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Yumi Murakami
DoIt!AttachTheEarOfACat!
Join date: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 6,860
05-26-2006 17:07
From: Asha Riel
I do face it. You don't care to participate in making your own life better by seeing how you fit into the scheme of things.


How would doing this make my own life better?
Dhalia Unsung
confused not conditioned
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 297
05-26-2006 17:08
From: Michi Lumin
Dnel, though it may have been slightly lost in translation, I think it's been fairly well established in this thread at this point that Asha was being sarcastic, and trying to make a point that was counter to the verbatim reading of her first post.



is THAT whats going on? Honestly I have been completely lost...

we should have that /sarcasm button located handy. Coulda saved me a lot of typing here...
Asha Riel
Registered User
Join date: 26 May 2006
Posts: 49
05-26-2006 17:12
From: Yumi Murakami
How would doing this make my own life better?
If you want people to offer you something you value for some value from yourself you encourage people to offer the best of what they have. Though it is hardly a panacea for the problems of an economy, it does help. Being an active, educated and concerned consumer you do indeed have sway on the market, and that is improving your own life.
Sandy Barnett
Registered User
Join date: 19 May 2006
Posts: 65
A breath of fresh air
05-26-2006 17:14
Sometimes a lack of time and effort invested listening to someone to try and understand what they are saying can also be considered a cause of "evil". "Evil" in this case simply meaning a cause of disruption...time and energy that becomes wasted spent on nothing that is productive or brings a positive result in general.

I too must admit that I did not understand this topic at the start, and I can see why things began as they did. However, after spending time to read through the posts, to the point of becoming confused as many others had....but pushing forward anyway...I came to the same conclusion posted by Michi Lumin.

The original context was one of sarcasm. Communication is not an easy thing to do, it takes effort and even simply words can be misunderstood. Consider all of the arguments that take place in the courts each and every day across many nations in the world over the "meanings" of single words... I quote former US President Bill Clinton "It all depends on what your definition of "is" is".

Is Second Life a game? Sure it is...if you want it to be a game. Is Second Life "real" sure it is. The freedom to make of it what you will is what allows for it to be very interesting. If you choose to do nothing but walk around and enjoy the scenery...you are free to do so. If you wish to be creative and find a way to add something special to the community, you are able to do so. You may ask for compensation from those who wish to use what you have created, or you may provide it willingly and free of charge to the community.

There is not anyone who is forcing someone to create things in Second Life that I know of. Neither is anyone forcing anyone to purchase things either. (Except Linden Labs, and that is simply the cost of access). If a resident chooses to buy something that they do not really need, they should not complain that the cost is too high. If they buy something that they felt they really wanted, then it would seem they felt it was worth the price. If someone creates something with the intention of selling it, and no one is willing to pay for it...they should not complain either. They are no guarantees that anyones product is purchased. Sometimes an idea is not yet ready for the marketplace.

I am still quite new to this, however, I know that no one has forced me to buy anything. In fact, even Linden Labs did not force me to buy into this opportunity. I made a free choice to do so. I feel that I do not need incredible works of art (skin, clothing, land, scripted cars, etc) at the moment. No one will force me to buy them. However, at some point, I most likely will choose to purchase something. If I happen to buy something that I do not really need....well...that is my own fault, and I do that sometimes in my First Life as well, and it upsets me that I made a mistake, but I do not blame the seller for my mistake.

All of us are in the same community. We are all on the same side. The same team. We are all here because there is something that we see here. Opportunity to see art, to see technology, too play a game, or even to make money. We do not always need to agree...

I think that everyone here that has posted has contributed something of value. In terms of the time spent reading the posts, thinking of an idea of what to say, and adding to the discussion in general. I want to thank everyone for having done so. It has helped me to further understand this evolving community...

Also, we should always remember...if at anytime the stress becomes too high, we are not comfortable or no longer agree with the society and its systems any longer...We are all free to leave at any time.

(Now, if you read through all of that...I know that you are willing to invest time for the purpose of better understanding and communication in this world) <laughing>

Take care !
Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 7,939
05-26-2006 17:27
I agree. Capitalism is bad. Stop to sell babies in boxes!
Dhalia Unsung
confused not conditioned
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 297
05-26-2006 17:29
From: Eggy Lippmann
I agree. Capitalism is bad. Stop to sell babies in boxes!



What? Only a socialist would advocate selling babies in spheres!
SpankMe Pinkerton
Registered User
Join date: 13 Feb 2005
Posts: 158
05-26-2006 17:32
I'm a bit confused by this post. But as a programmer I would say the earlier comment that creating things in this game takes no skill and thus does not warrant reasonable compensation is rather silly and makes me raise an eyebrow. I make very complex items some of which are thousands or tens of thousands of lines of script. I do in part make them for the enjoyment of others. I do in part make them because its fun and intellectually stimulating. But, I do in part also expect reasonable compensation for objects as complex as a dance floor that even has its own programming language built in or a landbot that can terraform an entire plot with one command. Do you think that because these things are ethereal those that created them should not expect to make a reasonable profit? At least this is contributing to the community... unlike many other ways some people make money in SL (perhaps a topic for a different thread lol.) Not that I'm really sure about the main point of this thread. I just felt like venting on that issue because it’s close to heart.
Nepenthes Ixchel
Broadly Offended.
Join date: 6 Dec 2005
Posts: 696
05-26-2006 17:33
From: Asha Riel


!خدا حافظ


Can anyone read Arabic? I think that says "I'm a trolling alt" but I might be wrong.

[edit]well, it shows fine when I go to edit mode but looks like boxes once the post is made. It's visible in the very first post in the thread though.
Sandy Barnett
Registered User
Join date: 19 May 2006
Posts: 65
05-26-2006 17:50
From: Ranma Tardis
In exchange for our money we were promised 3 things. The ability to own land, 512sq meters of land before paying tier and L$500 a week as spending money. Of course they never said that the money was made out of nothing. My only problem with taking away stipends is that we paid for them.



This is a quote from a posting by Robin Linden 05/25/2006, 11:48 PM

She says that : " As you know we have been reducing the amount of L$ being put into the currency pool as one way of managing the Second Life economy. ... effective Monday May 29, we will no longer offer a L$50 weekly stiped to NEW basic account holders.

Existing basic account holders will continue to receive their L$ 50 stipend on the weeks they log in. Premium account holders, both new and existing, will be unaffected".

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So....if you are currently a BASIC member and you have never paid Linden Labs anything, you will STILL recieve your L$50 weekly stipend, just as they said. Only NEW BASIC members will no longer be provided with that stipend. Both NEW and CURRENT Premium account holders will not be affected. So...This means that anyone who has paid Linden Labs for a Premium account is not having their weekly stipend "cancelled, or removed". The current change only regards NEW basic members.
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