself at no cost to me  I'm not talking about clothes and thats your supposition is a cop out. I thought I said that.. my language may be colorful but that doesn't detract from what I've said. Lindens aren't NEEDED to play second life - by YOU. Others goals are different, and some of that equipment costs lindens... So what your basically saying is that you're able to play by the good grace and good will of others? Also - why do you have a premium account? for land tier - doesn't land cost lindens to buy? There goes that argument too....
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Siggy Romulus
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04-19-2006 08:59
From: Fade Languish Are you Australian? Indeed I am. Born and bred.
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Jopsy Pendragon
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04-19-2006 09:27
From: Fade Languish I don't agree with this. I think it's weak to suggest that using profanity diminishes an argument. I can be pretty loose with my language, we're like that that down here in Australia. You've refererred to cultural differences, well there is one. Forums are pretty informal, and some people like to 'colour' their language. It's not a sign of diminished intelligence, more a case of irreverance. Fade- Keep in mind that being too adaptable can be a sign of lacking integrity... or resolve or whatever it is that makes people do the same thing they've always done expecting the same results when the world around them changes. Not good, or bad, just different I guess. Ranma- To clarify, somewhat. The "so-cal geek" culture that I consider myself part of is notorious for overtipping. We show appreciation for businesses and employees we like in a variety of ways from bringing new customers, by tipping, treating people as real people not mindless wages slaves there to service us. Many of us have been rescued from humble origins by tech jobs and remember working food service or other menial jobs. It's about respect, validation and connecting with other people. It's also about making the day a little better for the people around us. -- Jopsy
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Ranma Tardis
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04-19-2006 10:03
From: Siggy Romulus I'm not talking about clothes and thats your supposition is a cop out. I thought I said that.. my language may be colorful but that doesn't detract from what I've said. Lindens aren't NEEDED to play second life - by YOU. Others goals are different, and some of that equipment costs lindens... So what your basically saying is that you're able to play by the good grace and good will of others? Also - why do you have a premium account? for land tier - doesn't land cost lindens to buy? There goes that argument too.... I am a premium member because own land. I have 1536 sqm of land in the new area. It is located next to my friends land. The are the people I hang out with. I am saying that Lindens are not needed to play Second Life. It is my hobby and this current change will have no effect. Also removing the stipend will have no effect on me at all as well. Also what I am saying is that it is nice to buy objects but it is not a requirement. In real life we need to by food, fuel, electric, taxes, etc. In second life there is not a requirement to spend any lindens at all. If residents stop getting income through the game they will buy less or nothing. Just because the casinos and clubs close does not mean that stores will do more business. Think of it this way, the host/hostess, club owner and anyone who use to recieve money and now recieves less or no money will spend less or no money. This in turn will cause the owner of the affected business to spend less money etc. There is a mulitiplying factor to me taken in account for. I see second life becoming less of a business for residents. People that rent land might notice a decline in business rentals but doubt it. Anshe is one smart lady with her business model! The role players will still be online doing there thing. The Furries, Goreans and others will still want to play. The bottom line is less money being introducted into Sl will mean less money to spend. The value of your Linden will go up but you will also have less Lindens to spend! The only question is how much the value of the Linden will increase vs the amount of fewer Lindens available. You might see a L$200 to $1 but only get 1/2 or less of your current sales. Get the message?
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Ranma Tardis
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04-19-2006 10:14
From: Jopsy Pendragon Ranma- To clarify, somewhat. The "so-cal geek" culture that I consider myself part of is notorious for overtipping. We show appreciation for businesses and employees we like in a variety of ways from bringing new customers, by tipping, treating people as real people not mindless wages slaves there to service us. Many of us have been rescued from humble origins by tech jobs and remember working food service or other menial jobs. It's about respect, validation and connecting with other people. It's also about making the day a little better for the people around us. -- Jopsy Do you think I have been management my whole life? I had to get a job in high school. I had to work all sorts of nasty jobs to make ends meet. We are lucky in Second Life, Tarns and horses don’t need to be feed and don’t leave manure behind that needs to be cleaned up. I just don’t like the "tipping" mentality and all that goes along with it. People expecting to get extra money for doing their normal duties. Next fireman and police will expect something extra to do their jobs as well. I understand your argument and respect it. I just don’t agree with it. The only question is what direction Second Life will take. The only thing for certain in my mind is that Anshe will profit no matter what happens.
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Pix Paz
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04-19-2006 12:00
I'm so looking forward to see how far down the rabbit hole this thread goes...
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Fade Languish
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04-19-2006 12:21
From: Siggy Romulus Indeed I am. Born and bred. I knew it. Only Australians talk to their friends that way. No wonder your posts make me laugh.
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Fade Languish
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04-19-2006 12:25
From: Jopsy Pendragon Fade-
Keep in mind that being too adaptable can be a sign of lacking integrity... or resolve or whatever it is that makes people do the same thing they've always done expecting the same results when the world around them changes. Not good, or bad, just different I guess. Jopsy, I might be being dense cos it's five in the morning here, and I've been building for hours, but could you explain this in a way a sleepy dude can understand? My brain seems to have switched off.
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Ordinal Malaprop
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04-19-2006 12:29
From: Fade Languish I knew it. Only Australians talk to their friends that way. No wonder your posts make me laugh. And Brits. In certain situations, "orright you caaahnt?" is a perfectly reasonable way to great a friend.
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Siobhan Taylor
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04-19-2006 12:32
From: Ordinal Malaprop And Brits. In certain situations, "orright you caaahnt?" is a perfectly reasonable way to great a friend. Maybe it is where you live, but certainly not where I do.
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Fade Languish
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04-19-2006 12:42
From: Ordinal Malaprop And Brits. In certain situations, "orright you caaahnt?" is a perfectly reasonable way to great a friend. So that's my problem. I'm a London-born Aussie.
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Paulismyname Bunin
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04-19-2006 13:00
From: Fade Languish So that's my problem. I'm a London-born Aussie. So do you still need to have a criminal record to go to Australia? - 
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